I wish Nintendo kept some of their franchises to one of home or portable consoles. Like Animal Crossing, WarioWare (including this, despite not being WW) should be portable only. I'm never going to turn on a console and command a TV to play a few seconds of mini-game. I don't really know what Nintendo wanted from Game & Wario. It seems like wrong game, wetting platform, wrong time.
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Media Create Sales: Week 12, 2013 (Mar 18 - Mar 24)
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Gianni Merryman
Member
We haven't a clue about it as for now, we can only have a wild guess.
In my opinion, Nintendo may announce something Wii U related at E3 only if they have some games appealing for Western market, otherwise I don't think they would announce any big Japanese games there, if last years conferences are anything to go by, they'd rather set up some NDs when they feel the timing is right.
electroplankton
Banned
Or maybe going digital. They did understand with Pokémon Rumble.
KH is the only one which underperformed, on the other hand their has been a couple 3DS 3rd party success story's. But something still feels off about the 3rd party support even for the 3DS. At this point I think Nintendo would need a spring conference rather than just a regular Nintendo Direct.
Good thing they made a game that doesn't play like that then! See, they listen to you!
frankie_baby
Member
i dont really get it, its possible it had to be released due to some contract with nintendo or something (nintendo published it in europe), i think if they'd put a real effort in with the game (if it had been an up-port as promised not a down-port as we got) and they'd held off announcing the collection for a good few months after then it 'could' have been a big success
Sammy Samusu
Member
You are exaggerating.
lunchwithyuzo
Banned
To be fair though, the only thing for the Wii audience on Wii U is NLand and NSMBU. Still. Maybe we'll actually start seeing a market transition once there's enough content to hit the tipping point for those consumers (Wii Sports/Fit, Mario Kart/Party, Taiko, etc)?
electroplankton
Banned
More than a couple I would say. Run for Money, Fantasy Life, Bravely Default, Rune Factory 4, Etrian Odyssey IV, Tales of the Abyss, One Piece, etc.
I really wish I could believe that Nintendo does have some sort of NDA's on titles for their own consoles that they could come out with during a Direct since they're "doing their own race" and all but the silence and influx of bad news is making the Wii U look worse by the day and it's making me increasingly skeptical about them having much at all. I think a tweet by Tyrone Rodriguez from Nicalis implied that Nintendo has some sort of relations strategy they can't talk about but I dunno.
It goes without saying but unless they blow the hinges off of the next Direct or whatever conference they have it's practically got a death sentence on it. It's make or break at this point.
Hellraider
Member
Of course they tell things.My objection was that a sole "20% ST" of an uknown shipment is not enough to end the conversation about G&W success or failure.Especially G&W a game that will live or die on it's legs.Unless we know of a very low shipment which makes everything I just said pointless.
You have stated your opinion about how this games of this type will perform on the WiiU and I completely agree.I am expecting G&W to underperform compared to WarioWare but I am not sure about how big the decline will be.
Sammy Samusu
Member
Toukiden release date, price and bundle.
http://gematsu.com/2013/03/toukiden-japanese-release-date-set
http://gematsu.com/2013/03/toukiden-japanese-release-date-set
For the new page...
Prediction League April, 2013
Predict how much these titles will sell in the month (from Apr 01 to Apr 28):
[PSV] Hardware (28 days) -
[3DS] Cardfight!! Vanguard Ride to Victory (18 days) -
[3DS] Tomodachi Collection Shin Seikatsu (11 days) -
[PS3+360] Naruto Shippuden Ultimate Ninja Storm 3 (11 days) -
[PSP] 7th Dragon 2020 II (11 days) -
[PS3] Dragon's Dogma Dark Arisen (4 days) -
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Deadline: April, 3rd 09:00 am (EST) (when Famitsu or Media Create first make their weekly sales public)
On Sengoku Basara 4, Wii U could be looking forward to a late port, something very unusual for its library, but, hey...
