Mithos Yggdrasill
Banned
ksamedi said:
Preliminary reports say that who is buying Wii Fit already has a Wii. A relative small part is buying Wii Fit AND a Wii.
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Media Create Sales 11/19 - 11/25 2007
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Preliminary reports say that who is buying Wii Fit already has a Wii. A relative small part is buying Wii Fit AND a Wii.
Moor-Angol
Banned
Mithos Yggdrasill said:
well, Wii is around 4mln, next year it will overpass GC, N64, SS and PCE LTD.
Only NES, SNES, PS1 and PS2 had a bigger userbase.
It's time people start buying the games, consoles are already inside the houses in a good number...
Mithos Yggdrasill
Banned
ksamedi said:
Never said that these reports are accurate in any way. Just they are additional informations.
ksamedi said:
I don't think that this is included into their plans...
iidesuyo said:
They should care because they're still paying for the development, publishing and producing of the game. They should atleast release the Wii game earlier than the Ps2 version. Just imagine how Devil Kings 2 would've done on Wii if it were released as a time exclusive for about a month.
Lets just assume Wii version does 150k in a month when its timed exclusive. The company would have those 150k sales plus the Ps2 versions sales.
But..they released them together and now they'll have good Ps2 sales and shit Wii sales.
The Innocent X
Banned
Lobster said:
The licensing for the PS2 version is probably less, so they probably make more money for each PS2 copy sold over the Wii version.
Lobster said:
But then again, why should they care at all. It's not their obligation to push a certain hardware, all they need to do is make money. Whether that's on PS2 or Wii, it makes no difference to them. They are probably even happy that PS2 games still sell well, because they know the hardware and its userbase is quite predictable.
What? Do you really believe Wii owners will buy a game they otherwise wouldn't buy because it is a timed exclusive?Lobster said:
The publisher doesn't care, nor should he care, whether the consumer picks up the Wii copy or the PS2 copy. If they release one version later than the other, then some of the hype will have died down already and sales will decrease overall.
I honestly don't see your point.
Okay, that makes some sense. Though I'm not convinced that small games like that make anyone buy a console, and I believe sales dying down due to hype dying down (or alternatively, requiring marketing over a longer period of time) is more important for publishers.
No it's more like YOU don't want games to be on PS2 at the same time as Wii because it ends up selling worse than Wii. Developers always benefit from releasing on PS2 first or on same date as they will always achieve maximum sales that way. You are assuming that if by having timed exclusive, the game would sell just as well on PS2 if it weren't timed but in fact it would actually sell worse on PS2. Getting out games on both consoles at the same time is always the best strategy. Your idea only benefits the Wii.Lobster said:
Dahbomb said:
Err what? The Ps2 version would still have a shitload of sales..If im not mistaken there are 21 million Ps2 owners in Japan. They will more then make the 60k first day sales for the Ps2 version.
Well take UT3 for example. The game will definitely benefit from being Ps3 console timed exclusive.
My point is third parties complain about their Nintendo third party sales when they're the one sabotaging their sales by releasing the game on Ps2 aswell.
Lets imagine that SMG was on the Ps2 and Wii. Do you think the Wii version would have sold as well?
NeonZ
Member
To be fair, most of those games are sequels of PS2 franchises, and the PS2 versions are hardly any different from the Wii ones, so there's no incentive for the users to migrate to a different platform to play those games. So, naturally, the PS2 version will sell better.
I suppose part of that is Nintendo's own fault though. They should try securing (timed) exclusives to try expanding the demographic of the Wii's user base. The 3rd parties have no real reason to do that by themselves, after all, while the PS2 is still alive.
Kurosaki Ichigo
Member
Sounds like someone didn't like 3rd party charts.
As in someone other than 3rd parties themselves :lol
As in someone other than 3rd parties themselves :lol
Kurosaki Ichigo said:
If you're reffering to me, yes I am pretty dissapointed in the 3rd party charts.
Take a look at the Wii charts everybody.
1. WII Dragon Quest Swords: The Masked Queen and the Tower of Mirrors - 453,445 (20070826)
2. WII Dragon Ball Z Sparking Neo - 157,784 (20070701)
3. WII Resident Evil: Umbrella Chronicles - 104,960 (20071118)
4. WII Ennichi no Tatsujin - 104,524 (20070701)
5. WII Naruto: Shippuuden Gekitou Ninja Taisen! EX - 97,123 (20070701)
6. WII One Piece: Unlimited Adventure - 95,203 (20070701)
7. WII Resident Evil 4: Wii Edition - 88,367 (20070701)
8. WII Jikkyou Power Pro Baseball Wii - 72,388 (20070805)
9. WII Bleach: Shattered Blade - 68,728 (20070325)
10. WII Aim!! Fishing Master - 66,278 (20070701)
If anybody didn't noitce, the only games on that list aren't Wii exclusive are RE:WE, Jikkyou and DBZ. Jikkyou sold really horribly..the Ps2 version did like over 150k first week..DBZ sold no where near to its Ps2 counter part.
