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ziran · Jun 15, 2007

CANLI said:
Yes, that it's in Japanese and fairly easy to figure out the menus.

The game is made by Bandai Namco but it has the same menus style than English Training or BT.
There's a Eye Stretching exercice too to relax them.
Yeah, it can be a big seller outside Japan too.

Thanks, sounds good.

titiklabingapat said:
Actually, scratch that. 28k for Sigma and 45k for Trusty Bell.

Yeah, those numbers seem reasonable.

Trusty Bell is a niche hardcore RPG and as such is performing as expected, ~50K for the week, or a little less. It looks good, and seems to have positive buzz so should break 100K. If Observation Training is sufficiently restocked I think it will struggle to make number 1 though.

NGS sales are low, but again this is expected for the franchise, it should manage ~30K for the week, I'd guess 60-70K LTD.

jarrod · Jun 15, 2007

legend166 said:
Can someone tell me what Folks Soul actually is, and why people think it's going to sell well?

I'm not trolling, I have no idea about anything to do with that game other than it's called Folks Soul.

ARPG made by Game Republic, loosely related to Gaia's Monster Kingdom (which flopped on PSP). I doubt it breaks 100k honestly.

andthebeatgoeson · Jun 15, 2007

Props to JJ and Panther. Good graphs. Thanks to all the others. I should make a graph on Panther's optimism on PS3 and 360.

phez · Jun 15, 2007

Kurosaki Ichigo said:
First day estimates are here guys

X360 Trusty Bell - 30k
PS3 Ninja Gaiden Sigma - 20k
PS3 Call of Duty 3 - 8k

Good word of mouth for Trusty Bell, 4th best first day ever for a X360 title (behind Blue Dragon and both DOA titles)...

8K for cod3? isn't that a bit extreme?

Sho_Nuff82 · Jun 15, 2007

It's kind of scary (or funny) that the 10k difference between Trusty Bell and NG Sigma could signal the 360 overtaking the PS3 over a 7 day span.

Un-freaking-believeable.

The Innocent X · Jun 15, 2007

Sho_Nuff82 said:
It's kind of scary (or funny) that the 10k difference between Trusty Bell and NG Sigma could signal the 360 overtaking the PS3 over a 7 day span.

Un-freaking-believeable.

Its partly because the userbase for 360 is much smaller, and so a new game selling the same amount would push the 360 hardware further upwards.

kisakiproject · Jun 15, 2007

Kurosaki Ichigo said:
First day estimates are here guys

X360 Trusty Bell - 30k
PS3 Ninja Gaiden Sigma - 20k
PS3 Call of Duty 3 - 8k

Good word of mouth for Trusty Bell, 4th best first day ever for a X360 title (behind Blue Dragon and both DOA titles)...

I assume that doesn't include bundles just like Blue Dragon's First day numbers didnt include bundles.

The Innocent X · Jun 15, 2007

kisakiproject said:
I assume that doesn't include bundles just like Blue Dragon's First day numbers didnt include bundles.

If it doesn`t then that makes it even more likely the streams will cross.

donny2112 · Jun 15, 2007

cvxfreak said:
Did anyone take a peek at Dengeki's numbers for the previous week? I forgot to see what they had for Biohazard 4 Wii Edition. >_<

Google cache to the rescue!