Prediction League April, 2013
Predict how much these titles will sell in the month (from Apr 01 to Apr 28):
[PSV] Hardware (28 days) -
[3DS] Cardfight!! Vanguard Ride to Victory (18 days) -
[3DS] Tomodachi Collection Shin Seikatsu (11 days) -
[PS3+360] Naruto Shippuden Ultimate Ninja Storm 3 (11 days) -
[PSP] 7th Dragon 2020 II (11 days) -
[PS3] Dragon's Dogma Dark Arisen (4 days) -
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Deadline: April, 3rd 09:00 am (EST) (when Famitsu or Media Create first make their weekly sales public)
On Sengoku Basara 4, Wii U could be looking forward to a late port, something very unusual for its library, but, hey...
Yep, that too. If they're so reluctant to develop new entries in seemingly abandoned series like Wave Race and F-Zero they should go down the digital route. An eShop-only F-Zero would be a huge hit.
electroplankton
Banned
Wow, MH rip-offs keep coming one after the other. God Eater should be Summer release as well, IIRC.
lunchwithyuzo
Banned
Additionally it really only underperformed in Japan and is doing fairly well overseas. It's still going to end up outselling BBS worldwide at least.
Gianni Merryman
Member
Yeah, it's been selling surprisingly well in NA for all I know.
[PSV] Hardware (28 days) - 80000
[3DS] Cardfight!! Vanguard Ride to Victory (18 days) - 40000
[3DS] Tomodachi Collection Shin Seikatsu (11 days) - 350000
[PS3+360] Naruto Shippuden Ultimate Ninja Storm 3 (11 days) - 70000
[PSP] 7th Dragon 2020 II (11 days) - 100000
[PS3] Dragon's Dogma Dark Arisen (4 days) - 150000
[3DS] Cardfight!! Vanguard Ride to Victory (18 days) - 40000
[3DS] Tomodachi Collection Shin Seikatsu (11 days) - 350000
[PS3+360] Naruto Shippuden Ultimate Ninja Storm 3 (11 days) - 70000
[PSP] 7th Dragon 2020 II (11 days) - 100000
[PS3] Dragon's Dogma Dark Arisen (4 days) - 150000
shinra-bansho
Member
Interesting. Begs the question, again, what franchises exactly will see a transition to the Wii U - even in multiplatform form. The Ateliers, Yakuzas and Disgaeas people assumed not. But I imagine most would have thought something like this from Capcom, yes.
Gianni Merryman
Member
650.000 shipped between NA and Europe, source khinsider(sorry I can't copy and past the URL right now, but if you google "Kingdom hearts 3DS worldwide sales" that's in the first few results.
ShockingAlberto
Member
Like I said, Nintendo needs to start paying for ports.
It's a bad situation for them to be in, but they don't have a choice.
It's a bad situation for them to be in, but they don't have a choice.
well at this point .
other then draging it out the back and shooting it i agree
Sammy Samusu
Member
Too bad about Wario and Dragon Quest, I never expected anything from these games though.
INB4ITSNOTAMHRIPOFF
Yeah, I have seen that.
I want to know how he knows that the game is doing fairly well overseas and it's going to outsell BBS considering all I can find is that the game is between 300k-400k in USA and sold ~10k last month. So S-E probably hasn't sent a second shipment* since launch.
*650k shipped and KH is bigger in NA. (f.e KHBBS first shipment was 0.31 in NA and 0.19 in EU).
Hey it worked for Microsoft.
Though their system was more comparable to the PS3 (and prior, the PS2) at the time they were doing it than the Wii U will be for devs who move to PS4.
