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Media Create Sales: Sep 14 - 20, 2009

iceatcs

Junior Member
Blablurn said:
what happened there? sold out? :lol :lol
It is PS2, it could be stock problem because PAL launch was on this week.


Wow PS3 doing really well, about 300k for first month. Hope it will steady well.
Looking forward next week with Wii new price.
 
Blablurn said:
what happened there? sold out? :lol :lol
Yeah, pretty much. PS2 supply didn't look so bad for most of the year, but when they finally needed to start supplying regions outside of Japan they couldn't really keep up and there wasn't much of a holiday bump. Here's September 2000 - January 2001.
fam
 

markatisu

Member
Dragona Akehi said:
95% average student first term, doesn't bother going to class second term and instead spends his mad scholarship scrilla on booze, hookers and blow. Ends year with a 60%.

D's get degrees baby
 
DarkMehm said:
It's the fourth. There was a week between Launch and ToV with 57k.
Not counting the slim launch, it's the third week of 50k, as DMJ says.

(MC) 8/31 - 9/6 - 151k (slim launch)
(MC) 9/7 - 9/13 - 55k
(MC) 9/14 - 9/20 - 51k (Vesperia)
(Fam) 9/21 - 9/27 - 50k
 

gofreak

GAF's Bob Woodward
It's crazy to think its first month in Japan has topped even 'good' months for the PS3 in the US, better than August even with it's 2 weeks of $299.

I expect some disruption next week from Wii. It'll be very interesting to compare to Sept NPD.
 

Eteric Rice

Member
gerg said:
I was wrong.

NSMB better be a messiah or Nintendo's screwed.

Err, I wouldn't say they're screwed if NSMB doesn't work out, they're still a few million units ahead of the PS3 as far as I know.

I'm thinking if NSMB Wii doesn't pan out, they may need to consider a relaunch with better features/design.
 

obaidr

Banned
gerg said:
I was wrong.

NSMB better be a messiah or Nintendo's screwed.

If we are talking about hardware sales how could a mario game which is more or less a remake of existing mario game increase the hardware sales? How this game good be the messiah and attract more people then galaxy did? It will be a multimillion seller without question but not a system seller this late in the life cycle.
 

Eteric Rice

Member
obaidr said:
If we are talking about hardware sales how could a mario game which is more or less a remake of existing mario game increase the hardware sales? How this game good be the messiah and attract more people then galaxy did? It will be a multimillion seller without question but not a system seller this late in the life cycle.

Uh, it's not a remake. And 3D and 2D mario are two different beasts according to the DS.

How that will work on a console, I don't know.
 

Blablurn

Member
JoshuaJSlone said:
Yeah, pretty much. PS2 supply didn't look so bad for most of the year, but when they finally needed to start supplying regions outside of Japan they couldn't really keep up and there wasn't much of a holiday bump. Here's September 2000 - January 2001.
fam

wow, didn't know that! thank you for the information, dude!
 

donny2112

Member
Eteric Rice said:
Uh, it's not a remake.

Dude, Super Mario Bros. 2/The Lost Levels was totally a remake of Super Mario Bros. 1. Didn't you see that the graphics looked really similar? The fact that the games themselves were totally different doesn't matter.
 

obaidr

Banned
Eteric Rice said:
Uh, it's not a remake. And 3D and 2D mario are two different beasts according to the DS.

How that will work on a console, I don't know.

yeah but my question was how this game can attract new users like my self for example to buy a Wii? It cant in my eyes since it is nothing new for the system. A jump and run game with mario as the star.
 

gerg

Member
Eteric Rice said:
Err, I wouldn't say they're screwed if NSMB doesn't work out, they're still a few million units ahead of the PS3 as far as I know.

I'm thinking if NSMB Wii doesn't pan out, they may need to consider a relaunch with better features/design.

NSMB is Nintendo's biggest bet this holiday season. They really want it to succeed.

Of course, underlying this whole discussion is the increasing irrelevance of console gaming in Japan.

obaidr said:
If we are talking about hardware sales how could a mario game which is more or less a remake of existing mario game increase the hardware sales? How this game good be the messiah and attract more people then galaxy did? It will be a multimillion seller without question but not a system seller this late in the life cycle.

