Bit of both. I bet they are a select few who want to replicate the 3DS "fix".
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Media Create Sales: Week 28, 2013 (Jul 08 - Jul 14)
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Bit of both. I bet they are a select few who want to replicate the 3DS "fix".
Gianni Merryman
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I must have missed that, are there any DLC numbers from Famitsu?
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
L5 games don't and judging form previous pikmin they get 20-30% of their sales week one. However that does not mean Pikmin 3 will have the same legs.
I don't mean to call you out in particular, but as a Nintendo fan, I really don't like this mind set some of you guys have at the moment. I mean sure, some stuff like calling for Iwata's blood in every thread can get pretty old (before anyone asks, I'm pretty neutral on that debate!), but this thread shows a clear problem with the Wii U's momentum. Even if the Pikmin 3 debut was okay, tripling the Wii U's lackluster numbers to 33,000 is still pretty bad news.
Fact is, it's pretty natural for there to be a lot of threads that focus on Nintendo's bad news, when it keeps piling up like this. Just because someone is pointing out reality doesn't mean they are shitting on it! Hell, I personally love a ton of aspects about the Wii U, such as Miiverse, the kick ass controllers, and having imo, the best 2D Mario ever made, with an awesome expansion pack to boot! But fact is, it seems like every time Nintendo attempts to make the Wii U situation better business wise, things seem to keep getting worse.
On a side note, it'll be interesting to see how the Wii U does vs the PS4 in Japan. Maybe it's just me, but it seems like the PS4 has a very Western focused launch vs where Nintendo is trying to take the Wii U. It'll be interesting to see if how the market reacts to that, since it seems like despite that launch, most Japanese developers seem to have mostly ignored the Wii U, but seem to be paying attention to the PS4 or sticking with the PS3 (though that seems to be on its last legs).
SolarPowered
Member
They had everything except the talent and experience necessary for an HD console.
I think Nintendo expected it to sell over a long period of time.
Because there isn't only 500K Mairo fans and don't think NSMBU alone is worth it.
No, I think it was only available digitally.
I think the 2 day thing can be valid on a very small level, and might give Pikmin better initial legs than it otherwise would, but long term it means nothing obviously.
Probably not because it was quite easy to play any region games on those systems. (Except Xbox as I'm not familiar)
Master system wasn't locked. NES was just a piece of plastic.
pieatorium
Member
It's obviously just a priority thing, you ca see sony is basically the opposite.
Nintendo were still supporting DS right up to 3ds was out with big games where as wii support was practically dead before u hit.. Sony's got big stuff for ps3 still rolling but abandoned psp and left vita out to dry.
Speak for yourself. Neogaf = Believe. Its roots are positive. Shitting on things = not what Neogaf should aim for.
An explanation is not always the same as an excuse.
Mango The Magician
Banned
Skyward Sword was barely a year-old when the Wii U launched.
cleveridea
Member
wow, given the long development time is it possible pikmin 3 wont even be profitable? Or is this a franchise that always did bad in japan but sells well other countries?
The handheld business is its bread and butter.
airmangataosenai
Member
Numbers are almost exactly what I thought they'd be.
People have to understand that you don't go from zero to 100 in 1 second, we'd be able to tel if the system was about to sell 30k+ this week much earlier.
People have to understand that you don't go from zero to 100 in 1 second, we'd be able to tel if the system was about to sell 30k+ this week much earlier.
Nevermind the fact that many of these consoles had easy, cheap ways to play games from a different region, it doesn't matter. Home consoles (except Nintendo's) have been region free for the past 7 years. This is the norm now.
Interceptor
Banned
MAybe i was to harsh. I guess i am getting to old for this. I joined gaf for the nimbus of an educated discussion about videogames. And what did i get (not always of course - but way to often in the last months) - the digital equivalent of 13 year olds at the playground shouting "lol-Nintendo" for whatever reason. I am over 30 now. I am used to the average nintendo is doomed - thread since the 90s. But this stuff is getting out of hand.
Pikmin hasn't had a release in 10 years, and I'm pretty sure sales have trended towards being more frontloaded in that time. Pikmin 3 could still have good legs, I just don't think sales from two generations back are the best predictor.
metalslimer
Member
When a console is doing worse than vita 2012 in japan there is no optimistic perspective. If all you can do is whine that people are not cheerleading your favorite company dont come in a sales thread
Why are you expecting that in a sales thread. Go to the wiiu 2013 games thread then. In these threads sales are discussed and guess what wiiu is selling like dogshit. Nintendo is not a person. You are too emotionally invested if negative talk actually upsets you
Why are you expecting that in a sales thread. Go to the wiiu 2013 games thread then. In these threads sales are discussed and guess what wiiu is selling like dogshit. Nintendo is not a person. You are too emotionally invested if negative talk actually upsets you
Yoshi
Headmaster of Console Warrior Jugendstrafanstalt
Maybe they also used so many ressources for rescuing the 3DS (it's their most important business), that they lack the ones needed for Wii U? They could drop the price, but this wouldn't make the Wii U explode with only two games (Mario, Pikmin) available...
pieatorium
Member
It's not a nintendo only thing, have you never seen a vita or xbone thread? when shits fucked people are going to talk about how fucked shit is,
A jab here and there is no problem if it's clever and fun
Agenda-driven thread-shitting is a problem and I'm glad that the rules punish such behaviour
And people who need to shit on something just because for the sake of shitting, whether on Sony, MS or Nintendo, have some serious issues
Yoshi
Headmaster of Console Warrior Jugendstrafanstalt
Xbox 360 doesn't really qualify as region free though. So what you're saying is: PS3 is region free and PS4 and Xbone will be.
