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[Shard]

If only that were true. :\

I think the phrse "There is a sucker born every mintue" covers that quite nicely.

 

[osyrus]

whoa, this thread has better legs than last week's :lol

 

[Amir0x]

whoa, this thread has better legs than last week's :lol

That is why GAF needs me, i get the debate and arguments rolling for a better tommorrow!

 

[Grampa Simpson]

Star Fox = Namco
Yoshi = Artoon

You're right, but I'll have to at least maintain that Nintendo had to have the final say on both of those titles, and should have either have sent them back for reworking or axed them altogether. It's the difference between hitting deadlines for the sake of hitting deadlines and declaring that it won't be done until it's done.

"A delayed game is eventually good, a bad game is bad forever"

 

[Shard]

That is why GAF needs me, i get the debate and arguments rolling for a better tommorrow!

Of course having dance partners doesn't hurt Ami.

 

[Terrell]

Terrell: Nobody is going to buy PS3.

He didn't ask what people will be BUYING to bury FFXII, just what will aid in doing so... it may not have people buying it, but it sure is a behemoth of a distraction.

 

[Shard]

So I guess Duke Nukem Forever is eventually going to be the best game in the world.

 

[Grampa Simpson]

So I guess Duke Nukem Forever is eventually going to be the best game in the world.

Doesn't work like that. Eventually good is all that we should expect.

 

[Shard]

Doesn't work like that. Eventually good is all that we should expect.

I see sarcasm is a foriegn concept to you.

 

[Amir0x]

He didn't ask what people will be BUYING to bury FFXII, just what will aid in doing so... it may not have people buying it, but it sure is a behemoth of a distraction.

It is going to distract people by causing them to laugh in unison on their way to the checkout counter with FFXII hopefully!

 

[Shard]

It is going to distract people by causing them to laugh in unison on their way to the checkout counter with FFXII hopefully!

Plus if I remember correctly FInal Fantasy XII has a couple weeks head start over the PS3.

 

[Grampa Simpson]

I see sarcasm is a foriegn concept to you.

No, I caught it in full, I'm just in a straight man sort of mood right now.

 

[Amir0x]

Plus if I remember correctly FInal Fantasy XII has a couple weeks head start over the PS3.

yeah. November 17th i think is PS3, October 31st is FFXII

 

[Shard]

No, I caught it in full, I'm just in a straight man sort of mood right now.

Ah, I see.

 

[Shard]

yeah. November 17th i think is PS3, October 31st is FFXII

Yes, that is right, so the concern should go more towards the Wii with its undetrimined release date.

 

[Amir0x]

oh i'm sure Wii is gonna make it in October.

So yeah... either way.

 

[Grampa Simpson]

yeah. November 17th i think is PS3, October 31st is FFXII

I'm kind of hoping the Wii will hit on October 21/22. It's fun watching obsessive gaming nerds get conflicted.

 

[Fuzzy]

yeah. November 17th i think is PS3, October 31st is FFXII

I say FFXII sells 0 copies during October NPD.

 

[AniHawk]

oh i'm sure Wii is gonna make it in October.

I hope so. The sooner I get TP, the better.

 

[Shard]

I hope so. The sooner I get TP, the better.

Angel Soft?

 

[sprsk]

Ubisoft's crap crap marketing.

Ubisoft should have been behind that game 100%. What a failure on their part!.

as if marketing in japan for alot of the games you love are better? they are more often than not quite a bit worse.


also as far as the stupid ass 3RD PARTIES SELL MORE thing, while 3rd party games apparently do sell more on the psp one has to take into account which games sell, which ones are exclusives and which ones are traditionally sony exclusives (tekken whats up). They may not be 1st party games but they are preeeeettty damn close.

 

[Amir0x]

I say FFXII sells 0 copies during October NPD.

that's a trick because doesn't October NPD end on the 28th or something :lol

 

[Fuzzy]

that's a trick because doesn't October NPD end on the 28th or something :lol

Yes. :lol

 

[cvxfreak]

sp0rsk: I hope that anyone who uses Brave Story as an example of PSP/DS third parties isn't conveniently ignoring Rockman ZX.

 

[Shard]

as if marketing in japan for alot of the games you love are better? they are more often than not quite a bit worse.


also as far as the stupid ass 3RD PARTIES SELL MORE thing, while 3rd party games apparently do sell more on the psp one has to take into account which games sell, which ones are exclusives and which ones are traditionally sony exclusives (tekken whats up). They may not be 1st party games but they are preeeeettty damn close.

How is it specifically worse marketing wise in Japan, Sporsk?

 

[Fuzzy]

sp0rsk: I hope that anyone who uses Brave Story as an example of PSP/DS third parties isn't conveniently ignoring Rockman ZX.

Didn't Rockman Rockman fail to chart in the top 50 when it was released on the PSP?

 

[sprsk]

How is it specifically worse marketing wise in Japan, Sporsk?

marketing? what marketing? you could tell me a game came out in japan that wasnt nintendo or based on an anime and i would never know. I was shocked to see locoroco commercials.

 

[Shard]

Didn't Rockman Rockman fail to chart in the top 50 when it was released on the PSP?

I think that was the case or at the very least it chrated low week one and fell from there.