NSMB Wii mixes the values that seem to be popular with Nintendo's target audience, along with a theme that has not yet appeared on the Wii. You underestimate the difference in appeal between 2D and 3D Mario.
 

gofreak

GAF's Bob Woodward
I don't think we'll have to wait for NSMB to see a recovery in Nintendo's fortunes. I'm sure the price cut will kick sales back to a good level from next week.

edit - more correctly, Wii's fortunes
 

Chris1964

Sales-Age Genius
Impressive hold for PS3. Way higher than I predicted. I didn't expect it but next week we may see a fight between PS3 and Wii. Even if we assume that Silver Week helped PS3 a bit this time there will be no excuse next week if it manages to hold high again. So far the pattern doesn't continue.

famitsu:
Code:
-----------------------------------------------------------------
| System  | week 1 | week 2 | week 3 | week 4 | week 5 | week 6 |
|---------------------------------------------------------------|
|Black WII|  92.790|  46.000|  46.000|  25.540|  22.707|  18.087|
| Slim PS3| 150.832|  54.289|  55.000|  50.000|        |        |
-----------------------------------------------------------------

Dragon Quest IX becomes this week (at least from the tracked sales we have) the best selling Dragon Quest. And it has many hundreds of thousands to sell yet.

Famitsu data:
Code:
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
|  |  Dragon Quest VII | Dragon Quest VIII |  Dragon Quest IX  |       difference     |
|--|---------|---------|---------|---------|---------|---------|----------|-----------|
| #|  Weekly |   LTD   |  Weekly |   LTD   |  Weekly |   LTD   |DQIX-DQVII|DQIX-DQVIII|
|--|---------|---------|---------|---------|---------|---------|----------|-----------|
| 1|1.862.065|1.862.065|2.236.881|2.236.881|2.343.440|2.343.440|   481.375|    106.559|
| 2|1.072.286|2.934.351|  559.524|2.796.405|  602.856|2.946.296|    11.945|    149.891|
| 3|  329.317|3.263.668|  200.033|2.996.438|  271.206|3.217.502|   -46.166|    221.064|
| 4|  154.797|3.418.465|  116.731|3.113.169|  172.728|3.390.230|   -28.235|    277.061|
| 5|   83.918|3.502.383|  118.119|3.231.288|  106.514|3.496.744|    -5.639|    265.456|
| 6|   64.351|3.566.734|   95.879|3.327.167|  121.139|3.617.883|    51.149|    290.716|
| 7|   43.717|3.610.451|   56.945|3.384.112|   79.452|3.697.335|    86.884|    313.223|
| 8|   33.852|3.644.302|   22.175|3.406.287|   68.125|3.765.460|   120.158|    359.173|
| 9|   21.429|3.665.731|   11.611|3.417.898|   52.135|3.817.595|   151.864|    399.697|
|10|   18.191|3.683.923|   11.293|3.429.191|   38.293|3.855.888|   171.965|    426.697|
|11|   18.360|3.702.283|    9.892|3.439.083|   36.000|3.892.000|   189.717|    452.917|
|12|   13.941|3.716.224|    9.389|3.448.472|   34.000|3.925.000|   208.776|    476.528|
|13|   10.541|3.726.765|    7.403|3.455.875|         |         |          |           |
|14|    8.841|3.735.606|    6.698|3.462.573|         |         |          |           |
|15|    9.147|3.744.754|    6.490|3.469.063|         |         |          |           |
|16|    8.903|3.753.657|    5.103|3.474.166|         |         |          |           |
|17|        -|        -|        -|        -|         |         |          |           |
|18|        -|        -|        -|        -|         |         |          |           |
|19|   10.769|3.784.682|        -|        -|         |         |          |           |
|20|   15.632|3.800.315|        -|        -|         |         |          |           |
|21|    5.634|3.805.949|        -|        -|         |         |          |           |
|22|    5.643|3.811.591|        -|        -|         |         |          |           |
|23|    6.190|3.817.781|        -|        -|         |         |          |           |
|24|    4.184|3.821.965|        -|        -|         |         |          |           |
|25|    4.406|3.826.371|        -|        -|         |         |          |           |
|26|    5.227|3.831.598|        -|        -|         |         |          |           |
|27|    3.848|3.835.446|        -|        -|         |         |          |           |
|28|    5.083|3.840.529|        -|        -|         |         |          |           |
|29|    4.859|3.845.388|        -|        -|         |         |          |           |
|--|---------|---------|---------|---------|---------|---------|----------|-----------|
| -|   LTD   |3.893.293|   LTD   |3.538.860|   LTD   |3.925.000|    31.707|    386.140|
| -|  LTD 2  |3.893.293|  LTD 2  |3.677.560|  LTD 2  |3.925.000|    31.707|    247.440|
| -|shipments|4.150.000|shipments|3.700.000|shipments|4.000.000|  -150.000|    300.000|
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

