JoshuaJSlone
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Ahh right, the one with Pac-Man shoved into remixes of other Namco oldies.Kurosaki Ichigo said:
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Media Create Sales 11/19 - 11/25 2007
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Stormbringer
Member
Any predictions/expectations for this one ?
Mithos Yggdrasill
Banned
creamsugar said:
WOW at Mario & Sonic Second Week. WOW at Galaxy FINALLY stabilised. And Wii sales up contrary to my expectactions.
I said it: Wii Fit could have driven not only Wii's sales, but also Software's sales for the machine and I was right !
boiled goose
good with gravy
Great layton sales!
Great wiifit sales! (i was a big skeptical because of the peripheral/higher price)
Great galaxy sales! (wii fit saves console gaming in japan???)
Great Mario and sonic legs, good REUC legs
Good ps3 and psp hardware
Good wii hardware sales bump
as for no more heroes... i have no idea how the game wii do... there is an audience for mature action titles on the wii (shown by re4 and uc) but both of these are franchises from capcom... it depends on the marketing i guess.... if it does 30k ill consider it good...
Great wiifit sales! (i was a big skeptical because of the peripheral/higher price)
Great galaxy sales! (wii fit saves console gaming in japan???)
Great Mario and sonic legs, good REUC legs
Good ps3 and psp hardware
Good wii hardware sales bump
as for no more heroes... i have no idea how the game wii do... there is an audience for mature action titles on the wii (shown by re4 and uc) but both of these are franchises from capcom... it depends on the marketing i guess.... if it does 30k ill consider it good...
Mithos Yggdrasill
Banned
creamsugar said:
Layton 1 is up. RE:UC stabilised (thanks Schuelma). Definitely Wii Fit is THE turning point for the Wii. I know that it is considered like a bad thing, but if it can drive Mario Galaxy's sales too, I'm more then happy.
Segata Sanshiro said:
Yeah, I was totally wrong when I said that the wind was changing. Simply the japanese market needed Wii Fit.
papelnabangka
Member
To add fuel to the Mario and Sonic fire, I just checked the forbidden Amazon rankings and M&S is actually going up and staying there after such a dismal start.
It could be that it's the next Carnival Games/Mario Party 8.
It could be that it's the next Carnival Games/Mario Party 8.
boiled goose
good with gravy
I would be blown away if wii fit saves console gaming in japan....
That would be way too much... everyone in gaming forums all over the would have been completely wrong....
is it possible that this will be the case....
that would be way too much ownage from miyamoto, nintendo to everyone else.....
maybe im getting ahead of myself....
That would be way too much... everyone in gaming forums all over the would have been completely wrong....
is it possible that this will be the case....
that would be way too much ownage from miyamoto, nintendo to everyone else.....
maybe im getting ahead of myself....
Mithos Yggdrasill said:
Oh and while I said you were being too quick to panic about the Wii in Japan, I'll also say IMO you're too quick to pronounce Wii saved. Let's see how next week fares when some big "traditional" games release for Wii.
manueldelalas
Time Traveler
amtentori said:
You know, Miyamoto saved console gaming once... and he will do it again!!
Ok, but I asked if we could expect a bump with staying power (like the one for the 40GB version, it seems) from GT5P. What determined DS success has been the consecutive bumps with staying power received thanks to software releases (i.e. Brain Training). I think it's not a good sign if PS3 software bumps cool down outside the launch window, but I may be wrong.bigfurb said:
Mithos Yggdrasill
Banned
Kurosaki Ichigo said:
Next week Minna no Golf 2 will be big.
Magicpaint
Member
February, I think.Mrbob said:
Saving is a relative term. Can it keep it selling well? Maybe it can.amtentori said:
But on it's launch Wii didn't outsell PSP, which had zero software in the top 30, and was considerably behind DS as always.
I think the handheld beasts are at a level consoles will never reach again.. at least not for a long time.
perfectchaos007
Member
WiiFlop?
Nah I'm just kidding. Thats actually excellent for a game thats going to have long legs
Nah I'm just kidding. Thats actually excellent for a game thats going to have long legs
TP Wii at least quadrupled it's first week sales. Galaxy doing it would mean +1 million.the thoroughbred said:
Phantom Hourglass positions on the UK chart:the thoroughbred said:
Week 42: #02
Week 43: #05
Week 44: #08
Week 45: #20
Week 46: #34
Outside of top 40 in week 47 and 48.
amtentori said:
Maybe.
Japan is going portable centric, that is a given. Wii Fit is not going to change that and I really doubt at this point there is going to be another PS2 this gen. Consoles will be there but I think their role will be eclipsed more and more by portable gaming (check most of the success of this generation: New Super Mario Bros, Nintendogs, Brain Training, Crisis Core, Monster Hunter... they have huge number or even record numbers without representing the same amount of investment and work that take games like Galaxy or Twilight Princess).
Look at Layton numbers. They are impressive. I believe this is a trend that started with mobile gaming and that won´t stop.
Phife Dawg
Member
Pretty much my line of thought. I hope it does decently in the west (I'll give my support with +1 sale).Vinnk said:
Huh? Where do you have these numbers from? I don't think either is close to 40k.tanod said:
Mithos Yggdrasill
Banned
Kyoufu said:
Agreed. I really don't see how NMH shoudl succeed where Killer 7 bombed. And Wii is not as hardcore as the Gamecube, so it could bomb even worse.
I agree for PS3 and I expect Minna no Golf 2 to score at least 200-300k in its first week.
Pureauthor
Member
Acosta said:
The queston is whether it'll settle on handphones or dedicated portable gaming devices.
