Dragona Akehi
Retired
Amir0x said:
It's on now.
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Media Create Sales 2/12 - 2/18
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It's on now.
Souldriver
Member
Wow, are you finally admitting that not every game on a nintendo console has to sell at least "so many" to not be a total failure? :OLanceStern said:You know, I realized this as well, but it just hit me that it might be ok for this to happen.
I mean it just hit me now that it might be ok for one third party to do nicely on Wii for a long time, then others come and grab a few 200 - 300k sellers every once and a while.
Because outside of the Wii, where else are they going to find that success?
There were thousands of PS2 games, and only a fraction of them reached your holy 300k benchmark even though the PS2 userbase is gigantic, but I didn't hear you b*tch about that. It's also true that once a console becomes "the preferred console" of game publishers, the platform will get lots of third party games, and logically that means a higher chance some of these games will enter the top ten. That's why the PS2 ruled the charts the past 5 years. And it seems the DS is reaching that point at this moment.
I'm sorry if I come of a bit brutal, but I'm so sick of that ever on going argument (but I really appreciate it you allways substantiate your opinions well, instead of just trolling -something that happens a lot in MC threads and GAF threads in general). Why do you fixate on Nintendo? Why do you call so many games a total failure on it's platforms? Who says every game should sell 300k? And why do you change your benchmark once games do have reached these numbers? When the numbers on the DS lately prove you wrong alltogether, you just move on to complain about the Wii. Don't say "but Wii play and Wii sports sell a lot", because that aren't the games to use as an example. These two games are doing exeptionally well, just like the brain training series on DS, and those are also uncomparable with other games. In the future there will be a lot of great sellers on the Wii, but somehow you'll find a way to ignore these titles and fixate on the ones that don't sell.
I'm allready sorry I've contributed to this argument which could feed this thread for another 2 pages, but I really wanted to say this.
Dragona Akehi
Retired
Amir0x said:
You are doomed, as Fire Emblem has never been about graphics!
(Lovely sprite animations aside, the best FE game since the SFC was the GameCube one, and it had "shittier" graphics than the GBA titles...)
ADMIT DEFEAT NOW.
turkification
Member
Dragona Akehi said:
Fire Emblem for NGC had indeed crap graphics.
Dragona Akehi
Retired
Amir0x said:
You have no chance to survive: make your time.
Mithos Yggdrasill
Banned
So the PSP sold 100k is last week. The superior limit of my previsions. What can I say ? First, that finally, after 2 years of complete and unbelievable Nintendo's domination with a PSP's software's selling like crap, there is something new !!!
Now it will be interesting to see if MHP2 will have legs. The experience say "not like Nintendo DS's games", but who knows ? It could remain for months in the top 50 and sell very well (1.5+ millions) in the long term.
The CORE of the problems, like I already said, is that the PSP has not killer-app comparable to MHP2 anymore. So, the big question is that is this game will drive PSP's sales in the long term and even here, it is too difficult to answer.
What about the rest: nothing new, because 8/10 games are on Nintendo's consoles and even games like Sim City sells well on the miracle's platform that is the Nintendo DS.
MHP2 is the Ocarina of Time of the PSP. This is the correct answer, but exactly like the N64, the next big game will come too late to reverse the tendence that we can safely assume right now: Nintendo DS is the leader and PSP the second one. And keep in mind that it is selling well for a second place. Perhaps the only thing that is different is that Sony is to blame for non supporting his consle enough and this is the key-difference with the N64 and he Gamecube, where Nintendo has made monster profits with a samll userbase.
Really a lost occasion for Sony in my opinion.
Anyway, it is good to see that after a 72% of the hardware's market dominated by Nintendo in 2006 (and still in 2007 until now) and after an almost complete Nintendo's domination in the charts, some good, traditional games can sell well, even after the storm of the Blue Ocean Strategy and the games that are born from it.
For who said that in Japan only non-games sells: take that !!!!
Now it will be interesting to see if MHP2 will have legs. The experience say "not like Nintendo DS's games", but who knows ? It could remain for months in the top 50 and sell very well (1.5+ millions) in the long term.
