Japan has been fairly quiet lately.
I'd like to note that with the exception of Deep Down, Capcom has no retail console games announced past June.
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Media Create Sales: Week 11, 2013 (Mar 11 - Mar 17)
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Japan has been fairly quiet lately.
I'd like to note that with the exception of Deep Down, Capcom has no retail console games announced past June.
michaelius
Banned
Well yeah but both are late ports.
Anyway as far as western stuff is concerned we won't know full picture untill E3.
Man-is-Obsolete
Member
How deep is the well at Capcom? They seem to have lost a lot of talent this generation. Hence they are increasingly outsourcing their games.
Perhaps on a larger scale the talent pool in Japan may be drying up or are moving to studios out west.
Looking at games with "Mario" in the title that sold over 300K (wide swath of genres, of course), the highest first week/LTD % is Mario Power Tennis on GameCube at 37%. If Luigi's Mansion can hit 400K first week, it would seem to have a really good shot at 1m LTD, based on that history. Luigi's Mansion had a 33% first week ratio, for reference.
Why wouldn't they? PS+ subscribers are the self-selected group of people who care enough to do just that.
Some got it for free.
Hero of Legend
Member
Sorry about changing the topic. 
But I've been wondering what's up with Falcom's planned 3DS support, they announced this back in July IIRC, they said next term they'd be supporting 3DS, what happened?
But I've been wondering what's up with Falcom's planned 3DS support, they announced this back in July IIRC, they said next term they'd be supporting 3DS, what happened?
Sorry about changing the topic.
But I've been wondering what's up with Falcom's planned 3DS support, they announced this back in July IIRC, they said next term they'd be supporting 3DS, what happened?
Perhaps Sony intencivized them to stay on their platform. Perhaps they're not ready to show a game yet.
Anyone's guess, really.
Of course. That's the whole point: if you have accrued a stack of "free" Vita games after half a year or so of PS+ membership, even if your initial intention was just the PS3 content, buying a Vita becomes a much more attractive proposition.
Oh, thought Graphics Horse was talking about the games, in that they're a rental that expires when the free PS+ runs out, but he was actually talking about the hardware. That changes it a bit. Yeah, it makes the Vita a more attractive proposition. Still don't agree with the "self-selected" part, if they got PS+ for free, though.
Hypereides
Gold Member
They're not being stubborn. They're branding/ franchising it, trying to gain mindshare that its a quality series. Common business/marketing practice. And they may succeed long term if they keep refining and polishing the series.
Killzone was one of those series that gained alot of attention due to bad publicity. And Sony knows that very well. Now they're working on reversing that into something succesfull.
You know, bad PR is better than no PR.
Oh, now I understand what you meant with getting "it" for free. I thought you meant the gamesOh, thought Graphics Horse was talking about the games, in that they're a rental that expires when the free PS+ runs out, but he was actually talking about the hardware. That changes it a bit. Yeah, it makes the Vita a more attractive proposition. Still don't agree with the "self-selected" part, if they got PS+ for free, though.
I looked into their talent loss before I joined GAF. From what I saw, the only individual to be director, producer, executive producer, or game planner on debut game for any Capcom series to produce a million seller is Masahiro Yasuma (Mega Man Battle Network). No idea what he's doing now. No idea who worked on Final Fight, either, so maybe those people are still at the company.
The most major losses may be Yoshiki Okamoto (Street Fighter II), Noritaka Funamizu (Monster Hunter, Marvel vs Capcom), Tokuro Fujiwara (Ghosts 'n' Goblins, Commando), and Keiji Inafune (Dead Rising, Lost Planet, Onimusha). Each is credited on at least fifty games at Capcom.
But I don't know how much weight these big names actually have. They haven't had explosive successes after leaving the company. I also didn't look much into the guys who headed the sequels; there's no reason why those guys can't become big names themselves.
Here's some links regarding Capcom's corporate environment that may be interesting:
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2012-06-11-the-rise-and-collapse-of-yoshinori-ono
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2012-06-11-yoshinori-ono-street-fighter-4-was-an-unwanted-child
http://andriasang.com/comvgl/inafune_capcom_dev_secrets/
shinra-bansho
Member
I'm looking through Microsoft's published games this gen and I'm trying to see what you're seeing...
Man-is-Obsolete
Member
They also lost everyone at Clover right? The people that went on to become Platinum, including Mikami and Kamiya.
twentytwo22
Member
Are you only looking for upcoming stuff? If you are including the last ~6 months, you can add Sega (Miku), Konami (two different baseball franchises), and Kadokawa (Demon's Gaze) for Vita.
Yes. The big problem with that was that when people like Inaba, Mikami, and Kamiya left they took a lot of the lead design staff they'd worked with on various games. Like almost all of the game designers for REmake and RE4 left with Mikami.
electroplankton
Banned
Sooo! 3DS summer is even more packed with the remake of the first Etrian Odyssey; it'd be probably cross the 100k, I don't think more being de facto an old game. Though, this might be that Atlus is planning a new Etrian Odyssey for 2014.
frankie_baby
Member
I was first going to say why would Vita suddenly rise to 70k, then I realized you're talking about the game, lol.