*LTD 2 includes BEST releases
[PS2] Dragon Quest VIII (Ultimate Hits) (Square Enix) (20/07/06) - 138.700	
[PS1] Dragon Quest VII (PSOne Books) (Square Enix) (02/03/05) (didn't chart)
[PS1] Dragon Quest VII (Ultimate Hits) (Square Enix) (20/07/06) (didn't chart)
 
Note on Dragon Quest IX: Though there are games that it won't outsell, I was wondering if it was the quickest to reach its current heights, since most of the games we see at 4+ million are there thanks to loooong legs. However, it seems like Pokémon Ruby/Sapphire and Diamond/Pearl are just a bit quicker to 4 million.
DQ+IX

Since these are using final Famitsu numbers DQ IX is a bit behind what we see in Chris1964's posts, but it's looking like DQ IX will hit 4 million around week 15, compared to 12 for RuSa and 13 or 14 for DiaPear (there was a combined week).

Quickest to 3.5 million... I think so.
 

Chris1964

Sales-Age Genius
The last three weeks DQ IX has sold almost the same amount of units. If it holds over 30K and the next week (the week after Silver Week) and the holidays boost its sales by a respectable margin, 5M are still a possibility. Don't forget many people didn't expect it to make even 4M. As of now it doesn't follow the sales trend of previous Dragon Quests, so there is still some hope.
 

Chris1964

Sales-Age Genius
Captain Smoker's list has the combined sales of FF VII at 3.937.900. Next week DQ IX will become the best selling non Nintendo game in Japan. One or two weeks after that it will become the first non Nintendo game to sell over 4M. Every week a new record for DQ IX.
 

gkryhewy

Member
very impressive stability for the PS3 numbers. I'd be interested in hearing some sentiment from GAFers in Japan: does this feel semi-permanent?
 

Vinnk

Member
gkrykewy said:
very impressive stability for the PS3 numbers. I'd be interested in hearing some sentiment from GAFers in Japan: does this feel semi-permanent?

Hard to say. Lots of used fat PS3s coming in at my local shops so some people are upgrading but not nearly enough for those numbers so Sony is bringing in new people for sure. And with some good titles on the way, might just keep them. However outside of the "hardcore" gaming circles, I don't here a lot about the PS3. A few of my non-gamer friends (who know I like games) mentioned the Wii price drop. And it has been on the news. Still there doesn't seem to be much hype at the gaming shops. Maybe it would be better to check the department stores, as that seems to be where a lot of Wii are purchased.

To tell the truth, I have a hard time making any prediction now. These last 3 years have been crazy...
 

Kenka

Member
Regulus Tera said:
Didn't the multiple re-releases of FFVII put it ahead of DQVII?

It's not quite a battle. But seeing it rush past FF VII will be a nice show in the forthcoming weeks :)

The "battle" for the next months will actually be more between Poké et DQ. But we will know more by the end of the holidays.
 

gkryhewy

Member
Vinnk said:
Hard to say. Lots of used fat PS3s coming in at my local shops so some people are upgrading but not nearly enough for those numbers so Sony is bringing in new people for sure. And with some good titles on the way, might just keep them. However outside of the "hardcore" gaming circles, I don't here a lot about the PS3. A few of my non-gamer friends (who know I like games) mentioned the Wii price drop. And it has been on the news. Still there doesn't seem to be much hype at the gaming shops. Maybe it would be better to check the department stores, as that seems to be where a lot of Wii are purchased.

