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If you don't understand the devalue talk, how is Xbox hardware sales going?I don't understand the devalue talk either when at the same time console fans say its a good thing because its some trojan horse shit.
If you don't understand the devalue talk, how is Xbox hardware sales going?I don't understand the devalue talk either when at the same time console fans say its a good thing because its some trojan horse shit.
If you don't understand the devalue talk, how is Xbox hardware sales going?
Because it's relevant, whether you want to accept it or not.
It's a hassle explaining things to you guys, when you are bringing this point nonstop.
At this stage, waiting 2 years is meaningless, if this list continues to grow.Because it's relevant, whether you want to accept it or not.
How well do you expect Series to continue selling now that their games are going to Playstation and Nintendo as well?
Should've used the search function sooner, because this was you last year:
It's a hassle explaining things to you guys, when you are bringing this point nonstop.
Xbox lost it's meaning once they did PC day1.
You do the same for PS and it will lose the reason to own PS.
At this stage, waiting 2 years is meaningless, if this list continues to grow.
Because this list should make Sony PS irrelevent in the long term according to your logic.
Sales people are crazy. I appreciate the effort sony is taking putting their games on steam.People forget that even Helldivers 1 launched on PC just 6 months after PS4 in 2015. Helldivers 2 isn't some new discovery they're making a decade later. It was always a multiplatform strategy with these type of games even if people want to frame it as one or try and push a narrative that you can’t find success without PC releases.
It matters a lot.
Sony relied on Activision games to sell their consoles. They even had PS5 logo on the COD marketing on some billboards.
Losing that would affect with how you market the PS5 and future ps consoles. They will now have to look for other marketing games.
Consoles are now excutive toys. The passion excutives are not there anymore. Its just $$$$$.
PC stands for Private communism. We value the idea of sharing your belongings to everyone.Then what is PC gaming?
Sure but they also eat single player games for breakfast see Steams sales history for the last 4 years. Sony games don't do well because they launch late unlike all of those successful games all of which launch simultaneously on PC & consoles.is that is a community driven co-op game. The PC crown eats that shit like there is no tomorrow.
That's bullshit PC is one of the biggest platforms for single player story games see: Resident Evil 2, 3, Village, The Witcher 3, Cyberpunk and the Cyberpunk expansion which sold more on PC than PS, Hogwarts Legacy which still often shows up on Steam top seller, Baldurs Gate 3 which broke records on Steam before it even launched on any other platform. Elden Ring sold massively on Steam and that's a primarily single player game, Mount & Blade 2 sold incredibly well (10+mil sales), Starfield despite being on PC Gamepass and Xbox as well as Xbox Gamepass sold really well on Steam.It doesn't matter that it wasn't a day 1 release.
You think GTA6 isn't going to do huge numbers on PC just because it's not a day 1 release? It happens to be another big GaaS type title.
The single player, story driven games just aren't popular on PC. And that's Sony first party's bread and butter. All these PC ports are simply not moving the needle, and they are compromising the prestige of the Playstation brand in the process. It's totally shortsighted at this point.
That's like only $10M dollars. HFW brought in hundreds of millions on PS5.
$10M is absolutely a massive bomb. And these are the types of games Sony is releasing on PC. And there's maybe only 1-2 of them per year for Sony now that their back catalogue is completely on PC.
It's not a winning strategy for them.
Sure but they also eat single player games for breakfast see Steams sales history for the last 4 years. Sony games don't do well because they launch late unlike all of those successful games all of which launch simultaneously on PC & consoles.
GTA is literally too big to matter they could launch GTA6 in 2033 and it would still sell. GTA is on the level of Minecraft or Roblox on PC/Consoles they are outliers, Minecraft and GTA5 could launch on PS6 in 2030 and they'd still sell a ton of units. As for why does it matter?Why does launching late matter?
Are you not going to play a game just because it launches late?
So GTA6 on PC is going to be a flop?
It doesn't matter though, what other publishers do irt releasedates.Sure but they also eat single player games for breakfast see Steams sales history for the last 4 years. Sony games don't do well because they launch late unlike all of those successful games all of which launch simultaneously on PC & consoles.
You're right that it's not 1 to 1 but this is the same argument people made for 40 years now as to why a console platform holder shouldn't put their games on other platforms. Eventually Xbox did it and then Sony followed suit. What I'm saying is that the rules of the game aren't static you can't count on what worked in the past being what'll work in the future. In 2016 nobody would have guessed that Sony was putting their flagship games on PC. In march 2020 when Horizon was announced on PC nobody would have guessed that Sony would ever put **any game** day 1 on PC. Yet now we have Helldivers 2. Times change, no one can say what Sony will do in the future.It doesn't matter though, what other publishers do irt releasedates.
Playstation is a platformholder and market-leader by far in the console-market.
They're not 1:1 comparable to publishers like EA or Ubisoft.
Consoles are the core of their business and they cannot follow Xbox in going day 1 on PC for all games and ultimately lose marketshare for their core business.