We'll I'd say...
LM2: 380k
OPM2: 350k (PS3: 300k; Vita: 50k)
Vita: 28k
3DS: 80k
electroplankton
Banned
Nope, 3DS game. It sounds more like a reboot, while keeping the same gameplay (from EOIV apparently), it'll be more story-focused. Maybe Atlus is trying to see the appeal of a new direction for the series.
Bruno MB
Member
I checked my prediction for this month and I predicted that Luigi's Mansion 2 would sell 205.000 units in its first two weeks lol
frankie_baby
Member
i'm actually thinking now could we all (myself included) be lowballing 3ds hardware quite a bit, we're looking at weegee launching over 300k (possibly way way over) so that should give the hardware a bump coupled with 2 new colours for the original 3ds the first new ones in a long time, could we be maybe looking at over 100k?
electroplankton
Banned
I don't see Luigi bringing much new userbase on the platform, and those two colors are extremely ugly
It's okay, I somehow predicted 80k. Now that's a huge swing and a miss haha.
frankie_baby
Member
I don't see Luigi bringing much new userbase on the platform, and those two colors are extremely ugly
i thought they were very snazy
Exterminieren
Banned
The fact that we're looking at the potential of Luigi selling more than 3D Land in terms of first week is kind of crazy.
Luigi won't have Mario legs, though.
Luigi won't have Mario legs, though.
If it can hold out until Golden Week it will get a nice bump then. 1 million from Luigi = girlish squee from me.
Isn't Luigi kind of popular in Japan?
I dont see Luigi opening over 250k as much as Im ADORING the game. Having it over 300k would be kinda nuts and a HUGE success for the franchise. Very few titles accomplish that first week in Japan, and rarely from such lapsed franchises. Why are people predicting such high numbers? did I miss anything?
We're talking about the possibility of a Luigi title having a better debut than a 3D Mario title. Rationally, it's something crazy.
metalslimer
Member
frankie_baby
Member
500k shipment and first day sell through 'very high'
They already shipped 500k.
Well, thats pretty crazy then. Luigis Mansion may very well prove itself to be a big franchise if thats the case. Couldnt be happier!
Exterminieren
Banned
Not more popular than Mario.
This is a western-developed entry in a spinoff series that hasn't been on the scene for more than a decade. This sort of performance isn't predictable by any means.
Isn't the Vita retail release list from yesterday missing:
スロッターマニアV 絶対衝激II
スロッターマニアV 絶対衝激II
MasterSheen
Member
Assuming high means at least 70% sell through, that's already at least 350k for the first day. The rest of the week will have it above 400k, possibly above NSMB2.
frankie_baby
Member
high is pretty ambiguous, i'd like to hope its over 70% though trying to keep my expectations low/grounded so based my prediction on it just being above 50%, its worth noting that amazon sold out day 1 and i think didnt we have reports of some other retailers selling out almost as quick
I stuck to upcoming primarily because we usually see a lot of publishers up front for any system, and then that either thins out or grows depending on the platform's success.
electroplankton
Banned
350k would be an incredible result in my opinion. No one was expecting such a big opening (at least before seeing the shipment!).
Sammy Samusu
Member
I'm expecting 350k too.
If it fails to reach 300k I'm gonna be disappointed, if it goes above 400k... damn.
If it fails to reach 300k I'm gonna be disappointed, if it goes above 400k... damn.
Exterminieren
Banned
Haha. It probably passed 300k on the first day.
DragonSworne
Banned
I'm predicting 408,000 units sold for LM2.
Sorry: Masahiro Yasuma's the only remaining guy who fits the conditions I mentioned. Takashi Nishiyama, Yoshiki Okamoto, Shinji Mikami, Noritaka Funamizu, Hideki Kamiya, Tokuro Fujiwara, and Keiji Inafune have all left. Also, a lot of the old artists are gone. Akiman, Bengus, Kinu Nishimura, probably more.
The company growing increasingly risk averse seems to have been a big part towards people leaving. In the articles I posted, Inafune and Ono have talk about what lengths they had to go to in order to get things greenlighted. Inaba's also talked about Phoenix Wright and Steel Battalion facing internal resistance.
I don't think they're typical for a Japanese company, but maybe I'm wrong. Their business side not only controls the creative side, but stifles it. That's what drives people away. Inafune's specifically pointed to Nintendo as an example of a company led by its creative side (though I'm sure others may not agree with that).
Louie: 375K. I could imagine a bigger debut than 3D Land, but far more frontloaded.
One Piece: 500K PS3, 100K
3DS: 70K
PSV: 30K
Not sure if those are even realistic. Did anything come out on Vita this week besides One Piece?
BishopLamont
Banned
Weegee will definitely pass 300k sold first week, hell it'll probably sell nearly the 500k shipment on the first week (depending on when it was released, too lazy to check atm) and yes 3DS will be over 100k for sure as well.