Yeah, it doesn't make much sense to assume that third parties will be filling up your release schedule when there is zero history of this occurring. It's all well and good to hope for that, but it would be very stupid to base your development schedule around it.charlequin said:
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Media-Create Sales: Apr 27-May 3
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Katana_Strikes
Member
I'm guessing another ~5000 sales again this week for Valkyria. I really didn't think it would stick around so well even with the anime.
Great job though. Fully deserved.
Great job though. Fully deserved.
DeaconKnowledge
Member
botticus said:
Nintendo always does this though. It happened with the DS, Cube, and N64, and those are just the ones I remember.
Nintendo releases software in bunches at first to give it its land legs, then scales back development and generally third parties take over. They did this with the DS (in fact I remember a thread that stated that Nintendo was scaling back DS releases to focus on Wii, and as usual it turned into a bitchfest that actually died down quickly because there were still 3rd party games to buy).
The only major difference between the DS and Wii in this regard is as markatisu said; while Brain Age and Nintendogs floated the DS, Wii Music and AC: CF didn't, which made the third party drought the Wii suffered from look that much worse.
The NA situation (different market I know, but the principle still applies) plays to this as well; Nintendo assumed that their earlier barrage would have carried them through until next year, the bitching started en masse (and in turn was fueled by Nintendo themselves, recall the "Core gamers are insatiable" comments?) then produced a Q4 with Wii Music and City Folk as their big titles.
What released from third Parties of note? Shy of CoD: WaW, I can't really recall much. the Nintendo drought then (and now, in Japan) wouldn't have been maligned even half as much as it has been if Nintendo either:
Had 3rd parties filling in the schedule
Had titles that managed to carry them through thin periods to the degree that the mega DS hits did.
Nobody in these threads was bitching when Nintendo was pulling in 40K a week just off the back of Wii Fit, and the release schedule was still thin.
DeaconKnowledge
Member
Busaiku said:
In NA most assuredly. However the "hardcore" were still crowing about being neglected, because let's face it, core gamers ARE insatiable.
In Japan, it's a different case. City Folk and Music aren't carrying the Wii to the degree that the DS hits did, and with such a thin 3rd party release schedule, the incentive to buy Wii is based solely on what's already been released, and what's in the future. Wii in Japan is in a holding pattern right now, and i'm willing to bet that Nintendo gambled (and lost) on the idea of third parties showing more support than they have by this point.
DeaconKnowledge said:
I know people like to bash third parties but Nintendo did have some help in other regions:
GHWT and sustained sales of RB1, Shaun White Snowboarding, NERF, Jillian Fitness alongside CoD WaW kept the business going off the back of Wii Fit and Mario Kart, and My Fitness Coach and Lego Star Wars (2 years running) stepped up to fill the void quite nicely from Jan-Mar.
Third parties regardless of how poor quality or commercially compared to the HD twins benefited and at least patched the void in the US and EU, that is far different than the barren wasteland of JP
So their idea worked in 2/3 of the world
DeaconKnowledge
Member
markatisu said:
I legitimately couldn't remember what released, but yes, I agree totally.
Saint Gregory
Member
I don't participate in these threads very much but I do check them out almost every week and I always wonder why I never see any discussion on the state of DS software? The hardware is still moving admirably but I can remember when even seemingly minor DS releases would debut with first weeks in the six figure range and the top 1-10 was all DS. I know that the PSP has taken back some of the handheld market and piracy may be eating into sales somewhat but it still doesn't account for what seems like a huge dropoff (at least in the top 30) for DS software.
tetrisgrammaton
Member
it seems like about time for another mario party
charlequin
Banned
botticus said:
and you are extremely terrible at third-party relations
DeaconKnowledge said:
Right, because their strategy was working. One shouldn't let one's mouth write checks their ass can't cash.
And don't flip this around to a "who could know that Wii Music would bomb" thing. The fact that Wii Music fails to deliver on a desirable expanded-market premise the way that Wii Sports and Wii Fit do was clear to plenty of people the day they announced it. They just fucked up and their software strategy is 100% dependent on every single expanded-market idea they have being solid-gold genius, when clearly they can really only deliver like 75% solid-gold genius. :lol
DeaconKnowledge said:
I'd like to make one comment on this: They may not be selling poorly in NA, but they as hell should be IMO. NOA has done an absolutely horrible job of getting content out here. Know what would have helped in the drought upon seeing 3rd parties are dragging ass?
