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Media Create Sales 11/19 - 11/25 2007
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Cheesemeister
Member
Well, that's 1. How's that stacking up against the predictions? :lol
Oh, and this represents everything that will go wrong with our hobby this generation.
Oh, and this represents everything that will go wrong with our hobby this generation.
slaughterking
Member
No, the first day sales are pretty great and can easily lead to a ~400k first week. Which would be about 60% of the shipment.Error said:
I'm actually more glad this game won't suffer from shortages like so many great (and not sooo great) games on Nintendo platforms did, than I'm worried about a possible overshipment.
The WiiFit box is large but thin (about 3 DVD box thick). And it is heavier than Wii too (4.5kg incl. box)
Since we already know that RE4 Wii passed 100k even if it didn't chart on Top 30 for a long time (Denki number 134k last week), we may see some titles with much higher sales in year-end Top100/300/500. But still, it is nowhere to compare with PS2 third-party sales in 1st year. Let's see what NiGHTs 2, Chocobo and We Love Golf can do this Christmas.
If Layton 2 sold 200k on 1st day, I wonder if their initial shipment can last for 2007... It will definitely join the "non-game" club in early 2008.
Since we already know that RE4 Wii passed 100k even if it didn't chart on Top 30 for a long time (Denki number 134k last week), we may see some titles with much higher sales in year-end Top100/300/500. But still, it is nowhere to compare with PS2 third-party sales in 1st year. Let's see what NiGHTs 2, Chocobo and We Love Golf can do this Christmas.
If Layton 2 sold 200k on 1st day, I wonder if their initial shipment can last for 2007... It will definitely join the "non-game" club in early 2008.
spwolf said:
I think it also has a lot to do with the quality of the releases and how dependent one company is on third parties. Nintendo had to make software that sold the Wii, naturally they get the bigger pie of the software sales because third parties were banking on the PS3 and this was the same with the PS2. Its a lot easier to get big franchise third party support if your system was very popular the generation before it. With the Wii, it was basically Nintendo's job to make it popular. They did there job, now its time for third parties to enter the scene and build up a bigger momentum.
D.Lo
Member
Maybe not, but who's going to be happier, BandaiNamco and Sega with their mega-budget (relative) flops Gundam Musou, Ridge Racer 7 and Virtua Fighter 5, or Capcom and BandaiNamco with the higher then PS3 game sales of PS2 and GameCube ports on Wii (RE4, Dragon Ball Z etc)?schuelma said:
When the Wii starts getting exclusive sequels to PS2 franchises that weren't already released on PS2 or come out at the same time, then we'll see what it can really do.
GameCube has a bigger attach rate then PS2 worldwide, so therefore it won last gen and got all the support!tanod said:
Yeah exactly, the only problem is that there is another new 3rd party monster the Wii has to compete with, the DS.dyls said:
Um, no it's not. What the hell do you think keeps them in business? This silly notion that an attach rate is some be-all-end-all method third-party companies use to decide to what platform they support most needs to end now. They do not care about how much hardware any company can get out there if they do not make their money back in the end, when moving forward they do not look at any single piece of data and decide to put all their money into that one bet, that would be idiotic. The attach rate is one of the last things these companies look at from a business perspective, if they can make more money elsewhere that's obviously where most of their support will go.tanod said:
If Microsoft sold 10 360s and Capcom sold 9 copies of Lost Planet 2 on the 360 while Sony sold 100 PS3s and Capcom sold 50 copies of Lost Planet 2 on PS3 would they support Microsoft's console more than Sony's console? I mean obviously a 90% attach rate is much higher than a 50% attach rate, right?