 

[cvxfreak]

Didn't Rockman Rockman fail to chart in the top 50 when it was released on the PSP?

No trace of it in the March Japan sale report.

We know MegaMan Legends 1 PSP failed to sell more than 15K in all of 2005, too.

 

[apujanata]

I hope so. The sooner I get TP, the better.

Me too. And I hope that it is not too difficult to get my hands on Wii.

 

[Shard]

No trace of it in the March Japan sale report.

We know MegaMan Legends 1 failed to sell more than 15K in all of 2005, too.

Sounds like Megaman ZX is doing quite well in comaprison, but then again a lot of GAFers think that if something isn't doing oh say New SMB numbers then it is a bomb of epic proprtions.

 

[Fuzzy]

No trace of it in the March Japan sale report.

Shit, I never realized that and number 100 only sold 7K units in March.

Irregular Hunter X debuted in December and only sold 12K (99th) for that month and we never saw it again.

 

[Amir0x]

Sounds like Megaman ZX is doing quite well in comaprison, but then again a lot of GAFers think that if something isn't doing oh say New SMB numbers then it is a bomb of epic proprtions.

38,000 is terrible for a game the quality of Megaman ZX. If it did at least XENOSAGA III numbers I'd be like 'oh, ok... i'll take it.'

 

[Shard]

38,000 is terrible for a game the quality of Megaman ZX. If it did at least XENOSAGA III numbers I'd be like 'oh, ok... i'll take it.'

Quality has nothing to do with sales, you should know that by now. Also, if you worried about not getting Rockman XZ 2, well, do not forget that this is CAPCOM we are talking about here.

 

[Amir0x]

Duh, that's the whole point Shard. Quality never has anything to do with it. That's why consumers suck ass.

 

[Grampa Simpson]

No trace of it in the March Japan sale report.

We know MegaMan Legends 1 PSP failed to sell more than 15K in all of 2005, too.

I think for some of these properties it comes down to the moneyhatting. Sony moneyhatted Capcom into porting MML1 and remaking a couple of really classic games, but didn't moneyhat them some money for marketing. Since the push came from the outside, Capcom had little faith in the projects, and therefore didn't want to put any of their own money into the marketing.

Of course this is only conjecture. The argument doesn't hold up in the face of Dawn of Sorrow and ZX.

 

[Shard]

Duh, that's the whole point Shard. Quality never has anything to do with it. That's why consumers suck ass.

Then you shouldn't get your hopes and dreams up and act all angry when something like this happens.

 

[Amir0x]

It's frustrating that such shit continually charts over such fundamentally superior titles

 

[Shard]

It's frustrating that such shit continually charts over such fundamentally superior titles

I know it is, and not just for games either. Though what is there to be done about it other then start screming pointlessly into a wall or to vote with ones wallet?

 

[Amir0x]

I know it is, and not just for games either. Though what is there to be done about it other then start screming pointlessly into a wall or to vote with ones wallet?

that's what the forum is for. an outlet!

 

[Shard]

that's what the forum is for. an outlet!

Yes, I noticed that, unfortunatly it doesn't seem to do much good save for raising the blood pressure.

 

[Amir0x]

if i didn't do it, THEN my blood pressure would be raised

 

[Battersea Power Station]

Has anyone here seen Sour Grapes? You know that scene where the guy quits after insulting his boss and they're trying to end the conversation for a few minutes?

 

[soundwave05]

It's frustrating that such shit continually charts over such fundamentally superior titles

Uh, it's the same thing for every territory.

I wouldn't expect Megaman ZX to have huge sales in Europe or North America either. These types of games had their hey-day 12 years ago ... at least on DS, this style of gaming continues to live on.

 

[Shard]

if i didn't do it, THEN my blood pressure would be raised

I guess then it is the blood pressure of everybody else that gets raised. Though serious does turning the hyperbole up to 11 actually act as a form of cathersis to you?

 

[Amir0x]

I guess then it is the blood pressure of everybody else that gets raised. Though serious does turning the hyperbole up to 11 actually act as a form of cathersis to you?

So far all my 'hyperbole' has turned true about the game industry! Industry is guttered and getting worse by the day

 

[Shard]

Uh, it's the same thing for every territory.

I wouldn't expect Megaman ZX to have huge sales in Europe or North America either. These types of games had their hey-day 12 years ago ... at least on DS, this style of gaming continues to live on.

Indeed, it will be a dark day when Nintendo actually brings out a proper 3D portable system.

 

[Shard]

So far all my 'hyperbole' has turned true about the game industry! Industry is guttered and getting worse by the day

I am sorry, going to have to ask you for a little proof there, I am not exaclty seeing tradtional gaming vanish right before my very eyes Ami.

 

[Amir0x]

I am sorry, going to have to ask you for a little proof there, I am not exaclty seeing tradtional gaming vanish right before my very eyes Ami.

it's never going to vanish completely. only concepts and little things like focus until one day, the top ten looks different totally and developers change shift

 

[Battersea Power Station]

Jesus, I could've sworn that six months ago I was complaining about the direction in which the industry is going and Amir0x was the leader in disagreeing with me, offering as an argument only that I'm "crazy" or "kooky."