Is it really? If I was a Wii U owner, I'd be rejoicing, and hoping every single one of those mini-game collections Nintendo makes absolutely crater. You really don't need more than one or two of those a generation, but Nintendo's got a bunch. Unless it's ND Cube, who only know how to make mini-games, those resources would be better spent making meatier games than Mario Mini-Sports U.
metalslimer
Member
When Wii Fit,party, and sports bomb I think Nintendo will finally give up on that market like they pretty much have on 3DS. The question is what they do with those teams next. I don't think the whole minigame genre is a bad idea, but Nintendo expecting full price shows they might as well give up because they dont know what theyre doing there anymore.
lunchwithyuzo
Banned
Over 350k US so far, in the 3DS top 10 every month since launch too iirc. It had a (slightly) higher NPD debut than BBS or 358 too.
KH games tend to have long legs on Nintendo handhelds too and 3D seems like it's moving that direction.
Would be bad for Nintendo is expected to pay for every port now, especially since they have done a bad job promoting titles like ninja gaiden razors which probably cost them a bit.
Situation wouldn't be so bad if we at least knew which strategy they are following or where the ship is headed, right now everything seems so clueless. Never had this feeling about Sony and the Vita, they pretty much accepted their position in the market and are playing their part.
Situation wouldn't be so bad if we at least knew which strategy they are following or where the ship is headed, right now everything seems so clueless. Never had this feeling about Sony and the Vita, they pretty much accepted their position in the market and are playing their part.
There was someone in that UE4 thread who was at GDC this year and was talking about Nintendo's apparently successful effort to secure exclusive Japanese content for the next 24 months. He also said something about it all being shown this E3.
Wonder what to make out of that.
Wonder what to make out of that.
electroplankton
Banned
Maybe through collaborations? I can see a parternship with many third parties, like Capcom, Square and Level-5.
Sammy Samusu
Member
I mean on a sales point of view. I do like Wario Ware games though.
And meatier games are being made regardless.
Is there really an demand for Muramasa or is it a small shipment? Well, I suppose the game looks really good on the OLED screen.
And only 20% sellthough for G&W? Maaaaaan, that is disappointing. Do we have any information from the japanese store's blogs of how it is performing apart from this number?
THat may be true in the US but in Europe DDD is nowhere to be seen in shops so I'd assume any sort of legs argument is invalid in this territory. The same seems to be true for Japan. So far what we know from the numbers it'd doing BBS numbers, maybe BBS is slightly higher.
metalslimer
Member
No Nintendo should pay for every single port they can. At least in Japan Wiiu has a much better chance to thrive if people dont see it as a wasteland of no support. Get every single decent selling japanese series on wiiu. Of course its going to hurt them. You dont turn thiss kind of disaster around without losing a lot of money.
A link would be appreciated. Curious to know who said that.
lunchwithyuzo
Banned
They don't need to pay for *every* port, they should just be targeting high profile specific ones. Like MGSV, Dark Souls II, Basara 4, etc.
And incentivising can be more than just a cash dump. Offer more bundles, more promotion, extreme royalty cuts, targeted dev support, co-publishing deals, etc. Nintendo has enough exclusives with their own library, what they need to work on with 3rd parties is getting everything lined up so they're included in the multiplatform chain day one.
I have a feeling that one part of the problem is that Nintendo has never really felt comfortable or natural at competing on the modern console market. It has never been their preferred position to be a platform for the sort of big games third parties make for consoles since the PS1 era. The last time Nintendo was in a position with a system to actually compete this way was the Gamecube, and I think the feeling on that platform was also very similar as it is with the WiiU now.
It's clear that Nintendo was trying to have their cake and eat it as well with the WiiU, where they tried to position it as some sort of "alternate" type of console like the Wii was, but at the same time also something for the "AAA console audience". I don't think that works, and if Nintendo survives this disaster (which they should, maybe not with Iwata intact though), they should really just consider downsizing and admitting that they work best when chasing an audience different from Sony and MS. There can be audience overlap of course, but that has to be due to interest from those audiences, and not an artificial sort of attempt to appeal to them.
metalslimer
Member
Agreed, but i dont think they should downsize. Go after a different market sure, but Nintendo should accept their position as the odd one out and grow to serve the needs of the audience they are targeting because even if they find success again, it will be botched with the lack of games.
