ShockingAlberto
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Media Create Sales: Week 2, 2013 (Jan 07 - Jan 13)
- Thread starter Chris1964
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I always think people thay say f zero is faster then wipeout havent played wipeout. (F zero x)
F zero starts out faster but wipeout really ramps it up more.
Thunder Monkey
Banned
Damn I was only 80,000 units off my projection.
So close!
So close!
I got Wipe Out HD for free and played it on a 3D TV. It's really impressive looking that way. But being a racing illiterate I probably didn't get good enough to taste the true speed of Wipe Out. In F-Zero it's hard to miss it though. Again, different design approach.
Portugeezer
Member
Cosmo Clock 21
Banned
Negative sales? Are those like system returns due to BLoD or something?
Yeah F Zero feels fast from the get go, very responsive.
Wipeout is floaty and gets extremely fast later on.
Love both games to death
Thunder Monkey
Banned
Past week I projected almost 100,000 unit sales for WiiU.
It was a joke I did. Kind of fell flat. Let me do that other post though.
Some users seem to love to compare PSV with WiiU.
It´s interesting that WiiU already sold nearly 2/3 what PSV did since 2011.
WiiU 730.490
PSV 1.118.372
Software is even more interesting. (lunchwithyuzos list/ Famitsu 2012)
In 4 weeks:
001 WIU New Super Mario Bros. U (381,315)
002 WIU Nintendo Land (214,374)
003 WIU Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate (166,908)
In 52 weeks:
001 PSV Persona 4 Golden (229,044)
002 PSV Hatsune Miku: Project DIVA f (200,131)
003 PSV Gravity Rush (80,597)
It´s interesting that WiiU already sold nearly 2/3 what PSV did since 2011.
WiiU 730.490
PSV 1.118.372
Software is even more interesting. (lunchwithyuzos list/ Famitsu 2012)
In 4 weeks:
001 WIU New Super Mario Bros. U (381,315)
002 WIU Nintendo Land (214,374)
003 WIU Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate (166,908)
In 52 weeks:
001 PSV Persona 4 Golden (229,044)
002 PSV Hatsune Miku: Project DIVA f (200,131)
003 PSV Gravity Rush (80,597)
Yeah F Zero feels fast from the get go, very responsive.
Wipeout is floaty and gets extremely fast later on.
Love both games to death
That sounds about right. I loved the original SNES F-Zero. Only racing game I really played a lot (still not that good at it). I played the Wipe Out demo that came with the PS1 and a bit of WOHD. Like I said, I just don't care for racing games enough.
Thunder Monkey
Banned
Better comparison would be with the Cube anyway.
Ollie Pooch
In a perfect world, we'd all be homersexual
Wipeout is an excellent series that didn't sell, same as F-Zero. Are you seriously saying it's lacking in gameplay?
test_account
XP-39C²
I dont think the WiiU and Vita comparison is 1:1 by sales numbers, but rather that both systems are selling lower than expected (WiiU is on the way if the current trend doesnt suddently change). And as Chris1964 said, many of the arugmenets are near identical, you can insert Vita or WiiU into the same arguments. There are several of similarities between the Vita and the WiiU, that is mainly why the comparison is being made.
There Really isn't. Sony doesn't have a strong first party and Nintendi is by far Japan's largest publisher for years now. How is that similar?
Nintendo has bigger guns when it comes to first party though.
test_account
XP-39C²
Vita is having low hardware sales, the WiiU is heading in that direction. The arguements is about "WiiU need more games", the exact same thing goes for the Vita as well. Lack of 3rd party support (at least so far) is also a shared factor between the Vita and the WiiU.
Absolutely, but the arguements around the Vita and WiiU are very similar right now.
I think there is a huge difference between "wait for" Persona4G, Hatsune Miku, Gravity Rush, 3rd party announcements (for PSV) and "wait for" Nintendo 1st party announcements.
The fact you put quotes around the word talent as if to try and discredit Sony Liverpool in some way just invalidates the entire point you're trying to make. The Wipeout games were some of the most technically advanced and incredible-looking games on PlayStation hardware - on all the systems they were released for.
The fact they were shut down has nothing to do with talent - in fact rumour has it they were offered positions at Evolution just down the road, so obviously Sony wanted to keep hold of the developers themselves. The reason was the games didn't sell very well.
Plenty of games don't sell well. It doesn't make developers "less talented" just because their games aren't commercially successful.
Right now, I think you can either give nintendo the benefit of the doubt or just label them incompetent. Clearly the latter is far easier, but I decry all this doom-speak because just like it was with Sony and the Vita a year ago, it's quite unclear what nintendo's overall strategy is with the system beyond its launch. Is it literally nothing? Almost certainly not. And there's still a good chance their plan is a foolish one, but I'd rather wait to see how 2013 plays out before making a firm prediction.
jeremy1456
Junior Member
Except Nintendo has a huge stable of gigantic franchises that are undoubtedly going to see installments on the Wii U.
Sony doesn't have anything nearly that big in their backlog. Meanwhile Sony hardware relies on third parties and they don't seem very interested in supporting it.
That's the difference.
It's not ideal to compared the Dreamcast because it will be facing the holiday weeks by its 6th week, so the sales are not surprisingly higher.
I've put all the January sales for the comparable week for a bunch of systems. I didn't include Xbox, PS2, GBA and WS because they were released in Mar/Feb.
You know, with all the comparisons lately, the Dreamcast really hasn't looked that bad overall!
metalslimer
Member
The fact that there is even a slight comparison to Vita is telling enough. Being "not Vita" is not an impressive achievement. But yes Nintendo does have the advantage of their first party titles, but until the big games actually hit there nothing is different. There will still be the same crash in sales that probably caused many publishers to cancel Vita games and lose faith and the very worst thing you can have in a first year platform is a lack of faith in an environment where your system is not going to be an easy porting partner.
test_account
XP-39C²
Sure, sales potential the Nintendo 1st party titles are way ahead of those titles indeed. But there are similarities between the Vita and WiiU situation eventhough that the numbers wont be 1:1 to eachother.
Yeah, there are differences as well, but there are several of similarities too.
They are. Thing is that the future for the Wii U is automatically looking brighter 'cause of the simple fact that we know there will be a Mario Kart U, Smash Bros, Zelda, Mario 3D game etc. coming out.
electroplankton
Banned
With the difference that we know that Nintendo will release Mario Kart, Kirby, Mario 3D, Super Smash Bros., Zelda, Donkey Kong, etc., i.e. an handful of big franchises. Vita never had a game with a fifth of such sales potential.
This is the same argument people had for 3DS and lo and behold! Things turned out O-K.
Of course, the console scene is drastically different so you can't say the same thing will happen here, but the core principle remains the same.
Yeah, wait for wiifit, Mario Kart, Wii Sports, Animal Crossing, Wii party/Mario Party, 3D Mario, Smash Bros, Dinkey Kong, Wario Ware, Rythem Heaven and more is exactly the same as wait for Soul Sacrifice, FfX HD. I agree.
metalslimer
Member
I think most people agree Wii U won't die like a miserable death like Vita is heading towards, but the fact that Wii U will probably fall under Vita for a few weeks is inexcusable
Edit: I didn't think the price of the wii u was an issue at all in japan. Although I guess Japan may be more price conscious of systems than ever.
Edit: I didn't think the price of the wii u was an issue at all in japan. Although I guess Japan may be more price conscious of systems than ever.
I'll give you lack of third parties, but is the Wii U really considered high price? It's pretty much in line with other home consoles. Whereas Vita is higher than other handhelds, plus the memory cards are expensive.
First Party (SCE WWS)
SCE Japan Studio
Polyphony Digital
Naughty Dog
SCE Santa Monica Studio
SCE San Diego Studio
SCE Bend Studio
SCE Foster City Studio
Sucker Punch Productions
SCE London Studio
SCE Cambridge Studio
Evolution Studios
Guerrilla Games
Media Molecule
Second Party
Clap Hanz
Cellius
Insomniac Games
Ready at Dawn Studios
Idol Minds
Sanzaru Games
Zindagi Games
SuperBot Entertainment
Minority
Giant Sparrow
Quantic Dream
Tarsier Studios
Double Eleven
Novarama
Supermassive Games
Plastic Games
... but yeah, Sony hardware relies on third parties...
metalslimer
Member
How many of these studios make games that the Japanese give a crap about? Sony is completely reliant on 3rd parties in Japan and that is a factual statement. In the west, the situation is pretty much the same. Nintendo is probably the only 1st party who could even semi survive a console with no 3rd party support.
test_account
XP-39C²
That is true. It might be over a year until those games comes out however (i'm guessing one of them are out for holiday 2013), i wonder how that will affect the overall interest in the WiiU. It shall be interesting to see what will happen.
I don't care what Nintendo will release 1-2 years from now. It remains a "wait for" and is unknown if the reaction of market to these games will be GameCube or Wii. NSMB showed the way, nothing is guaranteed anymore. If you want to believe otherwise believe it, there is complete lack of hype for the system right now.
What if nintendo's actual strategy is to ignore Wii U for about a year?
