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[Stumpokapow]

This isn't perfect. All I did was look at the old Famitsu top 30s from the first 30 weeks of PS2 to pick out the largest LTDs. Here are the top ten PS2 games at the time, at their last top 30 appearance within that time frame. Please excuse some of the awful machine translated names.

... game list ...

In case anyone is reading this and wondering...
PS2 top 10 total sales after 30 weeks = 3,157,000
Wii top 10 total sales after 30 weeks = 5,295,000

PS2 #3-10 total sales after 30 weeks (removing 1 and 2) = 2,147,000
Wii #3-10 total sales after 30 weeks (removing 1 and 2) = 2,103,000

So, based on the top 10 LTD games, the Wii is neck and neck with the PS2 if you don't count the top two games for both console, and leagues ahead if you do. If the PS2 had a better sales record than the Wii in terms of software, it would have to be at the low end rather than the top end... and data at the low end is so weak that I'm not sure such a comparison would really be useful.

 

[Saitou]

In case anyone is reading this and wondering...
PS2 top 10 total sales after 30 weeks = 3,157,000
Wii top 10 total sales after 30 weeks = 5,295,000

PS2 #3-10 total sales after 30 weeks (removing 1 and 2) = 2,147,000
Wii #3-10 total sales after 30 weeks (removing 1 and 2) = 2,103,000

So, based on the top 10 LTD games, the Wii is neck and neck with the PS2 if you don't count the top two games for both console, and leagues ahead if you do. If the PS2 had a better sales record than the Wii in terms of software, it would have to be at the low end rather than the top end... and data at the low end is so weak that I'm not sure such a comparison would really be useful.

So is the "lol 3rd parties on wii am cry" argument a bannable offense now?


Cause it should totally be a bannable offense.

 

[titiklabingapat]

In case anyone is reading this and wondering...
PS2 top 10 total sales after 30 weeks = 3,157,000
Wii top 10 total sales after 30 weeks = 5,295,000

PS2 #3-10 total sales after 30 weeks (removing 1 and 2) = 2,147,000
Wii #3-10 total sales after 30 weeks (removing 1 and 2) = 2,103,000

So, based on the top 10 LTD games, the Wii is neck and neck with the PS2 if you don't count the top two games for both console, and leagues ahead if you do. If the PS2 had a better sales record than the Wii in terms of software, it would have to be at the low end rather than the top end... and data at the low end is so weak that I'm not sure such a comparison would really be useful.

You have to remove all first party games for Nintendo consoles, not just the top 2 in order for your calculations to count.

 

[JoshuaJSlone]

If the PS2 had a better sales record than the Wii in terms of software, it would have to be at the low end rather than the top end... and data at the low end is so weak that I'm not sure such a comparison would really be useful.

So I figured what the hell; here's the whole list. Of course the lower they are on the list, the more likely they are to be incomplete, since they maybe didn't show up on the top 30 more than once. Didn't bother machine translating all of these.