/insert JP and EU only list of games
Yeah, there's over half a dozen or so that never came out here. Disaster and FF are only a couple of particularly glaring exemptions from our release schedule. And you know what? It's dumb as shit. They could have easily been released here as filler during a time period when they realize things are going to be slowing down, but they haven't done that.
This is the #1 market for the Wii in the world and they're withholding content from us? Are they out of their minds?
By and large, I think Nintendo made some really smart decisions at the start of this gen but they have been ignorant as hell with their follow-through.
/rant
Just throwing it out there, could the wii be selling less because it has sold so many already?
I mean come on, the Wii shattered records everywhere, its not going to sell at a constant rate like some of you fanboys might hope for. Can it do better? Fuck yea, does it need to at this exact time? No. Sony isnt releasing anything, MS isnt releasing anything, shit if anything Nintendo has held a nice steady ground throughout this year without giving up much ground to the other 2.
Even when Nintendo releases the next Mario or Mario Kart, etc I dont expect the Wii to do monster numbers like when it first came out. I expect a nice bump and HUGE SW numbers but thats it.
We got to realize that its possible that so many people, like the audience who wanted one has one, already have a Wii(in JP) and that it'll now hold a steady number and receive bumps when games come out. Didnt gaf already name Japan a handheld territory and that consoles are dead there?
I mean come on, the Wii shattered records everywhere, its not going to sell at a constant rate like some of you fanboys might hope for. Can it do better? Fuck yea, does it need to at this exact time? No. Sony isnt releasing anything, MS isnt releasing anything, shit if anything Nintendo has held a nice steady ground throughout this year without giving up much ground to the other 2.
Even when Nintendo releases the next Mario or Mario Kart, etc I dont expect the Wii to do monster numbers like when it first came out. I expect a nice bump and HUGE SW numbers but thats it.
We got to realize that its possible that so many people, like the audience who wanted one has one, already have a Wii(in JP) and that it'll now hold a steady number and receive bumps when games come out. Didnt gaf already name Japan a handheld territory and that consoles are dead there?
Don't worry everyone- I will be in Tokyo two weeks from today and will provide everyone with a succinct and insightful report as to the status of the Wii in Japan.
Expect "Schuelma's Honeymoon Report" coming your way in approximately 3 weeks*
*pending the cooperation of the future mrs. schuelma
Expect "Schuelma's Honeymoon Report" coming your way in approximately 3 weeks*
*pending the cooperation of the future mrs. schuelma
test_account
XP-39C²
That is true, but you also got a Monster Hunter 3 demo thoughmarkatisu said:
test_account
XP-39C²
Align in what way? Which product between FF Advent Children Bluray and MH G Wii that has most value/that people would have bought the most of if the FF13 and MH3 demos were included?Vinci said:
test_account said:
The same as they're doing now: Advent Children on Blu-Ray. When I said 'align,' I meant in terms of removing the demos and placing it as product vs. product. The two products of these items are Advent Children and MH G. Anyone stating that AC wouldn't push the PS3's sales, in and of itself, is kidding themselves. The demo is icing to the cake.
test_account
XP-39C²
Ok, i understandVinci said:
Ye, AC alone (not the FF13 demo) probably pushed the PS3 hardware some, i agre, but i wonder if the PS3 would have sold like it has done now compared to if AC didnt include the FF13 demo at all. There is a AC version for sale that doesnt include the FF13 demo as well, but i guess we dont have any numbers on how many copies each of the AC versions sold. I wonder the sam about MHG for the Wii, i wonder on how much copies it would have sold and how the Wii hardware sales would have been if it wasnt for the MH3 demo. If most people bought MH G Wii for the MH3 demo, for the bundled controller or for the MH G game itself, or all of these things combined
Classic_Gs
Member
And Sony is still outselling Nintendo, let the momentum continue!
test_account said:Ok, i understand
There was very little difference in the price of the two versions, so there was no strong barrier to picking up the demo version.
I wonder the sam about MHG for the Wii, i wonder on how much copies it would have sold and how the Wii hardware sales would have been if it wasnt for the MH3 demo. If most people bought MH G Wii for the MH3 demo, for the bundled controller or for the MH G game itself, or all of these things combined
I would say that this had more to do with the demo and controller. MH G doesn't strike me as a remarkably desirable product given its history.
Vinci said:
MHG does have one redeeming factor, it will be online when the PS2 version goes offline for good. But I would say the controller was more the motivating factor in purchase. MH fans tend to really go for that stuff, hence all the art books, cd's, manga, and other licensed items.