I seriously blame the Ps2 versions..The Wii version of DBZ and Jikkyou could have sold exactly the same ammount or close to, as the Ps2 versions did if they were exclusive.
Mithos Yggdrasill
Banned
Dahbomb said:
Yeah, this is not entirely false. Third Parties simply go where the money is and evidence says that now Wii is profitable most of all for Nintendo and its games. Even some big Nintendo's games seems to find difficulties selling in Japan, so I don't see really why Third Parties should put effort on a console that for now is very casual.
An additional problem is that Nintendo has almost the monopole of the casual genre that succeed. Yes, we saw many imitations, but nothing has been successfull as Wii Sports or (it seems) Wii Fit.
So, a Third Party that has intention to try to enter into the Wii's market, is very unsure about results and the obvious solution is to port the game for PS2 either, where there is always some margin of success.
Otherwise, there is the X360, that for now it is the best choice for Developers thanks to the incredible attach rate in the USA. Japan of course is lost for X360, but there is always the PS3 and that's why Third Parties are making games for both PS3 and X360: the former for Japan. The latter for Occident.
Wii is an outsider. The ironic thing is that it is the leader. A leader that doesn't share well its profits with other developers as PS2 or PSOne did or as X360 os doing right now, because of its audience (worse the a noble-gas electronic configuration...).
If you think about it, nothing has really changed with Wii for a Third Party viewpoint, outside the fact that the system is very successfull for Party- and Casual games. In fact, this is the only point where Wii gained and is still gaining support. But the hardcore audience is even smaller then on Gamecube and this scary Third Parties, because the 95%of AAA games deveoped by them are hardcore's games and don't suit well for Wii.
What can Nintendo do ? Try to expand its hardcore audience. But this is not easy, because gamers are Hi-Tech nerds that don't want an underpowered system. Thanks God, games like Corruption or Galaxy or Smash are here to say that they're wrong and that power is not everything, but they're always Nintendo's games and the majority of gamers want Third party games in order to shift from PS2 to Wii and not to PS3 or X360. And this explain Monster Hunter 3 on Wii. Sure, this is a Nintendo's move to fill this lack of hardcore audience, but it is absolutely not enough.
Anyway, the paradox is that this situation is bad only for gamers, but not for Nintendo that is swimming in the money. And this explain why they aren't really making big moves to change this situation. After all, what they did with Wii is only to prevent an economical crysis, because of the continued decline of the dimension of hardcore's games on their systems. Nintendo knew that try to have exclusivities from Third Parties wouldn't have been enough to save them. We saw that with Gamecube: better third party support, but only 21 millions systems and a general decline in software's sales of their big franchises. So, they simply tried to attact other people that would have not required games like GTA or Halo or FF on their consoles and this introduced that Blue Ocean Strategy, the DS and the Wii. It is THE solution to escape from the negative circle they were trapped into.
An additional consideration is that Nintendo cannot ignore completely their main franchises that made them so popular in the world and this is the only motivation why Nintendo is still making games like Galaxy or Twilight Princess or Corruption: because Nintendo still need a basis of hardcore, at least for now, until the new, casual audience will buy Marios or Zeldas as hardcore did in the last 20 years (Phantom Hourglass is an example: more suited for casual gamers and sales are good).
Let me sa that performances like TP or Galaxy in Japan are not good signs, because someday Nintendo could distance themself from the hardcore even more, to develop games especially for the casual market, that is very responsive to Nintendo's products.
Mithos Yggdrasill
Banned
donny2112 said:
Nothing from Shinobi ?
Mithos Yggdrasill said:
He said "when can we expect numbers." Sinobi's already done his usual first day sales post for last week. If you recall when Phantom Hourglass launched on a Saturday, we were in the same situation. I think there might've been a gamefront.de article with questionable numbers, but we didn't get real figures until Wednesday.
We might get a blurb between now and Wednesday, but we can only expect numbers on Wednesday.
Moor-Angol
Banned
Lobster said:
ehm... according to Famitsu numbers it's over 100k, according to M-C numbers it's over 130k, so why it's listed at 88k ?
and Power Pro Baseball is also listed at 130k by M-C, so it's not properly a disappointment in sales, if it's confirmed, this is the best result for a PawaPuro game on Nintendo consoles since N64 times...