579,598 リッジレーサーV
429,734 鉄拳　TAG　TOURNAMENT
385,266 劇空間プロ野球　ＡＴ　ＴＨＥ　ＥＮＤ　ＯＦ　ＴＨＥ　ＣＥＮＴＵＲＹ　１９９９
322,342 決戦
304,973 ＤＥＡＤ　ＯＲ　ＡＬＩＶＥ２
297,647 実況パワフルプロ野球７
257,220 真・三國無双
234,847 ＦＩＦＡサッカー　ワールドチャンピオンシップ
189,886 ＡＲＭＯＲＥＤ　ＣＯＲＥ２
155,656 ストリートファイターＥＸ３
154,452 オールスター・プロレスリング
146,959 実況ワールドサッカー　２０００
146,479 ＦＡＮＴＡＶＩＳＩＯＮ
134,058 ゴルフパラダイス
119,055 エヴァーグレイス
88,104 三國志ＶＩＩ
77,271 ＥＴＥＲＮＡＬ　ＲＩＮＧ
76,603 ドラムマニア
71,929 ＤＲＩＶＩＮＧ　ＥＭＯＴＩＯＮ　ＴＹＰＥ－Ｓ
59,430 グラディウスＩＩＩ＆ＩＶ　～復活の神話～
57,561 スキャンダル
46,889 Ｇ－ＳＡＶＩＯＵＲ
43,515 ガングリフォン　ブレイズ
36,273 栄冠は君に　甲子園への道
32,616 Ａ列車で行こう６
24,568 ０ＳＴＯＲＹ（ラブストーリー）
22,406 Ｐｒｉｍａｌ　Ｉｍａｇｅ　ｖｏｌ．１
21,290 麻雀大会ＩＩＩミレニアムリーグ
20,770 ＸＦＩＲＥ～クロスファイア～
20,323 Ｓｏｒｃｅｒｏｕｓ　Ｓｔａｂｂｅｒ　ＯＲＰＨＥＮ　～魔術士オーフェン～
17,965 マジカルスポーツ２０００　甲子園
13,887 キーボードマニア（専用コントローラ同梱）
11,185 プロ麻雀　極　Ｎｅｘｔ
10,999 Ｉ．Ｑ　ＲＥＭＩＸ＋
10,622 シルフィード　ザ・ロストプラネット
10,260 フレースヴェルグ
10,017 建設重機喧嘩バトル　ぶちギレ金剛！！
9,961 Ｒｉｎｇ　ｏｆ　Ｒｅｄ
6,984 ＴＶＤＪ
5,753 がんばれ！ニッポン！　オリンピック２０００
4,327 ＷＩＬＤ　ＷＩＬＤ　ＲＡＣＩＮＧ
4,090 ロックンメガステージ
2,835 ストリート麻雀トランス　麻神２

It does seem Wii drops off a bit more quickly. PS2 has a handful more over 100K than Wii.

EDIT:
So I tossed those PS2 numbers and MoorAngol's Wii numbers into a bar chart. Wii is violet, PS2 black. Wii numbers are probably a bit more comprehensive, but they also only go through 29 weeks to PS2's 30. Make what you will of the higher sections, but the majority of both are below 100K.

 

[Cheesemeister]

579,598 Ridge Racer V
429,734 Tekken　TAG　TOURNAMENT
385,266 Gekikuukan Pro Baseball: At the End of the Century 1999
322,342 Kessen
304,973 Dead or Alive 2
297,647 Jikkyou Powerful Pro baseball 7
257,220 Shin Sangoku Musou
234,847 FIFA Soccer World Championship
189,886 Armored Core 2
155,656 Street Fighter EX 3
154,452 All-Star Pro Wrestling
146,959 Jikkyou World Soccer 2000
146,479 Fantavision
134,058 Golf Paradise
119,055 Evergrace
88,104 Romance of the Three Kingdoms VII
77,271 Eternal Ring
76,603 Drum Mania
71,929 Driving Emotion Type-S
59,430 Gradius III & IV
57,561 Scandal
46,889 G-Saviour
43,515 Gungriffon Blaze
36,273 Eikan wa Kimi ni: Kasshien e no Michi
32,616 Let's Take the A-Train 6
24,568 O Story (Love Story)
22,406 Primal Image, Vol. 1
21,290 Mahjongg Tournament III: Milennium League
20,770 Crossfire
20,323 Sorcerous Stabber Orphen
17,965 Magical Sports 2000: Kasshien
13,887 Keyboard Mania
11,185 Pro Mahjongg Extreme Next
10,999 I.Q. Remix+
10,622 Sylpheed: The Lost Planet
10,260 Hresvelgr
10,017 Buchigire Kongou!!
9,961 Ring of Red
6,984 TVDJ
5,753 Go Japan! Olympics 2000
4,327 Wild Wild Racing
4,090 Rockin' Mega Stage
2,835 Street Mahjongg Trance Majin 2

Yay.

 

[Earthstrike]

You have to remove all first party games for Nintendo consoles, not just the top 2 in order for your calculations to count.

