The stupidiest part about this is that children in poor families would greatly be affected by the dairy tax. You could expect a comeback of rickets and generally weaker bones.
You know there are other sources of calcium, right?
The stupidiest part about this is that children in poor families would greatly be affected by the dairy tax. You could expect a comeback of rickets and generally weaker bones.
are vegans allowed to eat bugs?
Meat and dairy is high-quality food and a vital source of nutrients. You shouldn't tax that.
Your mistake is assuming we need a valid reason to oppose this.
I like meat and dairy. I don't want them to be more expensive. I don't like this idea. I will oppose it were someone over here foolish enough to attempt to propose it.
That's all the validity I need.
Yet highly guarded worldviews will say no. Even from level-headed people in this thread.It would basically price most meats out of many households, but after reading a line like this
its hard to say no to such a measure.
Yet highly guarded worldviews will say no. Even from level-headed people in this thread.
So basically your whims are more important than the massive impact they have on the planet.
You made absolutely zero difference by doing that.
To me they are. Obviously not to the rest of the planet, but most of the rest of the planet doesn't care about me so why should I care about them?
These feel-good posts about conscious consumerism (ie voting with your dollar) for climate change kinda ignore fact that it doesn't really do anything rather than stealth brag privilege + elitism.
You need to get more involved than just doing that.
To me they are. Obviously not to the rest of the planet, but most of the rest of the planet doesn't care about me so why should I care about them?
This is another thing. Consumers can't do shit about climate change. It's corporations and governments that are doing the polluting.
We can talk about these types of taxes, once we address issues regarding things like food deserts. It's not simple or easy to adjust eating habits we've had so long and taxings those who don't have the means or education to change rapidly isn't the way to do it.
I live in the city and grocery stores are hard to come by that are close. In rural areas you didn't have much choice. We neee to address this.
Those are actually pretty fine. Chicken in particular has a co2 footprint that's as low as many vegetarian options.
You should minimise the pork for health reasons, though. All red meat is fairly carcinogenic. Bacon and sausages in particular, I'm afraid.
And so thought the majority of humans on the planet
And so, decades later, countless numbers of their descendants died due to this stubborn short-term pleasure seeking after climate change, superbugs which developed thanks to animal farming, the collapse of huge food-chain ecologies thanks to human influence, etc.
You act matters.
If the majority of the population thinks it, then why change? I go to the effort of changing my lifestyle, go without a bunch of stuff I enjoy, a majority never does and we still all die. Except I die unhappier than if I hadn't given up the stuff I like.
I feel like charts like these are slightly misleading in that they focus solely on the meat/food production of the animals in question. For instance, for cows it focuses purely on the meat and milk, ignoring the leather, bone and other uses that each carcass gets. It also focuses solely on the HUMAN consumption of the animals, ignoring parts that are consumed by other creatures (e.g.: dog food uses).
Armour makes hot dogs, but they also supply Thyroid medication for people (such as my mother, sister or coworkers) whose thyroid function is either reduced or even completely gone.
Basically if you look solely at human consumption, sure those numbers are bad, but they also ignore all the other things that utilize the animal in question. It's like the whole "x gallons of water for 1 pound of meat vs vegetables" argument. Sure, it takes more water for a pound of meat than a pound of broccoli, but you get more than just meat from a cow or pig.
Also the US should switch from cows to buffalo, but that's a whole other argument.
Maybe not to you, but to me, this tax is insane and should be fought.
For what?Dont tax Dairy. I need dairy.
Lol yes... lets pass more regressive taxes that disproportionally affect the poor. Sounds like a plan.
Unfortunately this would cripple poor families. You'll have to find a way to reduce meat consumption without risking nutritional deficiencies that milk and meat are able to cheaply provide.
It abso-fucking-lutely hurts the poor. All food taxes do. You still think it's worth it, that's fine, but let's not pretend a meat tax won't have any downside.Not a valid reason to oppose this. It's not a necessity for you. It doesn't hurt the poor since most quality meat is quite pricy anyways. Unless you're talking about that Hamburger from McDonalds
The article is fucking bullshit when it states that animal agriculture contributes more than transportation. At best it contributes half as much forcing than transoprtation, and that's taking the low end for transportation and high end fore meat production.These articles are from 2015 and 2016? I'm also... not sure about this claim. The articles even contradict themselves on this. (Graph is from the EPA)
Interesting that farming internationally would be so much more wasteful than the US. Synthetic beef will hopefully pick up the slack, eventually... If you can convince people to eat it. The next time someone starts to talk about "cow farts" as a source for global warming, do mention that there is plenty of pollution from agriculture already without needing to make jokes of it.
