Loss of trust means right wing lib dems wouldn't know what they'd support in a Lab coalition.
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Loss of trust means right wing lib dems wouldn't know what they'd support in a Lab coalition.
CharmingCharlie
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Erm perhaps I am wrong here but from what I understand local councils get a grant from the government (as well as raising money via the council tax). If the Government reduces the size of that grant (which I believe they are doing) then the council has to reduce the services it can provide. So yeah I would say the government can force council cuts and are doing so. It should also be noted that the councils are very restricted in how much they can raise the council tax too which is another way the Government can force them to cut services.
As for the Tory Voter being victimised, I mean this is a serious thing ? Shall we ignore the "looney left" insults and ignore the 5 or more years where the poor and disadvantaged in society have been painted by the Tory press as feckless, scum, scroungers, work shy, lazy and barely even human. If you think as a Tory voter you are being victimised because someone unfriended you on facebook then really I don't have any words to convince you otherwise. The left and many others in socity haven't just been "victimised" they have been literaly "demonised" by the right.
i don't think the wealth creators stuff was a problem really, all milibands proposals about the rich polled well iirc. the country is center-right but it doesn't worship the rich.
miliband just wasn't 'aspirational' though, to use another right wing buzzword in that article, he was all about minor improvements to people lives and fairness which are nice, but he couldn't sell them an exciting narrative about the future.
that's a genuine problem and the void of which allowed cameron to exploit uncertainty over influence of snp narrow nationalism in england, miliband as leader and lingering beliefs that labour can't be trusted on economy to win a majority.
PJV3
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FFA would make it easier.
They would just need agreement on UK policy.
They won't square the south east and Scotland for a long time.
Guileless
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"Challenge" is in the eye of the beholder. People object to being reviled as evil for the views they hold. This shouldn't be surprising based on how the concept of morality has evolved in Western societies. You can get an instant banning for that line of thinking applied to some subjects. "But this is different" you might say. OK, it is for you. But not for everyone.
SymbiantXenos
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Just joined the labour party.
They could but probably not the next election or the one after. It would take years of winning people to the left and changing the collective consciousness. Only way is if the Tories go extremely harsh on certain groups.
PJV3
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You will be choosing the next leader, don't fuck it up.
SymbiantXenos
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Pressures on.
MatrixMan.EXE
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It was only until I saw the map of the country with all the respective results of the night colour coded that I realised how much the Tories cleaned up here in the South, I mean wow. I expected them to win the seat of my constituency (Bexley & Bromley), but, fuck.
Probably been discussed already, but I'm pretty confident that they've secured their spot in Westminster until 2025.
Probably been discussed already, but I'm pretty confident that they've secured their spot in Westminster until 2025.
Missed the ifs report stating that we are at pre crash levels then?
Did he join a union?
PJV3
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I'm thinking about it but I'm worried they're about to make a move towards a position that doesn't really represent me.
Might just join and then if it looks like a bad idea later on join the Greens or something. Or maybe even the Lib Dems; I probably prefer them to Labour, it was only their support of a Comservative govt that made them unvotable for me, and I doubt they'll be doing that again anytime soon after Thursday.
At this rate he could be their next leader. The party's a mess.
http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/we-s...ers-about-how-theyre-feeling-this-morning-672
Much arm flapping from people working in the NHS. Someone should go and tell them that everything is fine and nothing will change.
Much arm flapping from people working in the NHS. Someone should go and tell them that everything is fine and nothing will change.
PJV3
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The Libdem's have a bigger identity crisis than Labour at the moment. They don't know what they are doing.
Elements of the party hate the left and unions, and they lost a lot of the SDP crowd.
I'd wait to see what they decide they stand for when the flapping stops.
SymbiantXenos
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Poor old beans should dust themselves down and stiffen that upper lip.
We're all in it together.
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Join the Jarvis-wagon!
PJV3
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Is he good?
D
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I mean, if you join them you have the capacity to influence which they move.
Miles Quaritch
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How it begins. Start with the little known or talked about areas and then slowly spread the same strategy out to other, more widely used areas and claim it's under the guise of reliving stress when what you're really doing is quietly introducing ever increasing privatisation.
RobotNinjaHornets
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And I just joined the Greens.
Seems a good idea given A) I'm the only place where it will directly effect me and B) they're who I voted for and the more support the better
SymbiantXenos
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He's a bit tricky to pin down ideologically. He's a member of Progress which by all rights should make him the among the more right of Labour MPs, but that's not what his voting record shows. He's big on the 'aspirational' aspect and was a Burnham protege, but I think he'd give the Conservatives a hell of a fight. He's an excellent speaker and it's hard to represent a man awarded military honours for bravery as weak.
PJV3
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Thatcher tried that with Tony Benn, not knowing he served in the RAF during WW2 and he had a really violent dislike of NAZIs.
I haven't really heard of him before, I'm keeping an open mind for now. I'm gonna rejoin later today.