Dengeki said:
【全体概要】
　6月期最初のランキングは、Touch! Generationsシリーズ18作目となる『見る力を実践で鍛える DS眼力トレーニング』（DS)が1位を獲得しました。動体視力や瞬間視、周辺視野など、視力以外に備わっている眼の力をトレーニングする本作ですが、発売週の販売実績は推定10.2万本（店頭消化率75％前後）。Touch! Generationsシリーズとしては、『しゃべる！ DSお料理ナビ』（発売週12.0万本/累計82.4万本）に次ぐ歴代7番目の出足を見せました。続く2位には、2005年1月にGC版、同年12月にPS2版が発売され、世界的にもヒットを記録した人気アクションアドベンチャー『バイオハザード4』のWii版『バイオハザード4 Wii edition』が初登場。Wiiリモコンとヌンチャクによる新感覚のプレイが楽しめる本作ですが、発売週実績は推定5.1万本（店頭消化率65％前後）と、Wiiのサードパーティタイトルでは『ドラゴンボールZ Sparking! NEO』（バンダイナムコゲームス）の5.6万本（累計13.0万本）に次ぐ販売実績を記録しました。今週末時点におけるWiiのソフト市場は、48タイトルが発売され累計で637.6万本の市場を形成していますが、その市場構成をソフト別とメーカー別で見ると、ソフト別では『Wii Sports』(累計169.6万本/構成比26.6％）と『はじめてのWiiパック』(141.7万本/22.2％）のわずか2タイトルで全体の約半数を形成。メーカー別では、任天堂タイトルが9タイトルで実に75.2％のシェアを占めており、残りの24.9％の市場を20社、39タイトルで形成している状況です。ハード拡販期の今はやむを得ないとしても、過去、任天堂ハードにおいては、任天堂タイトルの勢いがサードパーティのソフト開発を萎縮させ、市場販促の妨げになったこともあります。それだけに、『バイオ4』のようなサードパーティタイトルが、今後どこまでの市場を築けるかがWii市場にとっては大きなポイントになりそうです。
　このほか新作では、人気2D格闘アクション『ギルティギア』シリーズの最新作『ギルティギア イグゼクス アクセントコア』（PS2/3.7万本）が3位に初登場したのをはじめ、PCからの移植作『この青空に約束を』（PS2/1.6万本）がベスト10圏内に初登場。旧作では再出荷された『燃えろ!熱血リズム魂 押忍! 闘え! 応援団2』（DS)が3.7万本(累計10.7万本）を販売し、先週の27位から4位へと大きく順位を上げました。

Google translation said:
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Hammerhai said:
When Classic Games selling well, are they on the (Full price)Charts(MC/Famitsu) or not?

There's no Full Price/All Price silliness in Japanese charts.

nli10 · Jun 15, 2007

The Innocent X said:
If it doesn`t then that makes it even more likely the streams will cross.

Are there copies of Blue Dragon still around? Enough to re-enter the chart if people are out picking up X360s?

JoshuaJSlone · Jun 15, 2007

cvxfreak said:
Did anyone take a peek at Dengeki's numbers for the previous week? I forgot to see what they had for Biohazard 4 Wii Edition. >_<

For its second week they have it at #10 though.

I did, but the Dengeki listings also show what a game did the previous week, so that's not really necessary. 2nd last week.

Ynos Yrros said:
PS3 sales won't go up when games start rolling in, you heard it here FIRST!

GameCube's didn't.

cvxfreak · Jun 15, 2007

Thank you donny!

Joshua, I was interested in having Dengeki's chart for the previous week because their summary always has the numbers for the top 5 or so games.

So now we know. Biohazard 4 Wii Edition, according to Dengeki, sold 51,000 in its launch week with a shipment of ~78,500 units.

kisakiproject · Jun 15, 2007

nli10 said:
Are there copies of Blue Dragon still around? Enough to re-enter the chart if people are out picking up X360s?

Yeah there are. The bundles have all been sold but its been slowly sellling if you look at famitsu 360 sells. BD ltd as of the most recent Famitsu 360 is 187,000. I wouldn't be suprised if some who were hesitant on 360 over that will pick it up with trusty bell. Maybe an outside chance it'll show up at like #50 or something, They should have released platinum blue dragon along side Trusty Bell. That would have done great, albiet a little soon to release that. Blue Dragon is, if there is a bit of a sustained TrustyBell, bump top 200,000 by the end of the summer. Considering the last famitsu 360 had it doing 4,000ish In 3 months wit a new rpg crowd coming to 360 it could easily reach MS goal of 200,000.

Jammy · Jun 15, 2007

I was expecting a lot more from Ninja Gaiden Sigma... It's the first PS3 game in how long?

QVT · Jun 15, 2007

kisakiproject said:
Yeah there are. The bundles have all been sold but its been slowly sellling if you look at famitsu 360 sells. BD ltd as of the most recent Famitsu 360 is 187,000. I wouldn't be suprised if some who were hesitant on 360 over that will pick it up with trusty bell. Maybe an outside chance it'll show up at like #50 or something, They should have released platinum blue dragon along side Trusty Bell. That would have done great, albiet a little soon to release that. Blue Dragon is, if there is a bit of a sustained TrustyBell, bump top 200,000 by the end of the summer. Considering the last famitsu 360 had it doing 4,000ish In 3 months wit a new rpg crowd coming to 360 it could easily reach MS goal of 200,000.