GC had 9,10,11 and 12 (13 was canned due to low sales) and just one title sold more than 100k.
(and this could explain why Konami released other 2 titles in just 4 months, Major League in October and Kettebain coming in December)
D.Lo
Member
While this is true, it's not because PS2 versions get released.Lobster said:
These games being released on PS2 and Wii at the same time are the equivalent of the Xbox 360 Gun/Tony Hawk's American Wasteland/**** Raider Legend etc - PS2 ports that came out on the 360 in it's first year. Slightly upgraded versions that exist only so the new userbase can play the game. They are not the main SKU, they're just an investment in the franchise on a new platform.
Japanese third parties are at least dabbling their feet in Wii development by releasing their PS2 games on the console. They can hardly complain when they do badly/worse then the PS2 version when they're clearly an afterthought. Perhaps if they were ported better (improved graphics/framerate etc, pointer menu integration, motion controls for sports etc)...
But if these companies want to see these series continue, they will have to start investing in a new console's userbase, because while PS2 will do for a while, it is without doubt on it's way out. Basically, third parties need to do this to save console gaming (or at least traditional console gaming) in Japan. They have to pick the Wii or PS3 and go with it, giving the new console version their best effort to make the current buyers move over. Because if they don't, all that will happen is that these series will wither and die.
test_account
XP-39C²
According to Shinobi the WiiFit shipment was on 150-300k. If this is correct i guess we wont see any huge numbers (relatively speaking) the first week.
PS3 is worse for third parties than Wii, in Japan as well as worldwide. All the biggest third party games on PS3 in Japan are from million selling franchises that underperformed by orders of magnitude compared to previous installments. Their biggest first party games face the same problems. If you think SMG only beating Sunshine by a relatively small margin (which it is likely to do) is bad, what do you say about Minna no Golf 5 only selling 35% of Minna no Golf 4?Mithos Yggdrasill said:
Lobster said:
Uh, going by your not so intelligent logic, third parties should release games on the PS3 first in order to sell well on the PS3 and delay their games on the Xbox 360. So then the PS2 owners could upgrade to the PS3 and then they wont complain about the PS3 software sales :lol .
hmmm, EA should release the next Madden on the PS3 or Wii first and then release it on the Xbox 360 and PS2 later. That way they could maximize their sales? ...................... ...... :lol
Segata Sanshiro
Member
Dude Lobster, you just got owned by spwolf and sakuragi
I mean hell, sometimes wisdom tumbles out of the mouth of spwolf, but sakuragi?
That's how you know you've said something really silly.
I mean hell, sometimes wisdom tumbles out of the mouth of spwolf, but sakuragi?
That's how you know you've said something really silly.
Segata Sanshiro said:
Thanks for the compliment but I must say, I wasn't even trying. Although I would prefer if you let the "ownage" speak for itself, no need to rub it in his face.
However, your post did help in is solving this little mystery.I always wondered how can some people post 26 post per day and post something constructive. But now I know that its not possible and most of them were just gebrish, like the one I am quoting.
Segata Sanshiro
Member
Coming from someone who makes 100% shit posts, I'll take that as a compliment.sakuragi said:
My postcount usually gets inflated from arguing with dunderheads for multiple pages. Unlike my friend ethelred, I actually think I might rattle some sense into people's brains. Of late, I've been starting to see what a foolish venture that is.
Pureauthor
Member
A complete and utter disdain for humanity in general helps.
No, I don't have that yet. Still working on it.
No, I don't have that yet. Still working on it.
Research company Enterbrain states Sony outsold the Wii in the last 4 weeks.
Sony has sold 183,217 PS3s in Japan.
Nintendo Wii, has sold 159,193 units in Japan.
http://www.efluxmedia.com/news_PS3_Outsells_Wii_in_Japan_A_Sign_Of_Revival_11236.html
Interesting, are these official numbers now?
Sony has sold 183,217 PS3s in Japan.
Nintendo Wii, has sold 159,193 units in Japan.
http://www.efluxmedia.com/news_PS3_Outsells_Wii_in_Japan_A_Sign_Of_Revival_11236.html
Interesting, are these official numbers now?
Segata Sanshiro
Member
Enterbrain = Famitsu, and they're as reliable as anything we've got to work with.Firewire said:
Segata Sanshiro said:
The reason your little venture failed miserably is most probably because one should have a little sense in order to talk some sense into senseless individuals. Failure often comes when the teacher trying to teach the student something that he himself does not comprehend. Im afraid you fall under that category.
Segata Sanshiro
Member
Oh snap, I just got told. Alright, you win. Now go get back to your little buggery contest.sakuragi said: