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Media Create Sales: Week 14, 2013 (Apr 01 - Apr 07)
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Gonzo The Great
Banned
My guess is it will just be a 3DS with an HD screen.
FreedomFighter
Member
Quality software that maintains its price and value assisted by word-of-mouth.
This is all speculation anyways. I doubt he's stepping down soon. But he'll always have a spot at Nintendo.
Graphics Horse
Member
Yes that's one possibility, and they could throw in some extra inputs and make it double as a second Wii U controller.
HD would be unlikely to work on old games so you'd need a new batch, but there would be a possibility of some new games working on both systems with enhancements, like GBC.
electroplankton
Banned
Haha maybe. I was meaning in the near future.
Bruno MB
Member
3DS may easily be the least profitable Nintendo handheld, let alone Wii U on the console front.
So that's reason enough for a company like Nintendo to fire Iwata. The worst thing about him is that you feel that he doesn't have a well-defined strategy if any.
Yup, that is a big problem. They should really cut down on R&D. I remember seeing the comparison of R&D rising every year.
I sincerely doubt anything would change if another person replaced him.
frankie_baby
Member
Doesn't r&d include game dev costs? If so its rather understandable its rising every year
Probably he'll wind up as CEO of Espressius, a JV between Namco Bandai and Nintendo.
I'm not sure about game dev costs. If you compared their GC era R&D to their Wii era R&D, it increased by A LOT.
The strategy would be defined and decided by the CEO and other executives.
...How? No seriously, how on earth did this happen?
why wouldn't it have been out? The game started development before they even knew about the 3ds, or what platform it would have been on if I remember correctly. Yeah it may have been delayed a bit, but I dont think the choice of platform would have been a big postponement. Perhaps making it in HD, would add time. But i think just designing the game in general was the biggest time sink.
Hopefully with Nintendo conjoining their handheld and console development, and with the possibility that their next system could be a home console handheld hybrid. I think we wont have to worry about this issue in the future. They are definitely spread too thin across 2 platforms.
Isn't that what's already happening? It's not as though Iwata's the one making all of the decisions by himself.
Uhhh
GC Era -> R&D towards a new console (Wii)
Wii Era -> R&D towards a new console (WiiU)
Which do you think required more R&D?
I imagine it was the hardware stuff they were doing. Like during the GC era, I understand that R&D would have steadily increased due to the Wii and DS being new things entirely. Then the 3DS and the Wii U had things that were new too (glasses-less 3D, low-latency streaming).
The important thing to note is that the R&D during the Wii era increased a hell of a lot more than the GC era. I'm trying to find the numbers exactly.
EDIT: Closest thing I could find is this:
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=222838
Their 2006 and 2007 IR Earnings Releases don't seem to have R&D costs there, gonna look into it further.
EDIT2: They apparently put R&D with with other expense accounts on the financial statements
The thing is that there seems to be a lack of a long-term vision/strategy.
BishopLamont
Banned
Doubt it. This isn't high school, there's no shame in stepping down as CEO and take on another role, he's a developer at heart.
The 3DS is doing pretty well, and the Wii U is less than 6 months old, like I said, give him this generation at least to see how things play out.
Make products that sell well like they have always been doing? If they managed to get through the Gamecube and making profit, I'm sure they keep it up. Their software is their bread and butter and I don't see that changing any time soon.
It's almost inconceivable to me that games like Wii Fit U could miss their target. Same goes for Pikmin 3, but for a different reason (time in development rather than simplicity of development)
That is the goal of any business that creates products. The Gamecube had a successful Gameboy Advance. Their software has had no problem really, but they need hardware that is selling well to support that software.
And the WiiU has a successful 3DS to look forward to. The 3DS has a likely shot at matching (if not surpassing) the GBA HW and SW totals overall, and the 3DS is now profitable with hardware as well. If anything, I'd say that 3DS has a bigger upside on hardware profitability than the GBA, because the GBA was at $99 and then $79. So there just wasn't room for much of any profits on hardware at those prices.
Even if the WiiU turns out to be GC 2.0, there's no reason (barring another 3 or 4 years of getting hammered by the strength of the Yen) that Nintendo can't have similarly profitable years coming up (as compared with the GC/GBA years). But they have to be careful with how they treat the WiiU. If they cut the price too deeply, too quickly, they could easily find themselves in a spot where the WiiU losses become too much for the 3DS to adequately compensate for.