D.Lo
Member
Oh yeah, one more thing for you. From Dalthien's PS3/Wii/360 sales thread:tanod said:
Wii Software sales total = 9,625,855
PS3 software sales total = 2,251,867
Wii Tie Ratio = 2.55
PS3 Tie Ratio = 1.73
JoshuaJSlone
Member
Using the Famitsu hardware and software data we have through week 52, its tie ratio at the time was around 2.28. Incomplete, yes, but so are PS3/Wii's software data now.reilo said:
And of course it is mentionable that 0.46 of Wii's tie ratio is thanks to Wii Play, so if that gets aborted Wii is left with 2.09.
So there's partial PS1 data out there that is problematic for the following reasons:
1) Only 'Points' are actually given, and sales are assumed to be a constant ratio of those points.
2) It starts the week after the PS1 launches and goes for only 6 weeks before having an 8 month gap in data.
3) LTDs are not given, so only a summation of the weekly sales is possible.
Even with all those strikes against it, the PS1 still looks pretty rosy for third-parties after 1 year compared to the Wii and PS3.
PS1:
1. PS1 Battle Arena Toshinden - 472,150 (19950122)
2. PS1 Tokimeki Memorial: Forever With You - 450,953 (19951203)
3. PS1 Ridge Racer - 298,066 (19950122)
4. PS1 New Japan Pro Wrestling: Toukon Retsuden - 244,984 (19951119)
5. PS1 Ridge Racer Revolution - 178,397 (19951203)
6. PS1 Gokujou Parodius Da! Deluxe Pack - 172,791 (19950122)
7. PS1 Namco Museum Vol. 1 - 145,649 (19951203)
8. PS1 Boxer's Road - 105,913 (19951112)
9. PS1 A. IV Evolution - 105,553 (19950122)
10. PS1 Jikkyou Powerful Pro Yakyuu '95 - 90,294 (19950115)
1) Only 'Points' are actually given, and sales are assumed to be a constant ratio of those points.
2) It starts the week after the PS1 launches and goes for only 6 weeks before having an 8 month gap in data.
3) LTDs are not given, so only a summation of the weekly sales is possible.
Even with all those strikes against it, the PS1 still looks pretty rosy for third-parties after 1 year compared to the Wii and PS3.
PS1:
1. PS1 Battle Arena Toshinden - 472,150 (19950122)
2. PS1 Tokimeki Memorial: Forever With You - 450,953 (19951203)
3. PS1 Ridge Racer - 298,066 (19950122)
4. PS1 New Japan Pro Wrestling: Toukon Retsuden - 244,984 (19951119)
5. PS1 Ridge Racer Revolution - 178,397 (19951203)
6. PS1 Gokujou Parodius Da! Deluxe Pack - 172,791 (19950122)
7. PS1 Namco Museum Vol. 1 - 145,649 (19951203)
8. PS1 Boxer's Road - 105,913 (19951112)
9. PS1 A. IV Evolution - 105,553 (19950122)
10. PS1 Jikkyou Powerful Pro Yakyuu '95 - 90,294 (19950115)
D.Lo said:
Sure.
But looking at PS2s top Ten sellers, it beats the living shit out of the top ten PS3 and Wii sellers through 52 weeks. Which lends me to believe that the rest of the PS2s early releases were pretty bad.
10. PS2 Shin Sangoku Musou - 302,101 (20001231)
1. PS3 Gundam Musou - 277,582 (20070701)
2. PS3 Shin Sangoku Musou 5 - 176,180 (20071111)
1. WII Dragon Quest Swords: The Masked Queen and the Tower of Mirrors - 453,445 (20070826)
2. WII Dragon Ball Z Sparking Neo - 157,784 (20070701)
That's pretty telling, I'd think.
I just got Wii Fit. I haven't tried it yet, because I just got home, but I took cellphone pics at Shinjuku West Bic Camera. It was fairly busy.
- Yes, lots of people were buying the game. Before I entered the store, I noticed 5 people with Wii Fit crossing the street outside the store.
- A few people bought a Wii system with the game. Notably older, middle-aged men.