The MH3 demo while completely awesome is seriously two quests, you have next to nothing to do as you would in a real MH game (you cannot shop, you cannot use any of the items you get in the quest to make new weapons/armor, you cannot go online or even play split screen co-op which is a big draw in MH3) except for killing the two monsters in areas not all that different from MHG forest and hill zones (you can go underwater but there are like 4 dumb sea animals and no real enemies).
I could see people waiting just for the MH3 game as the demo is a severe cocktease to any real hardcore player.
With that said I think Capcom will be very happy with the sales of MHG, its trending higher than the PS2 release and if it shows any legs (due to online play) it might very well be one of the Wii's top releases.
DeaconKnowledge said:
They said exactly this in their financial briefing. They said that their intentional plan was to push the first 1-2 years of the DS and Wii with big first party titles to build the userbase where third-party titles can sell. On the DS, it worked. On the Wii, third-parties took stupid pills.
botticus said:
DS
Saint Gregory said:
I've discussed it some. The general Japanese software dropoff since 2007 has almost been 100% the result of the more specific DS software dropoff. I think a lot of it has to do with the fact that the DS isn't sold out, anymore, so people aren't waiting in line every Saturday to buy a DS and, while they're there, picking up some new games. That and not a whole lot of big stuff seems to be getting released on the DS, lately. This year, there's been Mario & Luigi 3 and Pokemon Mystery Dungeon: The Third Game. Thinking about it now, I think this is Dragon Quest IX's fault. Publishers probably sought to avoid DQIX's release, so with its late delay, the schedule is kind of empty.
oneHeero said:
No.
schuelma said:
Congratulations, again.
You're going to buy a Famitsu magazine, aren't you.Totobeni said:
Is it selling well compared to the competition? I guess.
Is it selling well? No.
Narcosis said:
Yup, right now WSR is the only one that requires M+. Every other game announced can be played without (Grand Slam Tennis even works to even the field between those who have M+ when they play those who do not), Red Steel 2 might be the only other one to require it
Problem with Japan is right now WSR is the only big game for the region, the US and EU have considerably stronger M+ lineups
pseudocaesar
Member
So is the Wii genuinely slowing down, or is this just a "Wow, 200k, remember in 09 when it only sold 15k average Lulz". I wonder if the other continents will start to slow down too. Then again, they have a price cut up their sleeve.
Liabe Brave
Member
Wii will go back up when there's software coming out for it. No one knows for sure if it will go back up as high as it used to be, and if they say they do they're scamming you. My guess, though, would be "Yes, it will basically go all the way back up to where it was."pseudocaesar said:
test_account
XP-39C²
Wasnt the version of AC with the FF13 demo 1000 yen (about 10 US dollars) more expencive than the AC version that didnt inlcude the FF13 demo? If yes, although it isnt exacly that much money, it is still some money, at least in my opinion, but i guess that "very little" can be relative thoughVinci said:
But ye, i agree that the pric difference isnt really that big and that i dont see too many reasons to not get the AC version that includes the FF13 version, especially if you are a Final Fantasy fan.Ye, i think so too. I also wonder if MH G Wii can be a selling point in itself. I mean, there are probably several of people who first started with MHP2G for the PSP and like the game very much. Maybe they want to check out a console Monster Hunter as well, and then MH G Wii is probably the console MH game that it is easiest to find for sale right nowVinci said:
Flying_Phoenix
Banned
Hmm...pretty different between Famitsu and Media Create.
Either way it looks as if Monster Hunter G performed at or possibly a little beyond expectations as it will definately past the 200k mark. Remember people it was a 3rd release of a PS2 game.
Either way it looks as if Monster Hunter G performed at or possibly a little beyond expectations as it will definately past the 200k mark. Remember people it was a 3rd release of a PS2 game.
speculawyer
Member
Why is the Japanese chart always like it is from another planet? Are they really that different than Europe & the USA?
Saint Gregory said:
Don't worry, it'll come roaring back this summer. The DS is literally without peer for the next few months, what with huge hitters like Kingdom Hearts 358/2 Days, Gyakuten Kenji and Dragon Quest IX. PSP has only minor titles like Yuusha30, Hatsune Miku: Project Diva and My Summer Vacation 4. The PS3 and XB360 fare even worse, what with Dynasty Warriors 5 Empires (another one???), King of Fighters XII and Agarest Senki Zero (PS3) and Gears of War 2 (XB360). The Wii comes in dead last, since until end of July thee's only GC re-issues like Metroid Prime 2 and Chibi-Robo and Arc Rise Fantasia. Ugh.
The dog days of summer, indeed.
jeremy1456
Junior Member
RyuKanSan said:
According to Famitsu it did.
Media Create numbers are generally more accepted 'round these parts though.