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[Onesimos]

I'm suprised Monster Hunter 3 didn't rear its head. Must've been entirely frontloaded... that's a bit of a shame.

If Monster Hunter 3 is to reach one million sales in Japan, it needs to have enough sales to make it appear in the Top 50. Look at Monster Hunter Freedom Unite, while no longer in the Top 10 or Top 20 it is still in the Top 50 list and has sold over three million copies in Japan. It is the PSP's highest-selling game and only million seller.

 

[JoshuaJSlone]

630.000 in Japan. I don't know if the WW number is correct.

Whaaa? Between Xbox and Xbox 360?

This might not be true anymore, but as of a few months ago I think mk wii was slightly ahead of mk ds

Close enough we can't tell at the default size. Up the size and limit the time shown and we can see MK Wii is still ahead, but won't be for long. I'd say it would be behind within a month, but even a tiny holiday bump could push it back.

 

[markatisu]

I wouldn't knock Tales of Graces. New Super Mario Bros. and the holidays gave the Wii a massive push. I don't remember seeing that many Wii games in the top 50 ever honestly. I'm suprised Monster Hunter 3 didn't rear its head. Must've been entirely frontloaded... that's a bit of a shame.

If 2 1/2-3 months in the Top 30 is front loaded then yeah it was front loaded. I think you were trying to imply that its a shame MH3 was not an evergreen title

But score with FFXIII bringing PS3 to large hardware sales and the Wii doing amazing with NSMB we are back to talking about MH3 :lol

 

[grandjedi6]

Right now, I really just hope that Spirit Tracks will not bomb. And by that, I mean that LTD should at least be 500k. At least.

What? Why would Spirit Tracks bomb? Phantom Hourglass did very well after all. And I'm sure it'll eventually make 500k, considering previous Zelda sales.

 

[Jokeropia]

Maybe Nintendo are thinking that they'll gain more by having a great holiday than they'll lose by having a poor Q1. Major presence on the charts during December is worth a lot more absolute sales than major presence on the charts during February.

I dunno, I'm just speculating here.

 

[gerg]

Maybe Nintendo are thinking that they'll gain more by having a great holiday than they'll lose by having a poor Q1. Major presence on the charts during December is worth a lot more absolute sales than major presence on the charts during February.

I dunno, I'm just speculating here.

Software-wise, I don't know what Nintendo is exactly thinking.

But hardware-wise, undoubtedly they're hoping that NSMB Wii holds up. Maybe they'll introduce a new colour, or a new SKU.

 

[KtSlime]

I can't believe I am 7th for Units and 3rd in points, lucky guesses I guess. There aren't any predictions for this week right? How about the next round?

 

[thestopsign]

Right now, I really just hope that Spirit Tracks will not bomb. And by that, I mean that LTD should at least be 500k. At least.

500k LTD for Spirit Tracks would be an outright bomb. Phantom Hourglass did over 900k LTD in Japan, and was widely considered adored by the general public. I'd say Spirit Tracks has a chance of surpassing Phantom Hourglass, and maybe hitting 1mil. For now though, I'm predicting ~850k for the game, and maybe 300k FW.

 

[Onesimos]

500k LTD for Spirit Tracks would be an outright bomb. Phantom Hourglass did over 900k LTD in Japan, and was widely considered adored by the general public. I'd say Spirit Tracks has a chance of surpassing Phantom Hourglass, and maybe hitting 1mil. For now though, I'm predicting ~850k for the game, and maybe 300k FW.

Since Spirit Tracks was released a few days before Christmas Day and more than a week before New Year's Day (an important holiday in Japan), it may have a chance to sell very well in its first week, perhaps outselling Phantom Hourglass in total sales. It would be impressive if it sold over one million copies, something that no Zelda game has ever done since Ocarina of Time, the best-selling game in the series domestically and worldwide.

 

[sphinx]

I could swear ZeldaH is already a million seller in Japan.

Sucks to not have the numbers at hand.

 

[JoshuaJSlone]

I could swear ZeldaH is already a million seller in Japan.

Sucks to not have the numbers at hand.

Famitsu has it at just over 900K through the end of last year. Sold less than 70K in 2008, so it's not one I'd guess has chugged past a million out of sight.

 

[JoshuaJSlone]

Based on this week's Media Create hardware numbers...
DS vs PSP: Weekly shares of 69.0 / 31.0 bring total shares to 68.3 / 31.7. If DS stopped selling and PSP continued at this week's rate, it would catch up in 187.4 weeks (July 24, 2013).

X360 vs PS3: Weekly shares of 3.6 / 96.4 bring total shares to 21.9 / 78.1. If PS3 stopped selling and X360 continued at this week's rate, it would catch up in 343.6 weeks (July 22, 2016).

PS3 vs Wii: Weekly shares of 55.3 / 44.7 bring total shares to 31.7 / 68.3. At this week's rates, PS3 catches up to Wii in 109.6 weeks (January 27, 2012). If Wii stopped selling and PS3 continued at this week's rate, it would catch up in 20.9 weeks (May 16, 2010).

Week over week, FF XIII explodes the PS3, DS and Wii get a hefty bump, and everything else wallows about.

Through the first fifty-one weeks of the year, overall sales are down. However, the systems can be split into camps of 3 up and 3 down. Here's how the year-to-date year-over-year percents stand as of now.

Wii: -36.0%
DS family: +1.7%
PS2: -56.1%
PS3: +76.9%
PSP family: -40.2%
X360: +18.7%

Home hardware: -10.4%
Portable hardware: -18.9%

Nintendo hardware: -14.3%
Sony hardware: -19.6%

Sum of all hardware: -15.7%

Last year:

This year:

 

[Onesimos]

PS3 vs Wii: Weekly shares of 55.3 / 44.7 bring total shares to 31.7 / 68.3. At this week's rates, PS3 catches up to Wii in 109.6 weeks (January 27, 2012). If Wii stopped selling and PS3 continued at this week's rate, it would catch up in 20.9 weeks (May 16, 2011).

20.9 weeks is May 16, 2010, not May 16, 2011.

 

[LINK.AGE76]

Was so close with my predictions

So besides Zelda ST, what are notable releases this week?

 

[apujanata]

500k LTD for Spirit Tracks would be an outright bomb. Phantom Hourglass did over 900k LTD in Japan, and was widely considered adored by the general public. I'd say Spirit Tracks has a chance of surpassing Phantom Hourglass, and maybe hitting 1mil. For now though, I'm predicting ~850k for the game, and maybe 300k FW.

I have a feeling that Spirit Tracks wouldn't reach 805K LTD. I am predicting it to sell significantly worse than PH, something around 500 - 700K. The only redeeming feature of Spirit Tracks is it feature trains, and Japans are nuts about train (remember those train games that sell well in Japan, together with horse racing games ?)

I played both PH and ST (and also every Zelda game except those on GB, like Link's Awakening), and ST is much less interesting than PH. In fact, the train part is more frustrating and annoying than Wind Waker's treasure hunt and PH's ship fight. Not being able to bomb the enemy train to pulp is very, very irritating.

 

[EDarkness]

If Monster Hunter 3 is to reach one million sales in Japan, it needs to have enough sales to make it appear in the Top 50. Look at Monster Hunter Freedom Unite, while no longer in the Top 10 or Top 20 it is still in the Top 50 list and has sold over three million copies in Japan. It is the PSP's highest-selling game and only million seller.

Monster Hunter 3 Tri got MASSIVE trade ins. Man, you can buy that game used for $10 now and there are tons of copies out there. I wonder how many people actually even kept the game, it just seems like everyone played it for a little bit, then traded it in...?

 

[Michan]

630.000 in Japan. I don't know if the WW number is correct.

:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

 

[SatelliteOfLove]

Tales got pwned

NOW it's applicable. :lol

 

[Onesimos]

Was so close with my predictions

So besides Zelda ST, what are notable releases this week?

There is the Japanese release of Assassin's Creed: Bloodlines (PSP), Metal Slug XX (PSP), and Atlier Lina (NDS).

 

[Parmenides]

Damn, after seeing Famitsu/MC sales this quote comes to mind:

"On the other hand, price-drops for other second-place and third-place systems previously did not really spike sales all that much. Should we consider price-dropping a Sony trade secret that only works for Sony regardless of their position and never works for anyone else".So it's time to ask the question :

Does price matter ?

PS3  Sales                  Price                    Weeks

    
1,246,202                 49,980 Yen                  52 
           
2,028,752                 39,980 Yen                  95 
            
1,001,532                 29,980 Yen                  16            


LTD                                                                             
4,276,486                                            163

Source: Media Create

Let's make a fair comparison


PS3 Slim vs PS2 (2003)

Week               PS3                     PS2 (2003)

36                151,873                   29,200

37                55,344                    29,900 

38                51,055                    28,100

39                39,960                    29,100

40                37,538                    27,500

41                30,896                    24,700

42                30,231                    26,900

43                29,997                    26,200

44                36,061                    25,400

45                48,925                    21,500

46                38,498                    60,300

47                34,752                    53,500

48                46,558                    87,200

49                57,782                    105,500

50                75,086                    116,400

51               237,086                    160,100


YTD             1,001,532                   851,500




Price           29,980 Yen                 25,000 Yen

                                           19,800 Yen (November 13, 2003)


Source:Media Create (2003,2009)

Price drop has spurred software sales...

Final Fantasy XIII  1.51 m

Pro Ev Soc  2010    350k   

Tales of Vesperia   312k

Mobile Suit Gundam  210k

Bayonetta           183k

Tekken 6            155k

Modern Warfare 2    117k


Source:Famitsu

...Famitsu/Enterbrain got owned

Final Fantasy XIII Sales Forecasts (Domestic sales)



Famitsu            1.0-1.5 m

M Create           1.7-1.8 m

Square-Enix          2.0 m

Tokyo Securities     >2.2 m

Conclusion

Price cut worked.Publishers knew what was going on...

Tecmo Koei asks Sony to "please cut the price" of PS3

The CEO of newly-formed publisher Tecmo Koei has said that he would "welcome" a price cut on the PlayStation 3."Whenever I discuss this with Sony reps I always ask them: 'Please cut the price'," Kenji Matsubara told CVG in an interview. "From a publisher's point of view we would welcome a price cut for PS3 and we are waiting, definitely," he added.

"It's definitely a way of boosting the PS3 market, but it's Sony's strategy and I don't know their cost structure. Sony introduced cutting-edge technology in the PS3, that's why people in the industry accept that the PS3 cost is so high, but we'd welcome a price cut.

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/tecmo-koei-asks-sony-to-please-cut-the-price-of-ps3



Yoichi Wada Not Worried About Final Fantasy XIII Sales

Wada, speaking during a financial briefing on the 5th, rejected the possibility of FFXIII not selling well domestically.According to the site, Wada used the sales patterns of FFX and FFXII to support his case for strong FFXIII sales. When FFX was released in 2001, the PS2 had a user base of 4.7 million systems domestically. The game went on to sell 2.3 million units in its first three months of release. Years later, at the time of FFXII's 2006 release, the PS2 had a 18.9 million unit user base. FFXII sold 2.2 million units, or around the same level of FFX.

If XIII sells to the same percentage of users as X did back in 2001, it will see sales in the millions.

Said Wada, "PS3 sales continue to increase. We're bundling PS3 and FFXIII, and can expect even further sales increases. Orders for FFXIII are definitely not bad."

http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2009/11/06/wada_expects_strong_ffxiii_sales/

Publishers getting that wake up call was a good thing,they are going to show PS3 stronger support,particularly Square-Enix.

Square Enix sees big impact from PS3 cut next year

* Big boost from PS3 cut likely to come in 2010/11-president

"In terms of the impact (the PS3 cut) will have on this financial year's earnings, I don't think there will be a major difference," Wada said. "But I expect there to be a big impact from next year."

http://uk.reuters.com/article/idUKT...SS&feedName=technology-media-telco-SP&sp=true

Comgnet pre-order rankings show stronger support for PS3.Sooner o later,NSMB Wii will lose momentum ...then Nintendo Wii’s weakness will be exposed.

http://www.comgnet.com/ranking/

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&sl=ja&tl=en&u=http://www.comgnet.com/ranking

 

[Takuhi]

This blog has sales numbers on the top 41:
http://thedrill.no-blog.jp/dblog/2009/12/200912141220_21.html

24,700/158,300 for Tales of Graces

I don't follow the MC threads religiously, so forgive me if this is a banned site or this is being discussed elsewhere.

 

[Chris1964]

Let's make a fair comparison


PS3 Slim vs PS2 (2003)

Week               PS3                     PS2 (2003)

36                151,873                   29,200

37                55,344                    29,900 

38                51,055                    28,100

39                39,960                    29,100

40                37,538                    27,500

41                30,896                    24,700

42                30,231                    26,900

43                29,997                    26,200

44                36,061                    25,400

45                48,925                    21,500

46                38,498                    60,300

47                34,752                    53,500

48                46,558                    87,200

49                57,782                    105,500

50                75,086                    116,400

51               237,086                    160,100


YTD             1,001,532                   851,500




Price           29,980 Yen                 25,000 Yen

                                           19,800 Yen (November 13, 2003)


Source:Media Create (2003,2009)

Comgnet pre-order rankings show stronger support for PS3.Sooner o later,NSMB Wii will lose momentum ...then Nintendo Wii’s weakness will be exposed.

Nice comparison, but if you continued with weekly PS2 sales you'd see that PS3 can't follow for at least 3 months.

As for Wii weakness. If you talk about 3rd parties Wii is weak from the moment it launched. I don't see what's different this year. Nintendo 1st party is weak the first quarter (like 2009) but with one difference, NSMBW. Last year it had nothing to drive hardware sales after the holidays. Before we start again the doom theories about Wii and the PS3 resurrection that will take all the third party support from Japan let's wait for the first weeks' sales of 2010. They will show many things.

 

[LINK.AGE76]

This blog has sales numbers on the top 41:
http://thedrill.no-blog.jp/dblog/2009/12/200912141220_21.html

24,700/158,300 for Tales of Graces

I don't follow the MC threads religiously, so forgive me if this is a banned site or this is being discussed elsewhere.

Wow that's sad. Does anyone if the price collapsed already?

 

[linsivvi]

Monster Hunter 3 Tri got MASSIVE trade ins. Man, you can buy that game used for $10 now and there are tons of copies out there. I wonder how many people actually even kept the game, it just seems like everyone played it for a little bit, then traded it in...?

I think the subscription fee has a lot to do with it. That makes it hard for people to play it for a while, stop and come back a few months later. So there's just little incentive to keep the game.

 

[Road]

Dengeki sales for Dec. 14-20:

01./00. [PS3] Final Fantasy XIII (Square Enix) - 1,455,505 / NEW
02./01. [WII] New Super Mario Bros. Wii (Nintendo) - 517,348 / 1,897,089
03./04. [NDS] Tomodachi Collection (Nintendo) - 164,563 / 2,059,236
04./07. [WII] Wii Fit Plus (Nintendo) - 93,441 / 1,205,424
05./08. [WII] PokePark Wii: Pikachu no Daibouken (Pokemon) - 77,183 / 198,294
06./09. [NDS] Layton Kyouju to Majin no Fue (Level 5) - 59,841 / 481,311
07./13. [NDS] Pokemon Soul Silver (Pokemon) - 59,480 / 1,708,407
08./14. [WII] Wii Sports Resort (Nintendo) - 55,935 / 1,499,058
09./06. [PSP] Phantasy Star Portable 2 (Sega) - 51,268 / 415,522
10./00. [PSP] Queen's Blade: Spiral Chaos (Bandai Namco Games) - 50,526 / NEW
11./17. [NDS] Pokemon Heart Gold (Pokemon) - 49,720 / 1,593,466
12./18. [WII] Taiko no Tatusjin Wii: Dodoon to 2 Yome! (Bandai Namco Games) - 44,350 / 129,504
13./00. [NDS] Pen 1 Grand Prix: Penguin no Mondai Special (Konami) - 41,590 / NEW
14./19. [NDS] Inazuma Eleven 2: Kyoui no Shinryakusha - Blizzard (Level 5) - 41,069 / 436,084
15./21. [NDS] Inazuma Eleven 2: Kyoui no Shinryakusha - Fire (Level 5) - 39,217 / 415,091
16./20. [NDS] Mario & Sonic at the Vancouver Olympics (Nintendo) - 37,737 / ?
17./10. [PSP] Kidou Senshi Gundam: Gundam Vs. Gundam Next Plus (Bandai Namco Games) - 32,506 / 323,531
18./11. [PSP] World Soccer Winning Eleven 2010 (Konami) - 32,411 / 81,178
19./03. [PS3] Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 (Square Enix) - 27,375 / 130,885
20./05. [PSP] Naruto Shippuuden: Narutimate Accel 3 (Bandai Namco Games) - 27,271 / 107,612

Other Software:
[PS2] Final Fantasy X (Square Enix) - FW: 1,832,000 / LTD: 2,470,000
[PS2] Final Fantasy XII (Square Enix) - FW: 1,817,000 / LTD: 2,338,000
[PS3] Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots (Konami) - FW: 474,000 / LTD: 698,000

Additional info:
- A little over 40% of the PS3 hardware sold were bundles (~98,000).
- 85% sell-through for FFXIII.
- Forecasts 1,940,000 as final total for FFXIII.
- Total software: 3,987,000 units.
- 39.4% share of software sales for the PS3.

Hardware |  This Week |  Last Week |    YTD     |    LTD
------------------------------------------------------------
NDS      |    184,089 |    135,586 |  3.773.991 | 28,752,082
PSP      |     85,526 |     75,575 |  2.125.518 | 13,274,836
Wii      |    196,007 |    133,338 |  1.747.961 |  9,331,004
PS3      |    243,814 |     80,428 |  1.668.938 |  4,371,081
360      |      8,024 |      8,996 |    349.663 |  1,200,846
PS2      |      2,829 |      2,517 |            |
------------------------------------------------------------   
Total    |    720,289 |    436,440 |

http://news.dengeki.com/elem/000/000/224/224912/
http://ascii.jp/elem/000/000/485/485952/

 

[thestopsign]

I have a feeling that Spirit Tracks wouldn't reach 805K LTD. I am predicting it to sell significantly worse than PH, something around 500 - 700K. The only redeeming feature of Spirit Tracks is it feature trains, and Japans are nuts about train (remember those train games that sell well in Japan, together with horse racing games ?)

I played both PH and ST (and also every Zelda game except those on GB, like Link's Awakening), and ST is much less interesting than PH. In fact, the train part is more frustrating and annoying than Wind Waker's treasure hunt and PH's ship fight. Not being able to bomb the enemy train to pulp is very, very irritating.

I think you're one of the few people who feel that way. Most of the people on GAF have been praising the game endlessly, and saying it is much better than Phantom Hourglass. I haven't tried it yet myself, so I can't say. I see no reason why Spirit Tracks would have a significant drop from Phantom Hourglass.

 

[bttb]

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[DNF]

Famitsu first 10 biggest weeks so far (too much Gold / Silver):
1st biggest week
[NDS] Dragon Quest IX: Sentinels of the Starry Skies (Square Enix) - 2.343.440
2nd biggest week
[PS1] Dragon Quest VII (Enix) - 1.072.286
3rd biggest week
[WII] New Super Mario Bros. Wii (Nintendo) - 570.000
4th biggest week
[GBA] Pokemon Ruby / Sapphire (Pokemon Co.) - 336.847 -> bye bye next week
5th biggest week
[NGB] Pokemon Gold / Silver (Nintendo) - 436.828
6th biggest week
[NGB] Pokemon Gold / Silver (Nintendo) - 573.247
7th biggest week
[NGB] Pokemon Gold / Silver (Nintendo) - 477.507
8th biggest week
[NGB] Pokemon Gold / Silver (Nintendo) - 258.734
9th biggest week
[NDS] Mario Party DS (Nintendo) - 208.094
10th biggest week
[NGB] Pokemon Gold / Silver (Nintendo) - 144.733

thanks for that data. do you also have data for biggest ltd after 2 weeks, 3 weeks, and so on till 10th week ? If so, could you please post it ?

 

[m.i.s.]

Bit early I know but if sales of NSMB Wii is anything to go by, RPG and Japanese developers in general have seriously dropped the ball in the home console market. It just shows that the home console market is not dead in Japan, as some feared, just dormant.

But, hey, discussion for another thread.

 

[schuelma]

Damn, after seeing Famitsu/MC sales this quote comes to mind:

"On the other hand, price-drops for other second-place and third-place systems previously did not really spike sales all that much. Should we consider price-dropping a Sony trade secret that only works for Sony regardless of their position and never works for anyone else".So it's time to ask the question :

Does price matter ?

PS3  Sales                  Price                    Weeks

    
1,246,202                 49,980 Yen                  52 
           
2,028,752                 39,980 Yen                  95 
            
1,001,532                 29,980 Yen                  16            


LTD                                                                             
4,276,486                                            163

Source: Media Create

Let's make a fair comparison


PS3 Slim vs PS2 (2003)

Week               PS3                     PS2 (2003)

36                151,873                   29,200

37                55,344                    29,900 

38                51,055                    28,100

39                39,960                    29,100

40                37,538                    27,500

41                30,896                    24,700

42                30,231                    26,900

43                29,997                    26,200

44                36,061                    25,400

45                48,925                    21,500

46                38,498                    60,300

47                34,752                    53,500

48                46,558                    87,200

49                57,782                    105,500

50                75,086                    116,400

51               237,086                    160,100


YTD             1,001,532                   851,500




Price           29,980 Yen                 25,000 Yen

                                           19,800 Yen (November 13, 2003)


Source:Media Create (2003,2009)

Price drop has spurred software sales...

Final Fantasy XIII  1.51 m

Pro Ev Soc  2010    350k   

Tales of Vesperia   312k

Mobile Suit Gundam  210k

Bayonetta           183k

Tekken 6            155k

Modern Warfare 2    117k


Source:Famitsu

...Famitsu/Enterbrain got owned

Final Fantasy XIII Sales Forecasts (Domestic sales)



Famitsu            1.0-1.5 m

M Create           1.7-1.8 m

Square-Enix          2.0 m

Tokyo Securities     >2.2 m

Conclusion

Price cut worked.Publishers knew what was going on...

Tecmo Koei asks Sony to "please cut the price" of PS3



http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/tecmo-koei-asks-sony-to-please-cut-the-price-of-ps3



Yoichi Wada Not Worried About Final Fantasy XIII Sales



http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2009/11/06/wada_expects_strong_ffxiii_sales/

Publishers getting that wake up call was a good thing,they are going to show PS3 stronger support,particularly Square-Enix.



http://uk.reuters.com/article/idUKT...SS&feedName=technology-media-telco-SP&sp=true

Comgnet pre-order rankings show stronger support for PS3.Sooner o later,NSMB Wii will lose momentum ...then Nintendo Wii’s weakness will be exposed.

http://www.comgnet.com/ranking/

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&sl=ja&tl=en&u=http://www.comgnet.com/ranking

I am sorry, but this is getting to be too much. Wii just had its highest sales in 2 years, they have a game that is going to keep selling forever, and yet Nintendo is doomed again.



Yes, wii's january and february sucks. But the notion that the PS3 is about to dominate because they have some nice mid tier RPG's in january is just shortsighted.

Both systems support is still generally so weak that there will be plenty of dry spells for each. You can't just look at a 2 month period and detect a trend- if you do that with the consoles you will detect "trends" every 3 months

I would also add that I don't think its a given that either system is going to be doing consistent 30k weeks from here on in. Sony has absolutely improved its position, but its still presumptuous to say the price cut has solved all of its long term problems

 

[Road]

http://www.sanspo.com/geino/news/091225/gnj0912251237020-n1.htm
ASCII Media Works/Dengeki
From 2008/12/29~2009/12/20

2009 Top Software
1. [NDS] Dragon Quest 9 - 4.09M
2. [NDS] Pokemon HG/SS - 3.30M
3. [NDS] Tomodachi Collection - 2.05M
4. [WII] New Super Mario Bros. Wii - 1.89M
5. [WII] Wii Sports Resort - 1.49M
6. [PS3] Final Fantasy 13 - 1.45M
9. [PSP] MHP2G (Best) - 870K
Top 30: NDS=12 / Wii=7 / PS3=5 / PSP=5 / PS2=1

2009 Market Size
HW Units: 9.86M (-16.3% YoY)
SW Units: 65.05M (-4.3% YoY)

Thanks.

So the year is already over for ASCII/Dengeki? Weird.

I'm guessing:

7. [WII] Wii Fit Plus - 1.20M
8. [WII] Monster Hunter 3 - ???

 

[schuelma]

Nevermind, my mistake.

 

[pieatorium]

Wait, so there were actually almost 250k bundles shipped??? Holy god..

No I'm, pretty sure thats 40% of this weeks sales were bundles, not that only 40% of the bundles sold.

 

[Road]

No I'm, pretty sure thats 40% of this weeks sales were bundles, not that only 40% of the bundles sold.

Yeah.

Or at least that's what I think it's written on the ASCII article...

 

[schuelma]

No I'm, pretty sure thats 40% of this weeks sales were bundles, not that only 40% of the bundles sold.

Yup you are correct. Read that wrong. Makes a lot more sense now

 

[donny2112]

Price drop has spurred software sales...

Final Fantasy XIII  1.51 m

Pro Ev Soc  2010    350k   

Tales of Vesperia   312k

Mobile Suit Gundam  210k

Bayonetta           183k

Tekken 6            155k

Modern Warfare 2    117k


Source:Famitsu

Huh?

FFXIII was going to sell basically like it has regardless of PS3 Slim sales. I said that 1.5m was looking to be more reasonable for a first week based on MGS4's sales and the demo's effect before 1) PS3 Slim was announced and 2) a bundle was announced.

Spoiler

In a strong example of how hit-and-miss predictions can be, I also expected Wii to sell 2-3x PS360 based on Nintendo not being idiots. We know how that worked out. :lol

PES 2010 is barely ahead of 2009 launch-aligned on PS3, and that's been more than offset for the series in declines for PS2 and PSP.

Tales of Vesperia: Yes. Good sales. Due to FFXIII coming or PS3 Slim? I don't know, but I'm willing to say that Slim helped it, though I think FFXIII coming on the system since forever had a lot more to do with it.

Gundam was behind Gundam Musou 1/2 on PS3 before it dropped off the charts. Not exactly apples to apples, though, but Gundam Musou 1 was released on a much smaller userbase. Doubtful Slim effect other than the fact it was bundled helping it probably do better than it would have otherwise.

Tekken 6 is way down from Tekken 5. What exactly are you comparing it to to say that Slim helped its sales? Street Fighter IV? If the assumption is that Street Fighter IV defined the fighter base on PS3 and Tekken 6 shows growth over that, then I could see the Slim being the cause for that. I don't know how reasonable an assumption that is, though.

Bayonetta: What should it be compared to?

Modern Warfare 2 is a great debut. Comparing it to the original has some issues in that the original was supply-constrained for a couple of weeks at its launch. The sales of the BEST re-release getting > 50% of the original's release says something about satisfying demand of the original. It's still done very well, though. Due to the Slim? I'm willing to buy that some.


While PS3 Slim certainly had to help some just due to more users owning the system, it hasn't been some kind of software revival for the PS3.

...then Nintendo Wii’s weakness will be exposed.

Nintendo's weakness has been "exposed" for two years in Japan now.

 

[RamzaIsCool]

I am sorry, but this is getting to be too much. Wii just had its highest sales in 2 years, they have a game that is going to keep selling forever, and yet Nintendo is doomed again.



Yes, wii's january and february sucks. But the notion that the PS3 is about to dominate because they have some nice mid tier RPG's in january is just shortsighted.

Both systems support is still generally so weak that there will be plenty of dry spells for each. You can't just look at a 2 month period and detect a trend- if you do that with the consoles you will detect "trends" every 3 months

I would also add that I don't think its a given that either system is going to be doing consistent 30k weeks from here on in. Sony has absolutely improved its position, but its still presumptuous to say the price cut has solved all of its long term problems

I think selling Wii-hardware is the least of Nintendo's problems right now. All those record breaking sales means shit all if the game situation is continueing like this. They need to court 3rd party developers to release a steady stream of good titles on it. Btw do you own a PS3? Plenty of dry spells???

 

[donny2112]

Plenty of dry spells???

Japanese game dry spells, yes.

 

[Segata Sanshiro]

I think selling Wii-hardware is the least of Nintendo's problems right now. All those record breaking sales means shit all if the game situation is continueing like this. They need to court 3rd party developers to release a steady stream of good titles on it. Btw do you own a PS3? Plenty of dry spells???

He's talking about Japan, and for Japanese gamers, there are definitely a lot of dry spells on the PS3. A game like Killzone 2 is a tentpole for a month or so in America, in Japan it's a popcorn fart.

 

[RaijinFY]

As long as FFXIII tops 2 million without any re-releases I will be satisfied.

Well good luck with that...

 

[schuelma]

I think selling Wii-hardware is the least of Nintendo's problems right now. All those record breaking sales means shit all if the game situation is continueing like this. They need to court 3rd party developers to release a steady stream of good titles on it. Btw do you own a PS3? Plenty of dry spells???

Ok...I am not talking about the Wii's 3rd party issues anywhere and I don't see how that is particularly relevant to the discussion since Wii has never really gotten good support




Second, by dry spells I mean periods where there is 1 or even 0 releases a week for a period of time. The PS3 and Wii have had many such periods. The portables by and large do not.

 

[RamzaIsCool]

Japanese game dry spells, yes.

Suppose you have a point there, but when I look to the comming few months it's pretty good right? EoE, SO4, Yakuza 4, RE5: waggle, GT5 and heck who knows what the Gem-wand thingy brings. At the least is something....

 

[schuelma]

Suppose you have a point there, but when I look to the comming few months it's pretty good right? EoE, SO4, Yakuza 4, RE5: waggle, GT5 and heck who knows what the Gem-wand thingy brings. At the least is something....

I agree with you. My only point is I think its too early to assume Q1 is going to be the norm from now on, given the inconsistent software history the consoles have had. Last year for example after march the PS3 had a really bad lineup basically until the slim in september
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[RamzaIsCool]

Ok...I am not talking about the Wii's 3rd party issues anywhere and I don't see how that is particularly relevant to the discussion since Wii has never really gotten good support




Second, by dry spells I mean periods where there is 1 or even 0 releases a week for a period of time. The PS3 and Wii have had many such periods. The portables by and large do not.

Isn't it a fact that the Wii is marketleader in consoleland? And by a really big margin at that. The costs to develope for it are pretty low for todays standard also. So does it have any reasons to be in this situation. Just look too the releaselist of the last 2 years and add what we know of 2010. That's some weird shit right there. It simply doesn't make any sense that the Wii get's shunned like that. I am not saying it should get PS2 level of support, but not this. Shouldn't it be like: good Wii sales=more games=chance on more good games=more enjoyment. But it already goes wrong at step 2 there. The sales simply don't translate in more games. So what's the point in getting excited over Wii sales if the only purpose it has is to look pretty in charts and graphs?

My definition of a dry spell is having a month or so without having something noteworthy to play. For me it's not about releasing games, but more about the quality. So if they released 10 games a week for a period of 3 months, but the games are only shovelware then it's still a dry spell imo. But that's me.

 

[dolemite]

So the Famitsu leak is now firmly plugged or is it just the holidays?

 

[schuelma]

Isn't it a fact that the Wii is marketleader in consoleland? And by a really big margin at that. The costs to develope for it are pretty low for todays standard also. So does it have any reasons to be in this situation. Just look too the releaselist of the last 2 years and add what we know of 2010. That's some weird shit right there. It simply doesn't make any sense that the Wii get's shunned like that. I am not saying it should get PS2 level of support, but not this. Shouldn't it be like: good Wii sales=more games=chance on more good games=more enjoyment. But it already goes wrong at step 2 there. The sales simply don't translate in more games. So what's the point in getting excited over Wii sales if the only purpose it has is to look pretty in charts and graphs?

My definition of a dry spell is having a month or so without having something noteworthy to play. For me it's not about releasing games, but more about the quality. So if they released 10 games a week for a period of 3 months, but the games are only shovelware then it's still a dry spell imo. But that's me.

This is primarily a sales thread, so the Wii's hardware sales, with or without third parties are generally considered relevant.


On a related note, our particular tastes and preferences has little to do with what I was discussing- software that makes an impact in Japan

 

[charlequin]

"On the other hand, price-drops for other second-place and third-place systems previously did not really spike sales all that much. Should we consider price-dropping a Sony trade secret that only works for Sony regardless of their position and never works for anyone else".

Well, I think the PS3 basically found itself in a unique position. Traditionally gaming systems that were in 2nd or 3rd place have usually found themselves in one specific position:

• Priced competitively with the other systems
• Undesirable due to fundamental qualities of their hardware and software

So you couldn't increase GameCube sales by dropping the price because the fundamental problem was that people didn't want to buy GameCubes at any price -- it was just an undesirable system.

PS3, on the other hand:

• Priced dramatically above all comparable systems
• Desirable due to fundamental qualities of its hardware and software

In other words: unlike the vast majority of previous loser systems, the PS3's problem wasn't that people didn't want one; it's that they couldn't afford one and therefore were willing to skip it. Given that situation, it makes sense (in retrospect) that a sufficiently large price drop would have an unprecedentedly large impact on the system's well-being.

I really do think the unique Wii situation was a big contributor to this, too -- in a generation where the consoles were more similar, something like the Wii leading for this long would've probably subsumed the software support by now and left the PS3 with little to offer when it finally hit a reasonable price at this late stage...

Comgnet pre-order rankings show stronger support for PS3.Sooner o later,NSMB Wii will lose momentum ...then Nintendo Wii’s weakness will be exposed.

...oh, sorry, I thought you wanted to actually talk about this. My bad.

 

[Road]

Sales since the PS3 slim launched:

PS3 - 1,001,532
WII - 790,916

One week left. The Wii would have to sell 210,617 more than the PS3 this week.

I don't really remember who made that prediction, but congratulations.

 

[test_account]

Sales since the PS3 slim launched:

PS3 - 1,001,532
WII - 790,916

One week left. The Wii would have to sell 210,617 more than the PS3 this week.

I don't really remember who made that prediction, but congratulations.

I think that it was Opiate who said the PS3 would outsell the Wii until Christmas 2009.

 

[bttb]

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