This is true as well. The total of agriculture AGW forcing is higher than just meat production, particularly worldwide because of bring of rainforests in Indonesia and elsewhere.Not really a contradiction there - US vs Worldwide. Remember a lot of Amazon rainforest has been burned for livestock (and soy). For something like Cattle you need a lot of water, and a lot of feed. A lot of resources goes into that feed.
As for a tax - a carbon tax has long been pitched, as it would be the most fair to the most industries and would provide a consistent, predictable cost. Taxing individual things leads to playing favorites.
Go ahead and explain how a steak (probably like £3-4 over here) or w/e is cheaper than a sweet potato, some brown rice, some broccoli and a beetroot (like £2.50 at a stretch)
How???
We've been vegan for about 8 months and have cut costs drastically!
These feel-good posts about conscious consumerism (ie voting with your dollar) for climate change kinda ignore fact that it doesn't really do anything rather than stealth brag privilege + elitism.
You need to get more involved than just doing that.
The fact is that for most the tax is not going to change their eating habits. If the tax is substantial enough to FORCE people to stop eating animal products then we just have a situation where animal products are a luxury for the wealthy, further expanding the gap between the rich and poor in our society.
Unfortunately this would cripple poor families. You'll have to find a way to reduce meat consumption without risking nutritional deficiencies that milk and meat are able to cheaply provide.
You're missing the supply side of this equation -- taxes and subsidies on corporate behaviours create incentives for companies to do things. If a product has a tax on its production because it produces a negative externality, companies have an incentive to either not produce that thing, diversify, or learn to produce that thing with less of the negative externality. Looking at business just from a demand side is missing the forest for the trees.
The fact is that for most the tax is not going to change their eating habits. If the tax is substantial enough to FORCE people to stop eating animal products then we just have a situation where animal products are a luxury for the wealthy, further expanding the gap between the rich and poor in our society.
Then do it with tax breaks or incentives for healthy foods, not taxes that punch poor people in the groin in the name of liberal utopia.
Anyone who has been to a Wal-Mart knows this is wrong. In a pure standpoint where everything is made from scratch, sure. But comparing quick and easy meals that include meat and are less healthy with those that are absent meat and are healty, the price difference is stark and meat is easily cheaper.Nope wrong. Leafy Greens and Legumes, Starches/Grains more than make up the nutrition content plus benefit of being vastly cheaper, less caloric, and better for the body.
"The liberal utopia" = a world with reduced effects of global warming. Yeah. Sure. OK.
Then do it with tax breaks or incentives for healthy foods, not taxes that punch poor people in the groin in the name of liberal utopia.
Anyone who has been to a Wal-Mart knows this is wrong. In a pure standpoint where everything is made from scratch, sure. But comparing quick and easy meals that include meat and are less healthy with those that are absent meat and are healty, the price difference is stark and meat is easily cheaper.
If everyone had the ability of an hour to prepare a meal each night it may be cheaper to not have meat, but the fact is many poor don't have that luxury.
Good luck getting any kind of agreement on what healthy foods are.
Again, that's not something many poor people, those who are living paycheck to paycheck, can do. Increasing the price on meat is going to fuck them.You talking about difference in pre-packaged processed and name branded foods. I'm talking about whole foods. Especially when bought in bulk and consumed over time.
raising the price of beef by 40 percent would lead to a 13 percent decrease in consumption.
If only we could make a consumption tax a progressive tax.
Orwellian system of entering your SSN in order to purchase meat/dairy products.
Meat and dairy sales have to be regulated through well equiped sellers or farmers markets have to start carrying swipe card systems and follow regulations for using the SSN system.
Adds on to your tax at the end of the year.
W-4s now have a witholding field for dairy and meat consumption.
Or let people track it themselves like normal taxes.
Everyone starts claiming to be vegan and gets audited on their veganism.
Sales of black market beef and chicken.
Like that comic Chew.