The only one that did, was MS, because they were kinda forced as they were going to lose a lot of marketshare anyway.
Xbox and Playstation also can't be compared.You're right that it's not 1 to 1 but this is the same argument people made for 40 years now as to why a console platform holder shouldn't put their games on other platforms. Eventually Xbox did it and then Sony followed suit. What I'm saying is that the rules of the game aren't static you can't count on what worked in the past being what'll work in the future. In 2016 nobody would have guessed that Sony was putting their flagship games on PC. In march 2020 when Horizon was announced on PC nobody would have guessed that Sony would ever put **any game** day 1 on PC. Yet now we have Helldivers 2. Times change, no one can say what Sony will do in the future.
What downfall? There has been no major drop in player count.Pc is the downfall of the game now. The irony.
What downfall? There has been no major drop in player count.
For now. Wait until June and let's see how it will change.
I actually know exactly what is going to happen in June:For now. Wait until June and let's see how it will change.
Correct. I am not wrong on that part. Us old farts would not spend on all 3 systems, if one device has their games.Should've used the search function sooner, because this was you last year:
PC has other purposes, console don't. Gaming is just tiny part of PCThen what is PC gaming?
PC has other purposes, console don't. Gaming is just tiny part of PC
How did you gain 30 years in just 7 months?Correct. I am not wrong on that part. Us old farts would not spend on all 3 systems, if one device has their games.
However, there are new audience to gaming every gen. People who leave will get replaced by new audience. Like kids who turned 16+.
I don't even think you truly believe that yourself.Correct. I am not wrong on that part. Us old farts would not spend on all 3 systems, if one device has their games.
However, there are new audience to gaming every gen. People who leave will get replaced by new audience. Like kids who turned 16+.
How did you gain 30 years in just 7 months?
You will see yourself in 3 years time.I don't even think you truly believe that yourself.
This is the real problem. My little siblings don't want to play on consoles at all. They are all busy on their tablets.The younger generation is doing most of that stuff on mobile, the problem is they are doing gaming on mobile as. well.
This is the real problem. My little siblings don't want to play on consoles at all. They are all busy on their tablets.
See what? Xbox making a comeback?You will see yourself in 3 years time.
You're just proving my point, folks absolutely did compare Xbox to Playstation in the 2005-2013 era. But guess what now you don't, you wanna know what changed? The times.Xbox and Playstation also can't be compared.
Playstation is market-leader, Xbox is dead last.
That's like comparing Usaine Bolt to some champion from the Paralympics.
Microsoft will have way more revenue, profit (or less loses) and game sales being full multiplatform, even if their console dies.Because it's relevant, whether you want to accept it or not.
How well do you expect Series to continue selling now that their games are going to Playstation and Nintendo as well?
For now. Wait until June and let's see how it will change.
If you don't understand the devalue talk, how is Xbox hardware sales going?
This is the real problem. My little siblings don't want to play on consoles at all. They are all busy on their tablets.
Maybe you are adopted.
That ship sanked down long time ago. There is no saving for them, if MS doesnt give a crap about them.See what? Xbox making a comeback?
PC is slowly becoming useless for these tasks. Everything is mobile/tablet these days.Well they don't go for pc either. They do all their homework also on tablets. Old folks will have to settle with this in the future.
Microsoft will have way more revenue, profit (or less loses) and game sales being full multiplatform, even if their console dies.
Sony has been releasing PC ports for years. Their console active userbase is at all time records level and growing. Their console game sales keep improving and reaching new records of revenue. Their first party games too. And the sequels of the first party games ported to PC too, even break all time fastest selling records for any Sony exclusive.
Steam players are reportedly refunding this game in the millions. Sony is loosing more and more players and sales to pc and switch but everything is fine.
Except there’s no list for “greatest trajectory of all time”. Whatever that even means.Nope. 1st.
3 months on the market, no price cuts, blazing past 10+ year old titles left and right. It's trajectory is peerless.
Hardware is a loss sale for them.They missed their target for hardware, falling back behind the ps4 again this upcoming year because they expect decline in hardware mid generation with the rumored ps5 pro coming up, which never happened before. Steam players are reportedly refunding this game in the millions. Sony is loosing more and more players and sales to pc and switch but everything is fine.
Hardware is a loss sale for them.
The revenue is higher with game sales due to MTX and other garbage monitization. You can sell less and make more money in the process if you add too much mtx. Its why MS stopped caring about Xbox hardware. They know they will make more money with live service games and software sales on other platforms. Subs is even bringing more money to them.
We are thinking too much about hardware sales.
isnt steam refund 2 hours?Where is this "report" that "millions" are refunding the game?
Meanwhile....
isnt steam refund 2 hours?
Geez, uncle Gabe cares about us too much.Yes, but Valve seems to be making an exception in the case of Helldivers 2. I've seen nothing suggesting the number of refunds are in the millions though.
Geez, uncle Gabe cares about us too much.