Interesting. Hopefully Trusty Bell debuts at number one

It'll be nice, although I'm 99% sure NGS is a better game, its the third release and that shouldn't warrant the same sales as the prettiest game I've ever seen which apparently is really fun according to john TV. Also, it'd be nice to see Blue Dragon sneak back up there somewhere.

Why does it always seem next weeks will be more interesting? :lol

jesusraz · Jun 15, 2007

cvxfreak said:
Thank you donny!

Joshua, I was interested in having Dengeki's chart for the previous week because their summary always has the numbers for the top 5 or so games.

So now we know. Biohazard 4 Wii Edition, according to Dengeki, sold 51,000 in its launch week with a shipment of ~78,500 units.

And if it sold ~18,000-19,000 this week at No.11 on the MC chart, that ties in just about. Hopefully more stock is being pumped into stores asap...(seems to be the case from what Vinnk saw).

Moor-Angol · Jun 15, 2007

I don't understand why people here say RE4Wii is out of stock...

cvxfreak · Jun 15, 2007

Moor-Angol said:
I don't understand why people here say RE4Wii is out of stock...

Because it is in a few stores.

Moor-Angol · Jun 15, 2007

I hope to find one this summer

But except Vinnk, who else said retailers have few stocks left ?
I know it's just a little part of the big market, but on Amazon.jp i saw RE4Wii going down days after days, if stocks were low price for used and new should have been high (check Kekkaishi for DS, probably it's out of stock cause it dropped fast after first week at #1 and on Amazon people is selling the game at 6-7000yen...)

nli10 · Jun 15, 2007

kisakiproject said:
Yeah there are. The bundles have all been sold but its been slowly sellling if you look at famitsu 360 sells. BD ltd as of the most recent Famitsu 360 is 187,000. I wouldn't be suprised if some who were hesitant on 360 over that will pick it up with trusty bell. Maybe an outside chance it'll show up at like #50 or something, They should have released platinum blue dragon along side Trusty Bell. That would have done great, albiet a little soon to release that. Blue Dragon is, if there is a bit of a sustained TrustyBell, bump top 200,000 by the end of the summer. Considering the last famitsu 360 had it doing 4,000ish In 3 months wit a new rpg crowd coming to 360 it could easily reach MS goal of 200,000.

I figure that a system purchase isn't based on a single title (certainly not for me) and that when I picked up my cheap Xbox crystal a couple of years back I got it with all those exclusive games that i'd been keeping my eyes on over the past few years.

I'm pretty sure that RPG fans will think similarly and pick up a couple of similar style titles at the same time, keeping Blue Dragon at full price means they see it as getting the system for two top titles.

I'm not sure that this combo will shift systems to the extent of the BD release (no where near a peak season), but I can see it hitting 10k, 20 might be a stretch. Can't see this lasting more than 2 weeks though.

It's not a stretch to see PS3 'bump' from its own game sales (it's no coincidence that Sony chose this week to actually release something) and should see 1 week of 15k sales before settling to that magical 10k rate again.

Should be an interesting race for 3rd place next week.

donny2112 · Jun 16, 2007

nli10 said:
Should be an interesting race for 4th place next week.

Fixed. You forgot the PSP.

Mrbob · Jun 16, 2007

Why does Japan hate Ninja Gaiden?

They let the game on Xbox bomb too.

Hopefully the DS version sells at least 100K.

ethelred · Jun 16, 2007

Mrbob said:
Why does Japan hate Ninja Gaiden?

They let the game on Xbox bomb too.

Hopefully the DS version sells at least 100K.

I imagine the PS3 version will outsell the DS version. That's what's so laughable about the way Nintendo console software performs sometimes.

It's pretty amazing that a tri-Crescendo game on the 360 outsold in its first day the lifetime sales of their most recent game on the GameCube.

carlos · Jun 16, 2007

hey now, was that a troll on baten kaitos origins?
you sir, are a very bad man....

but you speak the truth, sadly...

jj984jj · Jun 16, 2007

ethelred said:
I imagine the PS3 version will outsell the DS version. That's what's so laughable about the way Nintendo console software performs sometimes.

Tecmo should pay S-E to put their name on the box, maybe it'll help a bit. :lol

ethelred said:
It's pretty amazing that a tri-Crescendo game on the 360 outsold in its first day the lifetime sales of their most recent game on the GameCube.

With >10% of the user base.