Acosta said:
I think people might be getting a bit carried away here, at least with respect to PSP. Yes, hardware numbers since the re-design have been very good, but to publishers, what does it matter if not much software is sold with it? I mean, looking at PSP and Wii's software chart..Wii still seems like a much healthier environment to me, especially given that its the 1st year for the system.
Pureauthor
Member
schuelma said:
The PSP's first year wasn't all that bad in terms of software sales, you know...
Just sayin'.
Pureauthor
Member
schuelma said:
No million sellers early on like Wii Sports or Wii Play, but a fair number of PSP titles carved out some respectable numbers for themselves, as I recall.
Of course, now I'm struck with the thought that the figures I saw could very well have been WW sales. I don't have them on hand to check.
Wii is still ahead of PSP YTD, and I don't think PSP Slim can boost the system forever anymore than Wii Sports could boost Wii forever, so you can't really make any conclusions yet other than that Wii is no DS. (Nothing else is.) Judging by the discrepancy last week, it's also possible that MC will have Wii > PSP.Sage00 said:
Being a launch title will help your legs yes, but that still doesn't make TP's legs disappointing IMO. I also do actually think SMG has a good shot at +1 million.schuelma said:
Wii Sports and Wii Play have outsold both Monster Hunters and Crisis Core. Mario Party 8 has outsold Crisis Core.Acosta said:
Acosta said:
I'm not saying PSP hasn't had some successful games, but much like detractors pointed out all summer that Wii hardware was high without any software selling besides Wii Sports, I think its a fair point to question PSP's new hardware success given the software numbers.
Jokeropia said:
Try that again, but now with DS.
My point is not about PSP, but portable Vs home gaming. PSP has been publically ignored by SCEJ for months, more focused, externally at least, on PS3, and the original model had some problems that has been in part corrected with Lite. I think now it´s a different story.
Pureauthor
Member
Jokeropia said:
Much to the detriment of gaming, I'm sure, but this doesn't refute his point that those were strong selling games. Also you're comparing the second place in the handheld race to first place in the console race, though I'm certain that's not entirely significant.
Jokeropia said:
But it is a case of handhelds in general. The DS plus the PSP have expanded the handheld market far, far beyond anything like it was before, and both of the two systems have brought in new gamers that wouldn't and didn't previously play handheld games. Both are contributing to its growth, both have a very strong role to play in its continued future expansion, both offer unique experiences and software that the other can't, and both are contributing to the dominance of portables over consoles.
But you can't countenance someone saying a single positive word about the PSP, can you?
schuelma said:
Depends on your definition of "really."
PSP through 2005: 4.3 million software
WII through 11-18-2007: at least 9.3 million software
Ignoring the two top-selling games for each:
PSP through 2005: 3.5 million software
WII through 11-18-2007: at least 5.5 million software
JoshuaJSlone
Member
Here's the "weeks since launch" comparison, now pushed to two years. All Famitsu for consistency:schuelma said:
Weekly
Cumulative
For a time-of-year comparison here's 2001 and 2007, though this does make PS2 the more mature system by about half a year.
Weekly
Cumulative
Now being into December, any bump has the extra opportunity to be multiplied or longer-lasting as things pick up around New Year's.Grampasso said:
It was compared to PS2, GCN, GBA, DS, and Wii. It does beat PS3, though.Pureauthor said:
PSP through one year
PS3 through one year
Jokeropia said:
PSP it´s a handheld, DS is too. And I didn´t speak of handhelds, I´m speaking of portable gaming, which includes mobile.
I was talking in general, portable gaming is getting more important in detriment to home gaming. That is my point, if you want to debunk it try to do it in general and not focusing on PSP alone.
DeaconKnowledge
Member
I think we are attributing too little weight to the PSP selling by the merits of its other features.
We can't point to the PSP as 2/3 (or whatever measure) of the DS because outside of high profile titles it rarely pushes (legitimate) software. PSP is a media device: GPS, TV, MP3. Internet (?) are just as much selling points if not moreso than games. Ditto the US.
We can't point to the PSP as 2/3 (or whatever measure) of the DS because outside of high profile titles it rarely pushes (legitimate) software. PSP is a media device: GPS, TV, MP3. Internet (?) are just as much selling points if not moreso than games. Ditto the US.
Pureauthor
Member
JoshuaJSlone said:
Hm. Perhaps it was a set of WW figures, then. (Or am I wrong again? I distinctly recall the PSP performing well in software at the beginning...)
Stormbringer
Member
Defuser said:
Well, I guess could believe that... I'm still a bit curious about whether or not it does better in his first week than Blue Dragon's 82k (with +40k first day IIRC, not including bundles)...but I guess we will see soon enough.
Pureauthor said:
In the U.S. and in Japan, it started off (6 months) very well compared to the DS. (From the Top 30s by the beginning of May 2005, Japan was 2.6 DS to 1.5 PSP.) It just didn't have much staying power in software sales after that. (From May 2005 to end of 2005 in the Top 30s, it was 6.6 DS to 1.1 PSP.)
As we keep discussing PSP software and piracy so much, it is worth considering that the average PSP owner could have as many or more games to play on their PSP as the average DS owner. It's just that those games wouldn't show up in software charts. From a philosophical standpoint, the PSP could really be opening up portable gaming to the console-only PS2 crowd and thus expanding portable gaming's influence. It just wouldn't help the publisher's bottom line.
D.Lo
Member
Oh come on. The DS has sold 80 million games and the PSP 15 million games in Japan. On software sales, the DS is 84% of the market, not even counting millions of GBA game sales since the launch of DS/PSP.ethelred said:
GCN plus PS2 did all you stated above for 'console gaming' last generation worldwide, selling more between them then any other two consoles of the same generation combined ever (well, except PS2+Xbox).
It's easy to overstate the success and importance of anything by lumping it in with something more successful and claiming that 'between them they did great'.