That link was discussed a few pages back, can't be bothered with it again.
For clarity, are suggesting that the private sector provides no services at all and that the NHS should keep abrest of the hundreds of thousands of new advancements and specialist services in every aspect of medicine?
you are right, but what I meant is they are not told what services to cut, local councils choose what services to cut, and will often use the cuts as a excuse, you should look at what your local council spends it money on, you would be amazed!
for example our local council who justified cutting services because of cuts were found to of spent 26 million on buying themselves out of a contract that they signed before building permission was giving...
have a look at your local council and you will see the wastage is eye opening
I never heard of him until now, and I was leaning towards Burnham becoming the next Labour leader, but having done a little research into him he seems to tick many of the boxes that I feel the next Labour leader needs.
Anyway, after Labour's disastrous performance in the GE, I am now going to join the Labour party so I at least have a tiny say in the direction the party will be going next.
https://www.jacobinmag.com/2015/05/labour-miliband-conservatives-british-elections/
Glad to read I'm not the only one.
Glad to read I'm not the only one.
Having worked on numerous schools getting built over the past 15 years it has been amazing to see how insanely over specced they tended to be. The sheer money that was wasted on completely frivolous stuff was mind blowing. Designer chairs, statues, water falls, health spas, relaxation rooms, state of the art air conditioning systems, elaborate building designs that require expensive materials and techniques to achieve the list was endless. I'm not sure what they were thinking.
The architects must have creamed in every manufacturer rebate deal they had.
PJV3
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He wasn't joking about the military stuff, having read his Wikipedia page. And good to see his stance on the nhs.
The state of affairs in England makes it a tricky pick. Scotland staying SNP isn't a disaster if labour can progress south of the border.
As I said he's unfuckable by the press.
Psycho_Mantis
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Is this meant to be a serious article.....if so lol
Whatever makes you feel better brah
If you look a few pages back you will see a link I posted about him. The dude is damn hard working and has the respect of everyone in the House, even the tories.
Powerful & compelling arguments.
Which will be interesting considering the BNP made gains in councils a couple of elections ago but lost them because they were fucking useless.
Yep the next two years are going to be a Euro sceptic bloodbath for Cameron. The "Awkward squad" will give him loads of shit. Think of it like this, he no longer has a big-ish majority. In fact his position is actually weaker now than before as he's beholden to the right wing arm of the party.
It smells of John Major syndrome. He had to constantly rely on Ulster Unionists to push things through and Cameron has even less numbers than he did. He is not going to have it easy and the tories could tear themselves apart just like before.
They have a majority of their own rather than needing the LibDems. But that majority is smaller than it was with the Lib Dems in bed with them.
The Lib Dems in part were just happy to be playing at the top table again so couldn't rock the boat too far, but were at least able to make some small changes in return for having to let the Tories win most of the time.
This time there is nobody but nobody who will feel a need to support the Tories to keep them sweet for the next 5 years.
A tiny amount of unrest in the cheap seats and they'll not be able to get things through as everyone else will be against it.
Psycho_Mantis
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how can anyone dispute against such a legitimate article xD
How dare you call him out, how dare you disagree with him and call out his ignorance!
The Incarnation
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Mainly to keep Labour out, and form another coalition with the Tories.
I think they over did it, just a wee bit.
Are you disputing that these are actual healthcare workers or the opinions/experiences of these workers?
CharmingCharlie
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Of course cuts are decided at a local level after all the local council is more likely to understand the needs of their community. But the cuts are still being forced on the community by the Government.
Now here is the thing you could look at a list of council services and cut half of those because you consider them "wastage" or "non-essential". I could then look at the list you have finished with and probably find even more "wastage" or "non-essential" services. Between us by the time we are finished there would probably be sweet fuck all council services left and everyone would get a big council tax refund, initially cheer about the windfall then bitch when the essential service they need no longer exists because we decided it was just wastage.
I am not saying there isn't wastage or "efficiencies" that can be achieved because to say there isn't is moronic. However the cuts being forced on councils are so extreme and so huge that even if they eliminated all wastage they would still have to cut into essential services because of the severity of the cuts.
I do get what you are saying, especially in relation to councils making mistakes and costing millions. I live in Sheffield and we are still living with the legacy of the fucking pointless student games. But mistakes happen even the National Government is prone to wasting hundreds of millions on stupid mistakes (am I right there Iain Duncan Smith ?)
travisbickle
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Austerity measures have been enacted all across Europe in an attempt to appease markets, and George Osbourne is going to continue his cuts into a second term. To a lot of people it seems voters have decided that keeping the economy happy is paramount and they are willing to sacrifice the welfare of the vulnerable to do it.
Someone needs to explain otherwise if this is not correct?
PJV3
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It's a possibility.
They scored big on a coalition with the Libdem's, does the right of the party assume too much and push too far.
Europe could turn messy, if Cameron says vote yes without a good deal the right will claim he's trying to fix the result.
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