Gianni Merryman
Member
Yeah, at the moment Wii U is not in a different situation than 3DS a couple years ago, before MHH3G, 3DMario land and Mario kart 7 were announced; from then on things have changed and Nintendo may have a few aces up their sleeve and use a similar strategy for Wii U.
Only thing, aside from few big IPs(FF, Yakuza, Metal gear) there are not many huge Japanese third-party home-console games, as the big guns are all on handhelds already (DQ, MH), so all Nintendo can hope for is to have some mid-tier games.
Or, to put it down straight, no way I can see Wii U selling nearly as much as 3DS in Japan even in the best possible scenario.
lunchwithyuzo
Banned
Except KH traditionally does the majority of sales in the US alone. BBS is a bit of an abberration in that regard, but it held true for KH, KH2, COM and 358.
3D is likely already pretty close to BBS worldwide, maybe around a couple hundred k behind. It's longterm performance depends entirely on NA legs, but that's how it always seems to go for KH.
This is something that makes a lot of sense to me, because unless I'm missing a point, giving up of your royalty share would not make Nintendo loose any of it's money, would it? They would also not get any money, true, but the support would be there and they could at least sell a few consoles while building a base audience for a genre they are not strong with. They might not win anything, but they would also not be bleeding money, would they?
metalslimer
Member
Nope, MK7 was announced at E3 2010 and 3d land at GDC. 3G was the big surprise of the year but Nintendo already had strong backing fro 3rd parties. The lineup didn't come from nowhere and the wiiu is in a completely different position
I think they should downsize because the amount of money they invest back into their own company and operations is tied to how much they think they can make in the market. As they became more and more successful in the last few years, they also expanded greatly with more acquisitions and so on. If they're going to take a heavy loss with the WiiU and expect the 3DS to be an increasingly shrinking market (especially outside of Japan), then it is time to tighten their belts.
Nintendo is a listed company, so they do have a responsibility to shareholders as well. Cut down on spending, target different markets, bring the company back to high profitability and mindshare, and then maybe they can consider expanding again based on their needs in the future.
WiiU in a completely different position.
Before 3DS was launched anywhere in the world it already had exclusive installments of Resident Evil, Layton, Kingdom Hearts or Inazuma Eleven announced, to name some of them.
Mario Kart was announced before launch too, and Mario Land 3D was announced before launch in NA/EU.
electroplankton
Banned
I do hope next time Nintendo will have one platform, in some way both handheld and home at the same time, on which concentrates all the first party effort. That'd be great.
ShockingAlberto
Member
At the moment, yes, they need to pay for every port.
Because every single game announcement, high profile or otherwise, has said "There will be no Wii U version."
Again, excluding Duck Tales.
Well I looked into the poster you were referring to and I'm not seeing much suggesting he knows the inner workings of Nintendo's contract dealings.
It would also be kind of weird if Japanese developers walked up to him and went "Hey we're making all these Wii U exclusives over the next 24 months." at GDC.
He's also the guy who posted the dudebro MBA thread: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=510630
And seems very sold on the Nintendo vision: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=46915765&postcount=387
He even says in that post (the last one linked) "I'm extremely excited to see the awesome games Nintendo is going to deliver this generation given their focus on lean and efficient teams and their very clear collaborations with other Japanese studios as well", so it's plausible he's extrapolating from their partnerships and statements that they're pursuing more collaborations, and that this is why he is stating they're securing Japanese exclusives (since their collaborations are exclusives).
I can't rule out he has top secret info on the next 24 months of Wii U releases, but I thought I would make a shot at checking the claim.
The search function is kind of assy on mobile so I can't do a detailed search.
However, if you're on desktop, you can search this poster's history: tehrik-e-insaaf