Vinnk · Jun 16, 2007

Moor-Angol said:
I hope to find one this summer

But except Vinnk, who else said retailers have few stocks left ?
I know it's just a little part of the big market, but on Amazon.jp i saw RE4Wii going down days after days, if stocks were low price for used and new should have been high (check Kekkaishi for DS, probably it's out of stock cause it dropped fast after first week at #1 and on Amazon people is selling the game at 6-7000yen...)

My info is mearly observations from my town. I don't even pretend that is has a huge bearing on the rest of Jpaan. But another Japan gaffer who lives in a big city (Tokyo? Osaka?) said that sever game retailers were sold out of it as well. But as I sa in my report is is FAR from sold out. Go to any department store in Japan and you can find a copy. But some specialized game stores apparently had them sell faster than they anticipated.

Brofist · Jun 16, 2007

original quote said:
PS3 sales won't go up when games start rolling in, you heard it here FIRST!

JoshuaJSlone said:
GameCube's didn't.

that's because the games never rolled in on the Gamecube :lol

donny2112 · Jun 16, 2007

kpop100 said:
that's because the games never rolled in on the Gamecube

Why is it that you expect games to "roll in" on a pathetically selling system (third parties won't be coming in droves) that is extremely complex/advanced (games, in general, take a long time/big budget to develop)? GameCube was cheap for ports and had more established first-party hits. Frankly, GameCube was in a much better position, overall games-wise, than the PS3 is in right now. The PS3's only hope for right now is the fact that it happens to be the successor to the PS2, so a lot of developers were already in a mindset to develop for it. There is no chance in heck of that continuing to be perpetuated with the current sales levels, though.

It's possible the PS3 won't even see a GameCube-level number of games (500) in the next five years and almost definite that it won't sniff the PS2 level of number of games (1500). Games gonna come "rolling in?" Uh, no.

justjohn · Jun 16, 2007

do you guys think team ninja will be dissapointed with sigma's sales?

AniHawk · Jun 16, 2007

justjohn said:
do you guys think team ninja will be dissapointed with sigma's sales?

Sure, why not.

Brofist · Jun 16, 2007

donny2112 said:
Why is it that you expect games to "roll in" on a pathetically selling system (third parties won't be coming in droves) that is extremely complex/advanced (games, in general, take a long time/big budget to develop)? GameCube was cheap for ports and had more established first-party hits. Frankly, GameCube was in a much better position, overall games-wise, than the PS3 is in right now. The PS3's only hope for right now is the fact that it happens to be the successor to the PS2, so a lot of developers were already in a mindset to develop for it. There is no chance in heck of that continuing to be perpetuated with the current sales levels, though.

It's possible the PS3 won't even see a GameCube-level number of games (500) in the next five years and almost definite that it won't sniff the PS2 level of number of games (1500). Games gonna come "rolling in?" Uh, no.

WTF are you talking about. There are already more high profile games announced for the PS3 than there were for the entire GC generation. Your post is entirely laughable. It's as if you wrote is only basing it on MC and NPD numbers, but disregarding actual info we know about games coming out.　Less than the number of GC games? You are ****ing high.

AniHawk · Jun 16, 2007

kpop100 said:
WTF are you talking about. There are already more high profile games announced for the PS3 than there were for the entire GC generation. Your post is entirely laughable. It's as if you wrote is only basing it on MC and NPD numbers, but disregarding actual info we know about games coming out.　Less than the number of GC games? You are ****ing high.

I know what you're thinking, but nothing from Naughty Dog post 2002 should ever count as "high profile."

Unless you want to start including the Mario Party games as high profile titles too or something.

Luckily, anything from Insomniac counts as two or three titles. Their games are just that awesome.

Pureauthor · Jun 16, 2007

*claps hands*

Yay, list wars! Nerd fight!

ziran · Jun 16, 2007

Generally, I have noticed Sony fans are exhibiting incredibly selective recollections of what actually happened in previous generations. They can't even remember the consistency of the console making the most mistakes early on always finishing last with a limited installed base.

Brofist · Jun 16, 2007

AniHawk said:
I know what you're thinking, but nothing from Naughty Dog post 2002 should ever count as "high profile."

Unless you want to start including the Mario Party games as high profile titles or something.

I know your feeling on Jak 2 and on

To be honest I never really got into them myself.