It's going to be tricky seeing how they handle the WiiU. But it doesn't need to be an impediment on them repeating the GC/GBA financial situation.
test_account
XP-39C²
Has the chart with the all the systems been updated recently? I think Kazerei used to post it. I want to see how the Dreamcast and Vita tracking has been recently.
Good sales by Luigi Mansion 2 and Muramasa Vita. I guess that Marvelous are glad that they decided to port Muramasa
Good sales by Luigi Mansion 2 and Muramasa Vita. I guess that Marvelous are glad that they decided to port Muramasa
Who said that? I think i saw someone asking question if it could happen, but i dont think i saw anyone who claimed that it would happen, hence why i ask about who said it
This is what I call complete and utter delusion, where one person's myopic fanboy view of a person overwrites all business reality and likely what the individual actually wants:
SlipperySlope
Banned
Yes it was. The only unexpected thing was how long the bump was. It'll be below 10K again soon.
Nintendo has strong IPs but third party games are a large driving force for HW sales. It's why the PS3 is still selling in Japan, and why the Wii has fallen into obscurity. If the PS4 has a large bulk of third party support of next-gen third party support for consoles, which it most likely will, it's practically impossible for it to falter. Not with a strong library. Better yet if it's reasonably priced.
The Wii U could certainly pick up with major games at a time when PS4's library is still meager, but that's just a short term hindrance for PS4.
That is certainly true, but it took PS3 a long long time to get a steady enough stream of 3rd party games to really have it start selling decently.
Sony lacks the first party power to carry a console the first year- 3rd party support needs to be there in force right from the start.
Given the 3DS and the continued viability of the PS3, I have my doubts that we will see a ton of PS4 exclusive stuff for launch and well into 2014.
SlipperySlope
Banned
What annoys me is when people talk about baselines. Hardware does not have baselines. Sales go up when software comes out. Sales go down when software doesn't come out. Holidays increase sales. There has never been a "baseline" for any console that is still alive.
Seems likely. We'll see at TGS and throughout the year after E3 to see some announcements for PS4, but I expect some publishers to still stick on PS3 (in addition to handhelds) for a while. I still think that even if the PS4 starts slow in the beginning, it should really pick up in the long term.
jeremy1456
Junior Member
Who said that? I think i saw someone asking question if it could happen, but i dont think i saw anyone who claimed that it would happen, hence why i ask about who said it
I don't remember who specifically, but there were a lot of insane predictions about the baseline rising even in the face of an upcoming software drought.
Starfish Hero
Member
The only reason Nintendo is still relevant is because of Iwata's leadership in the seventh generation. We can all agree the eighth is on a bad start for Nintendo, but it would be way too rash of a decision to fire Iwata now. I give him until at least next year before firing him could be a good idea.
yep, people here are often too extreme with their predictions. I was very surprised by the Vita optimism in last weeks media create thread. I don't know about 30k baseline predictions, but almost everyone was predicting 20k+. I'm sticking with my 12k prediction from last week.
I understand your point, but for practical purposes baselines clearly exist. Vita and Wii U are perfect examples of it, with numerous weeks with no increase or decrease of more than 1k.
jeremy1456
Junior Member
12k for Vita sales on next week on media create or as the new baseline?
We've seen tons of price drops in the past, and without compelling software none have ever raised a baseline alone.
Nintendo's not doing much R&D stuff on that. They use existing tech, not create it.
Hmm. Thinking about it more and more as of late, I can see why and sympathize with the argument Iwata should be replaced by someone else. Whoever that someone else may be would maybe/maybe not do the right things for Nintendo.
I personally feel where Nintendo falls short right now is the little things. Weekly sales on their eShops, an account system, dish out all the VC titles they can and etc.
At that same token, that NES article I read last week is pretty much right why I'm so leery about replacing Iwata right away. I don't even know the guy personally, and for all I know he could be a massive pendejo outside of Nintendo, but he's pretty adorable whenever he speaks on ND and seems like he has a big time passion for Nintendo and his job. Its just being adorable and having that passion doesn't pay the bills unfortunately. =p
I personally feel where Nintendo falls short right now is the little things. Weekly sales on their eShops, an account system, dish out all the VC titles they can and etc.
At that same token, that NES article I read last week is pretty much right why I'm so leery about replacing Iwata right away. I don't even know the guy personally, and for all I know he could be a massive pendejo outside of Nintendo, but he's pretty adorable whenever he speaks on ND and seems like he has a big time passion for Nintendo and his job. Its just being adorable and having that passion doesn't pay the bills unfortunately. =p
frankie_baby
Member
sorry but just because they 'use existing tech' doesn't mean they dont do much r&d on it, if anything its more, researching how it all can fit together usably
Lmao! Video link naow!Well done Luigi
Defending the top spot like a queen
Do we know how much of a loss they took on each unit sold with the 3DS? They've been selling it at a loss for a year. They aren't suddenly gaining a large margin on each unit sold.