But make sure you keep in the first party sony sales. Remember, all we're trying to do is contort figures and sales to support any argument that works in Sony's favour. Its not like in a sales analysis of selling potential for all systems, it would be important to consider ALL the software parties since ALL the software parties collectively push system sales.

 

[sprsk]

Well, it's a good thing we're getting this "3rd party games don't sell on Wii in Japan" argument out now before DQS comes out.

 

[Trident]

Well, it's a good thing we're getting this "3rd party games don't sell on Wii in Japan" argument out now before DQS comes out.

Clearly an outlier.


How many million sellers can people really expect from a console that doesn't even have 3 million units sold?

 

[Rock_Man]

DSL 157,435
Wii 73,919
PSP 38,305
PS2 16,316
PS3 11,914
Xbox360 3,154
GBM 377
GBASP 179
GC 111
DS 45
GBA 16

 

[schuelma]

Well, it's a good thing we're getting this "3rd party games don't sell on Wii in Japan" argument out now before DQS comes out.

Any sales predictions on Swords? I feel like its going to be big, like possibly a million seller...is that too optimistic?

 

[mj1108]

DSL 157,435
Wii 73,919
PSP 38,305
PS2 16,316
PS3 11,914
Xbox360 3,154
GBM 377
GBASP 179
GC 111
DS 45
GBA 16

PS3 above 10k = momentum.

DSL continues to amaze....Wii doing great as well.

 

[Cheesemeister]

31./30. [NDS] Common Knowledge Training (Nintendo)
32./27. [NDS] Pokémon Diamond (Pokémon)
33./28. [NDS] Kekkaishi: Tale of the Raven Forest (Bandai-Namco)
34./24. [WII] Super Paper Mario (Nintendo)
35./31. [WII] Resident Evil 4: Wii Edition (Capcom)
36./34. [NDS] Pokémon Pearl (Pokémon)
37./00. [PS2] Buso Renkin: Welcome to Papyon Park (Marvelous Interactive)
38./00. [NDS] Detailed Japanese History B Total Training (Bandai-Namco)
39./36. [NDS] Phoenix Wright 4 (Capcom)
40./08. [PS2] Mana-Khemia: The School Alchemists (Gust)
41./19. [PS3] Ninja Gaiden Sigma (Tecmo)
42./39. [NDS] Kurikin: Nano Island Story (Nintendo)
43./43. [NDS] Mario vs. Donkey Kong 2: March of the Minis (Nintendo)
44./33. [WII] Big Brain Academy: Wii Degree (Nintendo)
45./11. [PS3] FolksSoul (Sony)
46./05. [PS2] Growlanser VI (Atlus)
47./38. [PSP] Monster Hunter Portable 2nd (Capcom)
48./00. [PS2] Tales of the Abyss (Bandai-Namco)
49./32. [PS2] Hisshou Pachinko/Pachislo Capture Series, Vol. 10: CR Neon Geneses Evangelion (D3 Publisher)
50./41. [NDS] Kanji Test (Rocket Co.)

NDS - 28
PS2 - 10
WII - 7
PS3 - 3
PSP - 2

Hardware - This Week | Last Week |       YTD |        LTD
1. NDS   -   157,480 |   163,918 | 3,971,518 | 17,977,197
2. WII   -    73,919 |    65,582 | 1,954,852 |  2,874,495
3. PSP   -    38,305 |    32,984 | 1,083,147 |  5,615,276
4. PS2   -    16,316 |    11,962 |   420,373 | 20,575,232
5. PS3   -    11,914 |     9,581 |   492,931 |    950,489
6. 360   -     3,154 |     3,369 |   118,583 |    383,285
7. GBA   -       572 |       414 |    40,804 | 15,338,883
8. NGC   -       111 |        82 |     8,419 |  4,177,887

GBA = 16 GBA + 179 SP + 377 Micro
NDS = 45 DS + 157,435 Lite

 

[TheGreatDave]

I doubt Swords will reach a million given the userbase and the nature of the game. 500,000 is reasonably assured.