To tell the truth, I have a hard time making any prediction now. These last 3 years have been crazy...

Thanks for the impressions, Vinnk.
 
Looking at the PS3 numbers, I'm not too surprised. This week is the so-called Silver Week, so that probably helped to sustain numbers. It even increased numbers for certain games like Tomodachi and Monster Hunter. I'm betting for a large dropoff next week.
 

Firewire

Banned
JoshuaJSlone said:
Lowest for each from Famitsu:

X360:
2006-02-27 1,020
2006-07-10 1,020
2006-08-21 1,004
2006-09-04 911
2006-09-11 854
2008-09-01 843

3,700 is actually right in the middle for X360.

PS2
2009-05-11 4,373
2009-08-24 4,125
2009-08-31 3,688
2000-11-27 3,306
2009-09-07 3,174

So yeah, PS2 is finally winding down enough to outdo the lows it hit during early shortages. 25 of its lowest 26 weeks are from this year.

Wow those are some low numbers.
 
Stopsign said:
Looking at the PS3 numbers, I'm not too surprised. This week is the so-called Silver Week, so that probably helped to sustain numbers. It even increased numbers for certain games like Tomodachi and Monster Hunter. I'm betting for a large dropoff next week.

I've seen Silver week mentioned before, but it doesn't seem to have had any noticable effect on sales of other consoles.
 
Chris1964 said:

Wada redeemed.

A month ago I wasn't sure if it was possible, but now I really do think that Dragon Quest IX should reach 5 million sold in Japan. It's not going to happen overnight, but it will happen eventually.
 

markatisu

Member
Graphics Horse said:
I've seen Silver week mentioned before, but it doesn't seem to have had any noticable effect on sales of other consoles.

Didn't it just keep everything on level? The PS3 did not fall too much and the Wii/PSP stayed shitty in comparison?

Its not like the PS3 rose to the heavens while everything else stumbled
 
Graphics Horse said:
I've seen Silver week mentioned before, but it doesn't seem to have had any noticable effect on sales of other consoles.

Hmmm... it looks like you're right. It could be having a more pronounced effect on the PS3 because it does have a new model out. Even without the holiday I bet the PS3 would have been around 45k anyways, so it really probably is negligible.
 
markatisu said:
Didn't it just keep everything on level? The PS3 did not fall too much and the Wii/PSP stayed shitty in comparison?

Its not like the PS3 rose to the heavens while everything else stumbled

Yeah that's what I mean, the other consoles stayed the same, and so the PS3 probably wasn't affected much either.
 

spwolf

Member
Stopsign said:
Looking at the PS3 numbers, I'm not too surprised. This week is the so-called Silver Week, so that probably helped to sustain numbers. It even increased numbers for certain games like Tomodachi and Monster Hunter. I'm betting for a large dropoff next week.

next week for sure.... just which one?

:lol
 
would it be silly to suggest that the PS3 is taking away from PSP numbers?
The PSP has been really low numbers since around the time the Slim released

Perhaps many Japanese decided to buy a PSP in favor of PS3 because it was a less expensive option?
 
Well, the possibility I mentioned in another thread has come to pass: the PS3 has sold more this month than 360 has all year. (Yes, I know that says more about Microsoft's utter failure in Japan than Sony's success; that was the original context I mentioned it in.)

Seriously, 50k for PS3 this week is too high. Unless we buy the shaky argument about Silver Week, it seems somewhat at odds with standard decay patterns. I certainly expect PS3 to fall off heavily next week, but then I expected it this week too.

Stuff like this makes me question the possibility of ever developing strong prediction tools for sales. It seems like more of an art than even meteorology. Props to the people who are actually good at it (though pretty much all of them seem surprised this week, too!).
 
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