The CORE of the problems, like I already said, is that the PSP has not killer-app comparable to MHP2 anymore. So, the big question is that is this game will drive PSP's sales in the long term and even here, it is too difficult to answer.
What about the rest: nothing new, because 8/10 games are on Nintendo's consoles and even games like Sim City sells well on the miracle's platform that is the Nintendo DS.
MHP2 is the Ocarina of Time of the PSP. This is the correct answer, but exactly like the N64, the next big game will come too late to reverse the tendence that we can safely assume right now: Nintendo DS is the leader and PSP the second one. And keep in mind that it is selling well for a second place. Perhaps the only thing that is different is that Sony is to blame for non supporting his consle enough and this is the key-difference with the N64 and he Gamecube, where Nintendo has made monster profits with a samll userbase.
Really a lost occasion for Sony in my opinion.
Anyway, it is good to see that after a 72% of the hardware's market dominated by Nintendo in 2006 (and still in 2007 until now) and after an almost complete Nintendo's domination in the charts, some good, traditional games can sell well, even after the storm of the Blue Ocean Strategy and the games that are born from it.
For who said that in Japan only non-games sells: take that !!!!
gconsole said:
I say wow.
MH2 might have legs since not everybody got it the first week...
If it can happen to this series...I just hope it happens to Ratchet and Clank...
No...I was the guy that stated "they cant go backwards" for DQIX- but after the results for this weeks media creates come in, it wouldnt even matter anymore.
The "supposed" end of the PSP...has been very very VERY greatly exaggrated.
LanceStern
Banned
- 300k is a great benchmark of success for Nintendo DS titles. 3rd Parties especially, there's just something EVEN about that number.
100,000 is too low. That's like just a couple of online message-board gamers and magazine reader buying the title.
200,000 is OK I suppose. But still it doesn't make a very big impact. It's like the gamers told a few people what the game was about and people bought it. Companies should want more mass appeal than just 200k.
300k is a good benchmark though. It's well rounded, the main-stream is getting into it and know about it... everything is nice.
Now, this doesn't apply to all DS titles, because there are many factors like how well the game was advertised, it's initial impressions and the time it's released, the context. A title like Lost mAgic or Contact or Digimon Story I have no problem seeing sell 70k, 30k and 200k respectively because I didn't expect them to do that well, they weren't advertised much, it looks like a low-appeal title and they were released at downtimes.
For a lot of titles though, it works.
Oh, and the beginning of my corrupted neoGAF past was MC June 26 - July 2, when I first mention 300k: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=3974417#post3974417
100,000 is too low. That's like just a couple of online message-board gamers and magazine reader buying the title.
200,000 is OK I suppose. But still it doesn't make a very big impact. It's like the gamers told a few people what the game was about and people bought it. Companies should want more mass appeal than just 200k.
300k is a good benchmark though. It's well rounded, the main-stream is getting into it and know about it... everything is nice.
Now, this doesn't apply to all DS titles, because there are many factors like how well the game was advertised, it's initial impressions and the time it's released, the context. A title like Lost mAgic or Contact or Digimon Story I have no problem seeing sell 70k, 30k and 200k respectively because I didn't expect them to do that well, they weren't advertised much, it looks like a low-appeal title and they were released at downtimes.
For a lot of titles though, it works.
Oh, and the beginning of my corrupted neoGAF past was MC June 26 - July 2, when I first mention 300k: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=3974417#post3974417
NintendosBooger
Member
One blip on the radar.
Nintendo is probably thanking Capcom for the temporary relief. I swear, Nintendo has platinum selling IPs on top of platinum selling IPs on top of platinum selling IPs with sequels slated for each one that they have to lease them away for other companies to catch up while they come up with ideas for even more platinum selling IPs.
Nintendo is probably thanking Capcom for the temporary relief. I swear, Nintendo has platinum selling IPs on top of platinum selling IPs on top of platinum selling IPs with sequels slated for each one that they have to lease them away for other companies to catch up while they come up with ideas for even more platinum selling IPs.
LanceStern
Banned
Mithos Yggdrasill said:
You can't hear the 70,000 FE Emblem owners yelling "wrong" over the 1.7 million Wii Sports/Play owners saying "Hi".