Edit: Oh shit Wii.

 

[Jokeropia]

Where's your parser, Cheese?

Edit: There it is!

 

[FtsH]

DSL 157,435
Wii 73,919
PSP 38,305
PS2 16,316
PS3 11,914
Xbox360 3,154
GBM 377
GBASP 179
GC 111
DS 45
GBA 16

oh my

 

[schuelma]

Wow, RE4 kind of sort of sticking around..nice.

 

[Relix]

The PSP is doing very well =O

GO WII AND DSL!

 

[Vic]

Wow, the DS is legendary. Never under 100k.

 

[nextgeneration]

Odd that PS3 is above 10k, given that Ninja Gaiden and FolksSoul couldn't push PS3 up above 10k when those were released.

 

[Cheesemeister]

Odd that PS3 is above 10k, given that Ninja Gaiden and FolksSoul couldn't push PS3 up above 10k when those were released.

Vegasbump?

 

[Scum]

DSL 157,435
Wii 73,919
PSP 38,305
PS2 16,316
PS3 11,914
Xbox360 3,154
GBM 377
GBASP 179
GC 111
DS 45
GBA 16

Whaaa-? People are still buying these?! Bloody 'ell!

 

[nextgeneration]

Vegasbump?

Yeah, that's got to be it.

 

[FtsH]

will they lower PS3's price in JP too next week? maybe PS3 can finally pass PS2 for a week or two...

 

[schuelma]

Wii will probably pass 3M in two weeks..just in time for DQ:Swords.

 

[mclem]

5. PS3   -    11,914 |     9,581 |   492,931 |    950,489

That actually looks like it's a bit more than statistical noise, but I can't see a reason for a bump at the moment; am I missing something, or is it just an unusually large noisebump?

Edit: Vegas? I wouldn't have thought it'd sell systems, but maybe that's what's going on.

 

[Haunted]

DS and Wii are the undisputed hardware kings in Japan. That makes how many weeks they're the #1 and #2 top-selling systems?


Just wow.

 

[USD]

So pretty much everyone (save DS and 360) got a nice little bump. And the DS is keeping the high numbers from last week.

 

[starship]

It's interesting to see Ninja Gaiden is above Folks Soul even though it released one week earlier. It seems NGS has good legs.
Wii hardware sales increased as I expected.
Nice PSP sales and awesome DS sales as always.
Also good to see PS3 did almost 12k.

 

[shanjun]

SCEJ made a big mistake,they didn't push folk soul that much.
but this week's ps3 number really came out of nowhere.

 

[VultureDude]

That actually looks like it's a bit more than statistical noise, but I can't see a reason for a bump at the moment; am I missing something, or is it just an unusually large noisebump?

as the base of interesting games builds, sales may be more spread out? Folksouls, ninja gaiden and Rainbow Six combined, as well as the previous interesting releases have to amount to something in the long run...

 

[titiklabingapat]

The Japanese liked the PS3 price cut.

 

[FtsH]

The Japanese liked the PS3 price cut.

they just woke up in the morning.......

 

[schuelma]

Are we really analyzing a two thousand unit increase? Wow..I guess we're pretty desperate for some drama in these threads aren't we? :lol :lol

 

[USD]

Are we really analyzing a two thousand unit increase? Wow..I guess we're pretty desperate for some drama in these threads aren't we? :lol :lol

Why did DS sales drop 6000 units? Is the age of the DS coming to a close?

 

[Saitou]

Guys, stop talking about PS3's sales glitch, the PSP is up six thousand units. What the hell? Didn't Dark Alex just sign off?

 

[schuelma]

Why did DS sales drop 6000 units? Is the age of the DS coming to a close?

PS2 went up 5k...last gen returning?

 

[speedpop]

May be late but I'm happy to see Ouendan 2 stick to it and not sink in an ocean like a rock that was the original.

 

[SRG01]

Guys, stop talking about PS3's sales glitch, the PSP is up six thousand units. What the hell? Didn't Dark Alex just sign off?