What if they're actually thinking "1 year advantage? Pfft. Whatever. Any sales in the first 3/4 of 2013 are just bonus. We'll have a 'real' blowout when the competition arrives."
It'd be asinine and ridiculous and flat out stupid of course. But part of me thinks this is what's actually going to (unintentionally) happen
What if they're actually thinking "1 year advantage? Pfft. Whatever. Any sales in the first 3/4 of 2013 are just bonus. We'll have a 'real' blowout when the competition arrives."
It'd be asinine and ridiculous and flat out stupid of course. But part of me thinks this is what's actually going to (unintentionally) happen
The majority of those will never develop a Vita game and most of them don't even come remotely close to the sales potential of the first party Nintendo studios. Most Vita games are being made by B and C studios.
Wii U is not Vita.
Wii U is not doomed.
Nintendo is not doomed.
BUT, how can Iwata & co make the same mistake they made with 3DS? The same mistake that tanked the company's 30+ year run of profitability? It's puzzling mismanagement, and in many companies it would cost executives their jobs.
The launch was fine, but the immediate window afterwards has been disastrous.
Wii U is not doomed.
Nintendo is not doomed.
BUT, how can Iwata & co make the same mistake they made with 3DS? The same mistake that tanked the company's 30+ year run of profitability? It's puzzling mismanagement, and in many companies it would cost executives their jobs.
The launch was fine, but the immediate window afterwards has been disastrous.
test_account
XP-39C²
I dont think that is the case. Iwata has been saying that it is important to have a steady flow of games. "Leaving" the WiiU on the market for a year could be very risky. A relaunch (so to speak) is possible, but it can be very risky.What if nintendo's actual strategy is to ignore Wii U for about a year?
What if they're actually thinking "1 year advantage? Pfft. Whatever. Any sales in the first 3/4 of 2013 are just bonus. We'll have a 'real' blowout when the competition arrives."
It'd be asinine and ridiculous and flat out stupid of course. But part of me thinks this is what's actually going to (unintentionally) happen
Nintendo do afterall have some 1st party games coming within the first half of 2013. Pikmin 3, Game & Wario, WiiFit U and Lego City Undercover (no release date for these 4 games, but i think they will make it within the first half of 2013).
electroplankton
Banned
The fact is that: it won't be a Vita again. You cannot compare the situation. The "wait for" excuse for Vita was: wait for unannounced games (that didn't exist: Monster Hunter) or wait for niche games (i.e. Persona, Miku, Gravity Daze, etc.). The "wait for" in this case is for games that could sell well and make the hardware sell. Nintendo has a bunch of IP that will release for sure and will help selling the console; Sony, at most, had Little Big Planet.
Also: Vita had two strong competitors. 3DS and PSP were always selling better. The former, in particular, was selling extremely well. Wii U doesn't have strong direct competitors, and it won't have them until the end of the year. PS3 relies on an active, though quite established, userbase but it's not selling much better. Again, it's not as Vita in 2012.
Come on, I agree that the situation is really bad, but being so clear-cut is quite specious.
metalslimer
Member
I think the point is that the situations surrounding them are currently similar, not that in the end they will sell the same.
Agree, most of 2013 is going to be brutal for the Wii U. And Pikmin 3 ain't going to move hardware (although, ironically, it's pretty much the only reason as to why I bought a Wii U at the moment).
axisofweevils
Holy crap! Today's real megaton is that more than two people can have the same first name.
Sony fanbase is pretty vocal in here ( look at last week´s thread) + home console bias. NeoGAF is still mainly a american forum. Not a problem, but you have to expect certain things in such territories. That said, Nintendo has to react. Fast. They shouldn´t wait anymore. Just clearly stating what we already know (Zelda U, Mario U, Mario Kart U etc) would be a start.
Majmun
Member
What if nintendo's actual strategy is to ignore Wii U for about a year?
What if they're actually thinking "1 year advantage? Pfft. Whatever. Any sales in the first 3/4 of 2013 are just bonus. We'll have a 'real' blowout when the competition arrives."
It'd be asinine and ridiculous and flat out stupid of course. But part of me thinks this is what's actually going to (unintentionally) happen
Lmao
Yeah right. Wii U reeks like a N64 or Gamecube so far. You people are giving Nintendo too much credit when it comes to their mass appeal anyway.
Their consoles always struggled since N64. The Wii was a success, but that's thanks to the motion controls. The Wii U will bring Nintendo back to moderate console success. Everything so far is pointing it that way.
electroplankton
Banned
Well, for that I think we have to wait a bit more. What if Wii U could sell an average of 20k weekly with no games?