Magicpaint
Member
LanceStern said:
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LanceStern
Banned
Magicpaint said:
I changed it.
Impromptu wit is hard.
LanceStern
Banned
gkrykewy said:
I was dedicated. It was actually a pretty good ad too
LanceStern said:
I think I'll just recheck I locked all my doors and windows.
LanceStern said:I was dedicated. It was actually a pretty good ad too
... but the DS only came out a couple of years ago. In this case, 'was' isn't far from 'is'.
EDIT: And for anyone who understands my avatar, you may remember the episode with Alan's biggest fan... "Go away you big sp*****! You're a mentalist!"
Mithos Yggdrasill
Banned
LanceStern said:
Lance, don't try. Seriously, don't. I have said the word "only" not only to say something.
Mithos Yggdrasill
Banned
Yamauchi said:
Less well then the other series, but I think that it is reasonably safe to say that the Wii has not the userbase of others consoels (because Fire Emblems traditionally came out late in the console life-cycle). this is one explication. Then, I think taht it can easily have legs to surpass Path of radiance (that sold "only" 150k in the long term).
Cosmonaut X
Member
pswii60 said:
*ZNORT!*
Now I'm imagining you running across an open field, pursued by LanceStern, desperate to get you back into his Room of DS... :lol
RamzaIsCool
The Amiga Brotherhood
LanceStern said:I was dedicated. It was actually a pretty good ad too
:lol hope you like your new name tag!
Mithos Yggdrasill
Banned
Dragona, I cannot edit my posts !!!!!! For the n-time, please, change that situation !!!!
Mithos Yggdrasill
Banned
LanceStern said:
Oh man, I don't believe what I read. Seriously.
Souldriver
Member
Note to self: never post in a thread when it's obvious dragona is reading it too.RamzaIsCool said:
charlequin
Banned
Dragona Akehi said:
Especially given the strong performance Wii's putting up in the US and the additional months of userbase-building it'll have under its belt by the time the game comes out over here. I suspect that (good) SRPGs may actually be more successful than regular jRPGs in the US right now -- FE9 was a hit, to my mind, and did shockingly well given how crowded that holiday season was.
I'm going to go out on a limb and claim that five of your Euro-dollars say it'll be announced by August for Q2 2008 release (probably slipping in reality to Q3).
EDIT:
Amir0x said:
:lol
The following graph shows the DS/PSP ratio for both software and hardware (Famitsu). For example, if DS sales equal PSP sales the graph shows a 1, if the DS sales double the sales of PSP the graph shows a 2 and if Pokemon is released..yeah, that's a 20.
I wonder whether we will see the software ratio below 1 for the MHP2 week.
I wonder whether we will see the software ratio below 1 for the MHP2 week.
JoshuaJSlone
Member
I like that one, Rock_Man. Did you see a week or two ago where I linked to the data from older software pies? It would be interesting to see that chart go back further than September.
Eteric Rice
Member
LanceStern said:I was dedicated. It was actually a pretty good ad too
Pfft, I'd bang Princess Peach if she were a real girl.
Or even if she wasn't.
davepoobond
you can't put a price on sparks
Eteric Rice said:Pfft, I'd bang Princess Peach if she were a real girl.
Or even if she wasn't.
i can make it happen.
Eteric Rice
Member
Shit, I didn't mean I wanted a Princess Peach with a penis.
JoshuaJSlone
Member
Ahh, I didn't realize that. It does explain why the lesser systems seemed so inconsistently included.Rock_Man said:Yes, I saw that and I bookmarked that page.
Cool. No rush or anything.
Chris Michael
Banned
Off topic but why hasn't Nintendo announced FE for the DS? So we get AW but no FE? wtf.
PhoenixDark
Banned
Man I'd love to see Fire Emblem on the DS as well. The series seems so much more fitted for handheld play than console play to me. Plus I'd love to be able to design each of my character's costumes using the stylus or give people CPR buy blowing into the mic after they've been mortally wombed
Eteric Rice
Member
jarrod said:
It's coming in the form of Panzer Tactics DS.
I hope...