- One person bought Super Mario Galaxy. :lol
- Saw one person buying a Wii system, Wii Play, Wii Sports and Wii Fit. And what I thought was Biohazard Umbrella Chronicles, although it could have been Biohazard 4 Wii Edition as well.
- The press were there taking pictures of people at the registers and people trying the trial version at the Wii Fit kiosk.
- They had tons in stock and they had more crates in storage, possibly due to the fact the Shinjuku store is a flagship store for Bic (hence the press)
- They had a special cash register away from the main section for Wii Fit and Wii system purchases, although relatively few actually utilized it because it is a bit hard to find when you enter Bic's 5th floor gaming section.
Pictures:
Sign about Wii Fit
A press camera man setting up
More Wii Fit shipping containers being moved to the counter
Someone bought a Wii system with Wii Fit
Picture of part of the queue for the register area
Press shooting someone trying the demo
Picture of special counter dedicated to buying Wii Fit and a system
Someone bought two Wii Fit systems (these people were trying the PS3 WE 2008 demo)
Overall, it wasn't super hectic busy, but it was indeed an impressive show. The game will clearly be a huge hit in Japan.
- Yes, lots of people were buying the game. Before I entered the store, I noticed 5 people with Wii Fit crossing the street outside the store.
- A few people bought a Wii system with the game. Notably older, middle-aged men.
- One person bought Super Mario Galaxy. :lol
- Saw one person buying a Wii system, Wii Play, Wii Sports and Wii Fit. And what I thought was Biohazard Umbrella Chronicles, although it could have been Biohazard 4 Wii Edition as well.
- The press were there taking pictures of people at the registers and people trying the trial version at the Wii Fit kiosk.
- They had tons in stock and they had more crates in storage, possibly due to the fact the Shinjuku store is a flagship store for Bic (hence the press)
- They had a special cash register away from the main section for Wii Fit and Wii system purchases, although relatively few actually utilized it because it is a bit hard to find when you enter Bic's 5th floor gaming section.
Pictures:
Sign about Wii Fit
A press camera man setting up
More Wii Fit shipping containers being moved to the counter
Someone bought a Wii system with Wii Fit
Picture of part of the queue for the register area
Press shooting someone trying the demo
Picture of special counter dedicated to buying Wii Fit and a system
Someone bought two Wii Fit systems (these people were trying the PS3 WE 2008 demo)
Overall, it wasn't super hectic busy, but it was indeed an impressive show. The game will clearly be a huge hit in Japan.
JoshuaJSlone
Member
Yeah, I didn't intend to leave it so mysterious.D.Lo said:
Those are third-party-only comparisons, though. Wii has an incredibly strong first party presence (Not counting Wii Play, 8 of the top 10), PS3 has a fairly strong first party presence (4 of the top 10), PS2 had an incredibly weak early first party presence (0 of the top 10). You can say those systems have an abysmal third party software tie ratio, but hey, sucks to have strong competition.reilo said:
D.Lo
Member
That is impressive. Bizzare, the Japanese were seemingly desperate to abandon Nintendo in 1995, jumping onto another system that quickly (then again, they already did for the PC Engine...).donny2112 said:
You don't have Saturn data do you? From memory it could be even more impressive.
That's what we want to hear, a non-game doing it's job evangelising non-non-games.cvxfreak said:
D.Lo said:
1) Still based on a ratio to points data.
2) Starts at third week from release and goes for 6 weeks before 8-month gap.
3) Summation of weekly sales, no LTDs.
This is still only for third-parties.