Mostly 3rd party is where I'm coming from. Pick any major 3rd party, and most likely they have already shown a wider selection of games already announced than for all of the GC generation (except arguably Capcom)

Pureauthor said:
*claps hands*

Yay, list wars! Nerd fight!

not going there..nuh uh nope

AniHawk · Jun 16, 2007

kpop100 said:
I know your feeling on Jak 2 and on To be honest I never really got into them myself.

Mostly 3rd party is where I'm coming from. Pick any major 3rd party, and most likely they have already shown a wider selection of games already announced than for all of the GC generation (except arguably Capcom)

Capcom and Namco (WTF was that all about?). And maybe Sega too, I guess.

EDIT: No, seriously. Nintendo and Namco were on really bad terms after the whole Tengen ordeal during the NES era. Namco leads the charge away from Nintendo by putting Ridge Racer, Tekken, and other high profile titles on the Playstation. 8 years after that, they're making all kinds of games for the thing. I'd like to hear the story behind all that.

Brofist · Jun 16, 2007

AniHawk said:
Capcom and Namco (WTF was that all about?). And maybe Sega too, I guess.

ah yeah Sega

ethelred · Jun 16, 2007

I'm not exactly the biggest fan of the GameCube, but to suggest that the PS3 right now has more high profile announced games than the GameCube had during its entire lifespan is just ridiculous.

That being said...

donny2112 said:
In five years? Almost guaranteed. The fact you won't see that makes it all the more hilarious. :lol

Edit:
For the number of games, I'm talking about games in stores and, thus, not including PSN titles.

The PS3 will almost surely have more games total than the GameCube had. There's almost no question here. The nature of the multiplatform environment we're operating in now assures that.

donny2112 · Jun 16, 2007

kpop100 said:
There are already more high profile games announced for the PS3 than there were for the entire GC generation.

:lol :lol :lol

kpop100 said:
Less than the number of GC games?

In five years? Almost guaranteed. The fact you won't see that makes it all the more hilarious. :lol

Edit:
For the number of games, I'm talking about games in stores and, thus, not including PSN titles.

titiklabingapat · Jun 16, 2007

kpop100 said:
I know your feeling on Jak 2 and on To be honest I never really got into them myself.

Mostly 3rd party is where I'm coming from. Pick any major 3rd party, and most likely they have already shown a wider selection of games already announced than for all of the GC generation (except arguably Capcom)

not going there..nuh uh nope

You're assuming third parties are still essential to the Wii's success.

Haunted · Jun 16, 2007

Wow, kpop was always pretty hateful, but that statement is just really off.

donny2112 · Jun 16, 2007

titiklabingapat said:
You're assuming third parties are still essential to the Wii's success.

I would say they're essential to the WII getting PS2-like numbers for total hardware and software, but they're not essential for the WII to simply "win" over the next five years. Helpful? Yes. Essential like they were for the PS1 and PS2? No.

titiklabingapat · Jun 16, 2007

donny2112 said:
I would say they're essential to the WII getting PS2-like numbers for total hardware and software, but they're not essential for the WII to simply "win" over the next five years. Helpful? Yes. Essential like they were for the PS1 and PS2? No.

Exactly. It's probably the reason why Nintendo is still not forsaking them and taking them for granted. Not yet anyway:

In my view in light of new numbers and the current situation, Nintendo can sit comfortably without courting the third parties anymore. It's the third party's turn to make an offer.

Michan · Jun 16, 2007

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donny2112 · Jun 16, 2007

titiklabingapat said:
In my view in light of new numbers and the current situation, Nintendo can sit comfortably without courting the third parties anymore. It's the third party's turn to make an offer.

Nintendo can do that, but they shouldn't. They shouldn't be happy with simply "winning" this generation. They should continue to court third-party developers, which is something that Iwata has shown great initiative with. Also, Nintendo's goal of bringing video games to everyone means that they need third-parties to help them do that. For the sheer quantity of games, if nothing else.

titiklabingapat · Jun 16, 2007

donny2112 said:
Nintendo can do that, but they shouldn't. They shouldn't be happy with simply "winning" this generation. They should continue to court third-party developers, which is something that Iwata has shown great initiative with. Also, Nintendo's goal of bringing video games to everyone means that they need third-parties to help them do that. For the sheer quantity of games, if nothing else.

I'm sure they won't, they're smarter than that. I was just saying just in case, however unlikely, things turn for the worse(that is, third parties completely ignoring the Wii altogether for whatever reason). And that third parties can no longer afford to snub Wii because Nintendo don't need them anymore but they definitely want them.