Do we know at how much of a profit they made with each unit sold with the GBA? I don't doubt that the 3DS could overtake the GBA in terms of sales, but in terms of profit/money, I wouldn't be able to say whether it is better. The GBA has rarely seen pricedrops, and was hovering around at a nice $99.
Though I do think Nintendo's next handheld should be around the $100-150 price point. It will be very attractive.
Who said that? I think i saw someone asking question if it could happen, but i dont think i saw anyone who claimed that it would happen, hence why i ask about who said it
I only recall only one person saying 30K as the baseline. I remember because I asked them about it lol.
As frankie said, I didn't claim they created it, but they must have done quite a bit of work to figure out how to use it.
I found it and posted it in a previous thread, lemme go and find the link.
EDIT: Found this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8qQT5oAcSc
Though I found a news link that explained what was going on before.
Do we know how much of a loss they took on each unit sold with the 3DS? They've been selling it at a loss for a year. They aren't suddenly gaining a large margin on each unit sold.
Do we know at how much of a profit they made with each unit sold with the GBA? I don't doubt that the 3DS could overtake the GBA in terms of sales, but in terms of profit/money, I wouldn't be able to say whether it is better. The GBA has rarely seen pricedrops, and was hovering around at a nice $99.
Though I do think Nintendo's next handheld should be around the $100-150 price point. It will be very attractive.
We know that XL was selling at a profit from day 1, and we can safely assume 3DS became profitable sometime in the past year.
When comparing it to the GBA, the key distinction is 3DS has only been out for just 2 years, so 3DS should have 3 (or 4 imo) more years of being profitable before the successor launches. And of course, it should only become more profitable as the parts become cheaper.
I understand the idea that Nintendo could follow up 3DS with a $100-150 handheld for the sake of NA consumers, but it seems extremely unlikely. It makes more sense to release more powerful hardware (perhaps something like Vita) and have 3DS be the cheaper option 4 years from now.
Wouldn't that make it possible to have it at around the $100-$150 pricepoint with that? Maybe slightly more powerful.
Well done Luigi
Defending the top spot like a queen
Sorry to just jump in and not even talk about the threads subject..
But did she just catch a chair one handed? After passing off her purse from her left hand to her right hand like its a daily operation?
StreetsAhead
Member
Something something LinkedIn Secret project something something hiring for a new project with a big publisher something something watch it be Ubisoft something something
March: Game & Wario
April: Pokemon Rumble U
May on: It's not too late to announce something for May and on.
You seriously believe that, say, sticking a Sharp tech into the 3DS costs more than developing the tech in the first place? Really?
cj_iwakura
Member
Ouch at Fate's drop.
Well, Rin had her time.
Well, Rin had her time.
metalslimer
Member
You mean you wouldnt want to be demoted, go back to doing something you haven't done in over a decade in a field that has rapidly advanced
This empathy some people seem to have with a person they've never met or spoken to is weird
frankie_baby
Member
there was an element of exaggeration to show my point, r&d for their systems costs an arm and a leg
She's got good battle sense.
It's Tomodatchi Collection lol
http://www.nintendo.co.jp/3ds/interview/ec6j/vol1/index.html
Do we know how much of a loss they took on each unit sold with the 3DS? They've been selling it at a loss for a year. They aren't suddenly gaining a large margin on each unit sold.
They announced back in late July 2012 that 3DS hardware was no longer losing money. The timing of the announcement (just a few days before the XL launched in Japan and Europe, but a good month before the XL launched in NA) makes it difficult to know if they were referring to each model individually breaking even, or if the profits from the XL that would have already been shipped by that announcement were already making up for whatever small losses were still left on the original model.
But either way, the 3DS hardware has been profitable (or at least break-even) for almost a year now, so I'm guessing that the margins have started moving into a pretty decent place by now. If they really want to give the 3DS a strong push in NA and Europe this fall heading into the holiday season, I wouldn't be surprised if the margins are strong enough to allow them to drop the price to 149/179 (or maybe just $169 for the XL, with the original model phased out completely if it would be a drag on profits at $149) somewhere around the launch of Pokemon, and still keep the hardware right around break-even at that pricepoint.