SAT:
1. SAT Puyo Puyo Tsuu - 183,612 (19951119)
2. SAT Detana TwinBee Yahho! Deluxe Pack - 86,750 (19951015)
3. SAT King of Boxing - 74,230 (19951119)
4. SAT Nobunaga no Yabou: Tenshoki - 72,730 (19951105)
5. SAT Layer Section - 72,240 (19951119)
6. SAT Touge: King the Sprits - 69,580 (19951119)
7. SAT Idol Janshi Suchie-Pai Remix - 64,025 (19951015)
8. SAT Princess Maker 2 - 57,706 (19951105)
9. SAT Dragon Ball Z: Shin Butouden - 43,077 (19951119)
10. SAT Tenchi Muyou! Ryoukouki Gokuraku - 30,390 (19951015)
JoshuaJSlone
Member
Based on the 52-week Famitsu software/hardware information, here's a first/third tie ratio breakdown. Due to incomplete data, everything should be higher than this; how much is unknowable.
PS2
0.14 first
2.15 third
GCN
2.16 first
0.45 third
PSP
0.36 first
0.81 third
DS
1.64 first
0.37 third
PS3
0.54 first
0.95 third
Wii through 51 weeks, not counting Wii Play
1.47 first
0.55 third
What did PS2 and DS have in common? Neither first party ratio nor third party ratio. DS third party sales were even weak compared to PSP. What PS2 and DS had in common was a healthy total tie ratio, which attracted further attempts to grab a piece of it.
GCN seems to have the highest total tie ratio of any of these systems through one year... it was just on a userbase too small to matter.
PS2
GCN
DS
PSP
PS3
Wii (Week 51)
PS2
0.14 first
2.15 third
GCN
2.16 first
0.45 third
PSP
0.36 first
0.81 third
DS
1.64 first
0.37 third
PS3
0.54 first
0.95 third
Wii through 51 weeks, not counting Wii Play
1.47 first
0.55 third
What did PS2 and DS have in common? Neither first party ratio nor third party ratio. DS third party sales were even weak compared to PSP. What PS2 and DS had in common was a healthy total tie ratio, which attracted further attempts to grab a piece of it.
GCN seems to have the highest total tie ratio of any of these systems through one year... it was just on a userbase too small to matter.
Easier just to link to it. These are what I used as reference earlier, I just weeded out the first-party releases and rounded numbers.reilo said:
PS2
GCN
DS
PSP
PS3
Wii (Week 51)
davepoobond
you can't put a price on sparks
hm, if that's a common sight it might do 400k after all?
PantherLotus
Professional Schmuck
i thought it would be big. but i think this is gonna be huge. like = wii sports, huge.
Phife Dawg
Member
Viable enough for publishers to put out all these games. The userbase is pretty reliable, if your game has hype it'll sell 20k+.Pureauthor said:
PantherLotus said:
I think it is worth pointing out that this is the first time in like.... I don't know, maybe ~10 years?, that people line up for a New IP in Japan.
People line up for Dragon quests or Pokemons but for Wii fit? actual lines??
Unheard of.
I think this thing will be the single biggest new IP of the generation in Japan, taking the crown from Wii sports.
EDIT = ...mmhhh I just thought.... I guess the japanese are seeing this as the continuation of wii sports, right? like a "wii sports 2"...
D.Lo said:
Well, by 1995 the 3D revolution had taken place in the arcades. Everyone was playing Daytona, Tekken, or Virtua Cop. The Super Famicom couldn't deliver this, the Playstation could and people were embracing the new generation..
I'm convinced that had the N64 been released in 1995 with a CD-ROM drive, the PS1 would have been a complete failure.
Mithos Yggdrasill
Banned
PantherLotus said:
Yeah and this could be definitely the game that the Wii need to sell well for next 6 months without any release. I'm just really disappointed about the lack of interest in Galaxy.
Moor-Angol
Banned
According to cvxfreak's report we have :
Wii system +2
Wii Fit +11
Wii Sports +1
Wii Play +1
SMG +1
RE4Wii / RE:UC +1
Wii system +2
Wii Fit +11
Wii Sports +1
Wii Play +1
SMG +1
RE4Wii / RE:UC +1
Mithos Yggdrasill
Banned
Moor-Angol said:
At this point, all reports say that Wii Fit is going to be huge, but I have the impression that Wii's hardware will not skyrocket.