Phife Dawg said:
As ethel has pointed out with third party games mostly going the way of multiplat I don't think it's possible for PS3 to have fewer games than GC when everything is said and done. They will mostly get ported from the 360 as the lead plattform I guess (at least for western games) but in no way will publishers shun the PS3 out of their business. Not when neither have a large worldwide userbase anyways.

But how long can they sustain that? It's starting to look like the Wii will surpass the combined totals of the 360/PS3 sooner than expected(and then some), probably within a year. PC ports are more or less inconsequential for a variety of reasons.

Phife Dawg · Jun 16, 2007

donny2112 said:
Why is it that you expect games to "roll in" on a pathetically selling system (third parties won't be coming in droves) that is extremely complex/advanced (games, in general, take a long time/big budget to develop)? GameCube was cheap for ports and had more established first-party hits. Frankly, GameCube was in a much better position, overall games-wise, than the PS3 is in right now. The PS3's only hope for right now is the fact that it happens to be the successor to the PS2, so a lot of developers were already in a mindset to develop for it. There is no chance in heck of that continuing to be perpetuated with the current sales levels, though.

It's possible the PS3 won't even see a GameCube-level number of games (500) in the next five years and almost definite that it won't sniff the PS2 level of number of games (1500). Games gonna come "rolling in?" Uh, no.

As ethel has pointed out with third party games mostly going the way of multiplat I don't think it's possible for PS3 to have fewer games than GC when everything is said and done. They will mostly get ported from the 360 as the lead plattform I guess (at least for western games) but in no way will publishers shun the PS3 out of their business. Not when neither have a large worldwide userbase anyways.

kpop100 said:
WTF are you talking about. There are already more high profile games announced for the PS3 than there were for the entire GC generation. Your post is entirely laughable. It's as if you wrote is only basing it on MC and NPD numbers, but disregarding actual info we know about games coming out.　Less than the number of GC games? You are ****ing high.

That's equally laughable though.

Moor-Angol · Jun 16, 2007

Vinnk said:
My info is mearly observations from my town. I don't even pretend that is has a huge bearing on the rest of Jpaan. But another Japan gaffer who lives in a big city (Tokyo? Osaka?) said that sever game retailers were sold out of it as well. But as I sa in my report is is FAR from sold out. Go to any department store in Japan and you can find a copy. But some specialized game stores apparently had them sell faster than they anticipated.

Ok, thanks for explanation, it was not my intention to discuss your efforts, i just wanted to know the situation and only remember about your post, MC topics are always huge and i miss some replies sometimes

quetz67 · Jun 16, 2007

Who thinks software support will just all leave PS3 and go to Nintendo is stupid past believe. Game support will split up between PS3/360 and Wii (to say it the hard way, most low profile games will go to the Wii, most ambitious teams trying to push boundaries will develop for 360/PS3).

Games will sell on Wii, no question, but the fight for 3rd party game sales will be a tough one against overshadowing first party games and the load of crap games from other 3rd parties. Quality 3rd party games will in many cases be overlooked or just be crushed by some stupid mini game collections.

PS3 (and 360) will of course loose exclusives as the high development costs wont be returned from one platform alone (probably we will see some watered down ports to Wii to make some quick money, which will in most cases probably be totally different games by different teams) but as much as a PS3 exclusive makes no sense any longer it is the same for 360 exclusives (besides huge money hats).

Add to that PC games that are of course developed for the latest in hardware (they dont care about a last gen video game console), those who will be ported will be either ported to PS3/360 alone or to Wii in addition to that (besides a bunch of Point&Click adventures that will grace the Wii)

Anyway, even if the Wii gets the majority of games this time, I can see which teams the talented and ambitious programmers and artist will go to. Actually I think the Sega quote about games looking dated is probably not that much targeted at gamers, but a problem to find enough developers willing to code for last gen hardware any longer.

But who wants to go the quantity instead of quality road will probably be quite happy with the Wii only, it is nice to join the masses and I am sure some of the Nintendo 1st party games will really shine (even a lot if you include the rehashes like Mario Party)

and to join the dicussion a little more on point. I think Sony's studios alone can and will put out more high profile games than the GC had last gen (I loved my GC and its 'high profile games', but were there more than a dozen or so?)

Blablurn · Jun 16, 2007

oh japan :/

noooooooooooooooooooooooooo

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