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so much new info made our wires cross?
You missed a few nos out
Gonzo The Great
Banned
Don't you mean the worst Paper Mario game by far? The critics agree. Fire Emblem: Awakening was fantastic, I'll give you that.
Gonzo The Great
Banned
Why is his opinion more valid than mine?
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
Oh, I didn't say that was the case
.Okay this makes me feel dizzy lol.
Where does it say in that post that he thinks Anihawk's opinion is more valid than yours?
ShockingAlberto
Member
I don't think anyone implied it was?
Magicpaint
Member
Doesn't that now make EOIV the best seller in the series? We already knew RF4 was the best too. Also Persona 4 Golden did really well.
It doesn't get worse that the first treatment the DS got with Tempest. Now that was a genuinely bad game.
It doesn't get worse that the first treatment the DS got with Tempest. Now that was a genuinely bad game.
Bruno MB
Member
I blame lunchwithyuzo for misquoting
He quoted a message ("it did?") that was referring to another post that stated that Paper Mario: Sticker Star had bombed in the West.
So I thought he wanted to say that Monster Hunter Tri had sold more units than Paper Mario: Sticker Star. Hence my answer since global shipments for the latest entry in the Paper Mario series were 1.83 million (over 1.3 million in the West).
Of course, after reading the message again it was evident that it was a mistake because that comparison didn't make any sense.
lunchwithyuzo
Banned
Ack! :[
Magicpaint
Member
You'd think so but this is SEGA we're talking about. Have they even announced anything for the 3DS lately apart from Game Gear classics?
Its about time for RF5 to be announced and that could possible top the best selling game in the series that 4 has become.
I wonder how much another port or an original 3D tales would do on the current 3DS install base. It would really depend on whether fans like the way it looks though.
This year's Tales of Festival should be interesting given how many platform Bamco has to choose from. It would be cool to see every platform getting at least one game(though I wouldn't be surprised if the PS3 got a break this year unless they decide to go with Tales of Xillia 3 for some reason).
I wonder how much another port or an original 3D tales would do on the current 3DS install base. It would really depend on whether fans like the way it looks though.
This year's Tales of Festival should be interesting given how many platform Bamco has to choose from. It would be cool to see every platform getting at least one game(though I wouldn't be surprised if the PS3 got a break this year unless they decide to go with Tales of Xillia 3 for some reason).
metalslimer
Member
Wouldn't surprise me if the next Tales is cross gen. Sony probably wants that series very early in the PS4 lifecycle if not at launch in general.
Magicpaint
Member
No reason to put mainline Tales on anything other than PS3 at this moment. PS4 later, sure. But I guess cross gen is also a good idea in terms of transitioning the franchise to a new platform.
Right now, 3DS is another platform that could certainly see a brand new main Tales of entry. I agree with you about PS4: unless it bombs as hell, it'll get main Tales of in the future.
Magicpaint
Member
I don't think they'll do well as they would on PS3 which is pretty mature for the series. I think the mainline entries are best served on one platform. And maybe another for ports, spinoffs, remakes etc.
Sammy Samusu
Member
If they can get another game out that fast I guess. As long as it doesn't end up like Xillia(though I can get Xillia 1 and 2 for like $50 so it has its benefits I guess).
I wouldn't go as far as to call him delusional because its not impossible for a portable Tales title to be announced for release while they work on a console title.
Yeah.
Namco already tried every platform last gen, except the PSP, and Sony home consoles are where the franchise does substantially better.
If they necessarily have to make spinoffs and ports, they should try putting them on 3DS. But that's about it.
And I hope they have abandoned the idea of remaking Tales of Tempest on Vita.
Well, it is Symphonia's 10th anniversary, so the timing would be right.
That said, if it comes out, given the size of the game, I'm going to go out on a limb and guess it's coming to PS3 to capitalize on the current size of the Tales audience there.
biggest launch weeks of 2012
1 DS Pokemon Black 2 816 576
2 DS Pokemon White 2 745 162
3 PS3 One Piece Pirate Musou 655 774
4 PS3 Resident Evil 6 634 933
5 3DS Animal Crossing 603 064
6 3DS Dragon Quest Monsters 513 183
7 3DS New Super Mario Bros 2 407 503
8 Wii Dragon Quest X 367 148
9 PS3 Tales of Xillia 2 364 439
10 PS3 Yakuza 5 356 757
bonus: best launch weeks for other platforms
PSP 2nd Super Robot Wars Z 265 439
WiiU New Super Mario Bros U 163 528
Vita Hatsune Miku 159 592
360 Halo 4 39 312
PS2
1 DS Pokemon Black 2 816 576
2 DS Pokemon White 2 745 162
3 PS3 One Piece Pirate Musou 655 774
4 PS3 Resident Evil 6 634 933
5 3DS Animal Crossing 603 064
6 3DS Dragon Quest Monsters 513 183
7 3DS New Super Mario Bros 2 407 503
8 Wii Dragon Quest X 367 148
9 PS3 Tales of Xillia 2 364 439
10 PS3 Yakuza 5 356 757
bonus: best launch weeks for other platforms
PSP 2nd Super Robot Wars Z 265 439
WiiU New Super Mario Bros U 163 528
Vita Hatsune Miku 159 592
360 Halo 4 39 312
PS2
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
NB should stop doing portable Tales. Just focus on console tales for the PS3/4 as they seem to make the most money there. Does anyone know why Xillia performed so well? If there was another mainline tales on PS3 would it do as well?
Given the problems Xillia had and the huge drop between 1 and 2(as well as how fast the games could be found at bargain prices) I could see it going either way.
Ports, spinoffs and remakes have a place on handhelds. Namco should just be releasing things like Tales of the World and easy ports like TotA and not ToIR/ToHR.
And if some of these overperform greatly on handhelds and there's not a clear home console situation they can try putting a mainline Tales in that handheld.
And if some of these overperform greatly on handhelds and there's not a clear home console situation they can try putting a mainline Tales in that handheld.
Maybe they can even remaster that crappy Wii sequel so they can have a two game remaster package!
Because it bombed relative to Capcom's investment into the game. Did great for just a new IP, though.
Total Software - MC 2012 Top 500
(system - # of sales - # of games)
1. 3DS - 16,457,553 - 107
2. PS3 - 10,764,162 - 139
3. PSP - 6,582,645 - 117
4. WII - 4,833,413 - 43
5. NDS - 4,447,503 - 37
6. PSV - 1,688,710 - 36
7. WIU - 776,580 - 5
8. 360 - 364,526 - 14
9. PS2 - 32,761 - 2
Total Software - MC 2012 Top 500 - First-Party
(system - # of sales - # of games)
1. 3DS - 8,413,709 - 24
2. NDS - 3,766,562 - 16
3. WII - 2,951,304 - 21
4. PS3 - 719,220 - 9
5. WIU - 578,439 - 2
6. PSV - 216,692 - 4
7. 360 - 66,383 - 2
8. PSP - 16,469 - 1
9. PS2 - 0 - 0
Total Software - MC 2012 Top 500 - Third-Party
(system - # of sales - # of games)
1. PS3 - 10,044,942 - 130
2. 3DS - 8,043,844 - 83
3. PSP - 6,566,176 - 116
4. WII - 1,882,109 - 22
5. PSV - 1,472,018 - 32
6. NDS - 680,941 - 21
7. 360 - 298,143 - 12
8. WIU - 198,141 - 3
9. PS2 - 32,761 - 2
Top Publishers - MC 2012 Top 500
(publisher - # of sales - # of games)
1. Nintendo - 11,749,841 - 51
2. Namco Bandai Games - 8,167,229 - 110
3. Capcom - 4,038,017 - 36
4. Nintendo/Pokemon Co. - 3,960,173 - 12
5. Square Enix - 3,695,657 - 34
6. Konami - 2,627,366 - 43
7. SEGA - 2,060,229 - 26
8. Level 5 - 1,582,743 - 20
9. Koei-Tecmo - 1,003,256 - 19
10. SCEI - 952,381 - 14
11. Atlus Co. - 793,035 - 7
12. Marvelous - 556,883 - 6
13. Spike - 468,020 - 12
14. Ubisoft - 362,813 - 7
15. From Software - 359,390 - 3
Others - 3,570,820 - 100
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
Wow is anyone else surprised by that. Though I have to say the PS3 did get an extra 50 titles but it seems Japanese third parties are not jumping on handheld wagon yet.
Whats clear is that Sony need to sort out their first party output in Japan. For a Japanese company its pretty atrocious. You can't forever rely on third parties Sony.
frankie_baby
Member
pretty crazy that ps3 first party isn't much above wii u
Man-is-Obsolete
Member
Throw on top of that console games do a lot better out west conventionally than handheld games. So I don't see 3rd parties jumping out of the console space at all.
I do agree on the Sony first party stuff in Japan, need more output there.
Yeah, my wife has been using her fitbit daily for like i think 2 years now. She was really upset when she lost it in a snow bank and really, umm, appreciative when I found it, ;-). Her wii fit interest just kind of petered out around the time she bought a withings + fitbit.
Nintendo can still make wii u fit a killer product, but if they are thinking that a mere HD update of wii fit will pull big numbers, they are going to be disappointed.
electroplankton
Banned
NB shouldn't stop doing portable Tales. On PSP, they were selling like crazy. They just have to find the right portable device. Vita doesn't seem to be able to sustain sales like in PSP hey-days, while 3DS could, given the huge installed base, Abyss sales and a quite different userbase with respect to DS.
my hat is better.
Yes.
They did a Top 500 and then later a Top 1000 last year. Will see if they repeat it this year.
Well yeah - ha ha. But now you're just being silly for the purpose of being a word perfectionist. Of course nothing can only ever be sold exactly at cost all the time. You'd have to have official retail price drops of $2 every other week - now how ridiculous would that be?
So I was obviously referring to a net neutral strategy throughout the generation, where you end up selling the system basically at cost when averaged out across the system. So you time the price drops at certain inflection points, so that you're making some small losses in the periods after the price drops, and some small profits in the periods before the price drops.
For a company like Nintendo that can sell a lot of 1st-party software, that keeps the system itself in the black.
Companies have pursued a wide variety of strategies on hardware. Just in the past few cycles, MS and Sony took massive losses with XBox and PS3, Nintendo took massive profits with DS and Wii, and MS took massive losses in the first half of the gen with 360, and then finished the back half of the gen with big profits on the Kinect hardware.
I was just pointing out that I don't see any upside in Nintendo taking losses on the WiiU. Treat it as the Gamecube - keep it at cost (again - averaged out - I don't mean it has to be at cost every single day of the year) so that you're making some money off the software, and let the 3DS carry you for the next few years. That's what they did with the Gamecube, and they still earned ~400-500M per year in profits.
And hey, it's still very early, so the WiiU may get some breakout software and elevate itself beyond the Gamecube, but it seems pretty clear that the 3rd-parties have largely made their choices, and it's not with the WiiU. Taking big losses on the hardware to help move some systems won't help that. I mean, if the Wii's massive runaway success couldn't get 3rd-parties on board with their top teams and franchises, a big price cut on the WiiU certainly won't do it.
My concern with that is that the system is selling so anemically, right now, that I'm not sure even Nintendo's big hitters will make much impact with the price so high. With GameCube, it launched at the $199 mass-market price and went down from there. With Wii U, it's effectively $150 above even the GameCube launch price, and that was dropped $50 6 months after launch, in the U.S., (which, by the way, was its by far best-selling territory). If the big hitters come out before a substantial price drop and barely move the sales needle, they'll have blown their load without much to show for it. A price drop after that isn't going to work as well without the new software to back it up and despite Nintendo's affinity to sell software long-term, it's still hard to sell software late when you don't sell much of it early.
What you say makes sense, but I just don't think it's a workable plan at the high price the Wii U is, right now. The software sales will be extremely damaged if the system itself isn't at a price people are willing to jump on board for with the right software. Therefore, I still think getting down to $250 with the "real" system (i.e. the Deluxe model) should be something heavy on Nintendo's minds ASAP.
Allan Holdsworth
Member
It's fine if you hate the game, even if it's for dumb reasons, but don't spread misinformation.
Agree, and I have a theory that they are preparing a price drop to coincide with Wii Fit U and Pikmin in June or July.
I'm sure they don't want to cut the price, but the situation is worse than 3DS and they acted quickly then..
Well it turns out P4G isn't the best selling handheld Persona after all yet.
Persona 3 Portable (Best Price) - 109,832
Persona 3 Portable [From Garaph] - 208,877
Total - 318709
Persona 4 Golden - 232639
It will probably eventually pass it, especially when the price drops, but as of now P3P is the better selling handheld Persona
Persona 3 Portable (Best Price) - 109,832
Persona 3 Portable [From Garaph] - 208,877
Total - 318709
Persona 4 Golden - 232639
It will probably eventually pass it, especially when the price drops, but as of now P3P is the better selling handheld Persona
Half the releases, 20% more sales!
Bbzzzzt reaching back almost 15 years for comparisons usually makes them pretty shakey ;-)
Correct me if I'm wrong but they didn't have to have released them in 2012 to make the top 500, so it's probably cumulative with things like Metal Gear Solid 4 and Peace walker still on the list.
I think his main point still stands though, that SS wasn't the first Zelda that required additional hardware.
OK, yeah, I was wrong guys, ya got me on the peripheral point- I always forget MM as its the only one I missed
So SS isn't the only Zelda to ever need a peripheral, but it is the only one within well over a decade, and if anything my main point still stands- neither MM or SS are a good guide to the health of the series as a whole at their respective release at the end of a console lifespan and requiring a pack-in, I still maintain the DS games are a better barometer than SS.
Having said that, a 3DS one will sell shedloads but I'm not sure even Zelda will do anything for the WiiU unless its part of a huge flood of decent software.
I'm sure it is on their minds for the near future, although maybe not ASAP. A drop right now without any meaningful software to accompany it wouldn't accomplish much of anything. They have to know that there is software accompanying the drop, or coming very soon afterwards.
I'm guessing the WiiU launched with the basic model losing money and the premium model being much closer to break-even, if not at a small profit. So even with my rough numbers from before, the premium model may already be close enough to the $325 inflection point that would make dropping to $300 a no-brainer. Getting it to $250 by the fall would be a lot more difficult in the short term, but likely not impossible. First, kill the dual-SKU strategy. One SKU, but drop the Nintendo Land pack-in. Let's say that half of the people buying the premium SKU don't pick up a game with the console because it comes with a pack-in, and that those people will now grab a game (likely 1st-party) when they buy the new SKU. That gives the Nintendo Land pack-in a very rough value of ~$20 that can come off of each hardware unit cost (assuming Nintendo makes about $40 per software unit). So now we're getting closer to making $250 work. I'm thinking something along these lines probably equates to a drop more along the lines of $269 or $279 instead of $250, but yeah - Nintendo wants to get the price down as fast as possible. But they want to keep the financials from becoming a complete mess as well.
Ever since Pokemon hit on the GameBoy, the handhelds have been far more important to Nintendo than the home consoles. The handhelds sustain Nintendo - the home consoles can provide some additional revenue streams (and some big ones when they hit a home-run like the Wii), but the handhelds keep Nintendo alive. That's why they cut the very successful GBA short and rushed out the DS to match Sony with the PSP. That's why they took the steps they did with the 3DS. And that's why they didn't cut the Gamecube short and rush out the Wii when it was clear the Gamecube was dead, even though the Wii was basically just a Gamecube with a new controller.
Also keep in mind, the 3DS launched at a healthy profit per unit. They had room to be aggressive on price without crippling themselves financially - that's not the case with the WiiU. And even with the 3DS price drop, they still had the 3DS hardware profitable again within a year. It was a drastic step, and an important one, but it wasn't the extremely dramatic bloodletting that a lot of people seem to ascribe it to be.