What was the PSP selling at the week before?

 

[Stumpokapow]

Resident Evil 4 hasn't been in the top 10 for a while but it's consistently been in the top 50... so we can assume upper single k, like 6k-8k a week. So, I'd say it's probably hitting 85-90k by now, for sure. Which means it's well on track for the 100k people were predicting.

 

[mclem]

Are we really analyzing a two thousand unit increase? Wow..I guess we're pretty desperate for some drama in these threads aren't we? :lol :lol

Because that 2,500 unit increase is slightly more than a 25% increase. At least, that's what caused my initial double-take.

 

[SRG01]

That actually looks like it's a bit more than statistical noise, but I can't see a reason for a bump at the moment; am I missing something, or is it just an unusually large noisebump?

Edit: Vegas? I wouldn't have thought it'd sell systems, but maybe that's what's going on.

That's over two thousand console sale difference. It's not statistical noise.

Personally, I think it's just the Folks Soul (and possibly Ninja Gaiden) word of mouth starting to spread. Lack of promotion before and word of mouth after explains the bump.

 

[Sharp]

Maybe a lot of people bought Folks Soul and/or NG:S used? That would explain the bump despite the software sales.

 

[cvxfreak]

Resident Evil 4 Wii Edition > Ninja Gaiden Sigma

Wiimakes > remakes?

 

[JoshuaJSlone]

Wii comparisons: At 31 weeks, Wii is where GCN was at 119.2 weeks (December 22, 2003), where GBA was at 22.3 weeks (August 21, 2001), where DS was at 37.0 weeks (August 13, 2005), where PS2 was at 35.0 weeks (October 29, 2000), and where PSP was at 58.0 weeks (January 15, 2006).

PS3 comparisons: At 34 weeks, PS3 is where PS2 was at 3.8 weeks (March 24, 2000), where PSP was at 12.5 weeks (March 2, 2005), where GCN was at 16.2 weeks (December 31, 2001), and where Wii was at 5.2 weeks (January 1, 2007).

PS3 vs Wii: Weekly shares of 13.9 / 86.1, PS3's highest in a month. This brings the total shares to 24.8 / 75.2; Wii hits the PS3 triple point. Due to PS3's higher-than-usual week, if Wii stopped selling and PS3 continued at this week's rate, it would catch up to Wii in 161.5 weeks (August 4, 2010).

PS2 vs DS: At this week's rates, PS2 and DS meet up in 18.4 weeks (November 6, 2007) at ~20.88 million apiece.

Total hardware sales for the year have passed 8 million. At 26 weeks, this surpasses the totals reached for 2003 and 2004, and passes 8 million much quicker than 2005 (50 weeks) or 2006 (37 weeks).

DS and Wii are the undisputed hardware kings in Japan. That makes how many weeks they're the #1 and #2 top-selling systems?

Nearly every week since Wii's release. The exceptions being when PSP was #2 for three straight weeks due to Monster Hunter Portable 2 (and the Wii lowpoint of 44K that last week).

Maybe a lot of people bought Folks Soul and/or NG:S used? That would explain the bump despite the software sales.

You think maybe they skimped on the game price, but bought the expensive hardware new?

 

[SRG01]

Why did DS sales drop 6000 units? Is the age of the DS coming to a close?

I seriously hope this was sarcasm. :lol

Spoiler

Zeldabump

 

[Sharp]

You think maybe they skimped on the game price, but bought the expensive hardware new?

I guess it doesn't make that much sense, in retrospect.

 

[Kaeru]

Guys, stop talking about PS3's sales glitch, the PSP is up six thousand units. What the hell? Didn't Dark Alex just sign off?

*In before the next patch*

?

 

[JKBii]

"10./00. [NDS] Listen! Write! Increase Vocabulary! Initial English Training (Benesse) - 30,000 / NEW"

This game's title certainly gets straight to the point.

 

[cvxfreak]

Joshua, how about a Wii vs PSP comparison each week?

 

[USD]

PS2 went up 5k...last gen returning?

It appears so my friend.