JordanLMiller
Member
Lol. This thread is going amazingly well.
Sylverstone14
Member
Even a game like that probably wouldn't help 3rd party sales much or at all. I don't think the reason Wii U owners aren't buying 3rd party games is because those kinds of games are alien or not appealing to them, I think the main problem is that, currently, the Wii U is only selling to a few enthusiasts. These people likely already own a 360, a PS3 or PC and buy the 3rd party offerings rather on the platforms they've already build an "online life" on. Not to mention that most Wii U games are of inferior quality compared to even their PS360 counter parts.
The percentage of Wii U owners who only own a Wii U is likely very slim and there's pretty much no reason for them to pick up a 3rd party game on the Wii U. The only somewhat redeeming factor is Off-TV Play.
I think the myth of Nintendo fans who own nothing but Nintendo platforms and only play Nintendo games is largely a myth (and probably consists largely of kids). But even then, it doesn't make sense to cater to that small audience, since no matter what, they won't suddenly be interested in types of games they don't care for.
shinra-bansho
Member
Pikmin's numbers, while a little underwhelming, aren't bad. It's failure to stimulate hardware sales is another matter. And the resultant hardware sales being poor for this tracking period remains unchanged. People are discussing this.
Reasonable expectations were of a boost of a similar level to the P4G Vita boost, something in the realm of 30-40K.
Strawmanning about people expecting 100K+ hardware numbers and thread whining about people talking about failure to meet already modest expectations detailed above and in the prior thread in a sales thread, is not valid.
MasterSheen
Member
Pikmin 3 did ok all things considered. Wii U on the other hand got a mediocre rise in hardware sales. Nintendo should be lucky they have 3DS to fall on.
Pie and Beans
Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
You do know that the history of NeoGAF's "Believe" moniker was specifically because the legendary Drinky Crow trolled GAF's entire Nintendo squadron with just that one word to play on their hopes and dreams in the cruellest way possible right?
Here you go.
cleveridea
Member
so dead island riptide outsold the wii u in units
I think the best solution to this is to just take a break from posting in these kinds of threads, sometimes reading or posting in too many at once can wear down on some people. Threads about the Wii U's struggles are pretty easy to spot. Just stick to threads about games you like, interesting things about games, etc. Sometimes, the state of the video game industry for all players involved can really put a damper on just having some fun. It's easy to avoid the school yard if you know which threads to look for!
metalslimer
Member
Ok enough of the wiiu talk for a sec. What's everyones thoughts on Youkai Watch's sales? My first though is somewhat decent without the anime, but need to wait and see
PS4 might not even launch this year so TGS likely and Famitsu
PS4 might not even launch this year so TGS likely and Famitsu
Why don't we get Famitsu numbers instead of Media Create in the first post, by the way? I like them better because of the sell-through data and Top 30 instead of just Top 20
Not too shabby, sellthrough is 40-60% on Famitsu so Level-5 might have expected a bit more but it could've been worse
High five bro.
Apophis2036
Banned
Or they could just get rid of the Basic and officially price cut the Premium console to $249, if this doesn't happen by the release of Wind Waker HD (in October ?), also in time for Mario and DK then Nintendo have officially lost all grasp on reality.
Going to war with a $400 PS4 (whether they want to admit they are in a war or not) is suicide for the company. I think Nintendo expected PS4 to be $500 and now they are screwed with there only being a $50 price difference instead of a $150 difference..
At $249 with a marketing blitz and the software for the rest of the year they have a real chance of turning the system around imo but I'm not sure Iwata will admit he is wrong again and price cut after the 3DS fiasco.
Graphics Horse
Member
Why would I want to look there?
pieatorium
Member
Depends when it's likely to release, I think if it's 2014 weprobably won't hear anything before tgs,
Just read the titles, you'd get the idea pretty quick
I still haven't seen any real evidence of a 2014 release. Am I missing something?
shinra-bansho
Member
I thought there was meant to be a pre-TGS Japanese event. If not, then TGS would be a good bet. I wonder if there are third party titles (possibly multiplatform) that are yet to be announced for next gen that we'll see at TGS as well.
Although, since it may not even release in Japan this year and it's a Tier 2 (lol, terrible messaging) country for Microsoft , maybe they'll keep their cards closer to their chest.
metalslimer
Member
The lack of a yen price at E3 is telling when they always show the jpn launch price at E3
How so? Because a significant amount of games (far from the majority though) were region locked? The console itself is region free, otherwise it wouldn't play any games from a different region.
The biggest sign of a 2014 release is their refusal to say it's not a 2014 release.
That said I honestly don't think they're sure yet.
Bruno MB
Member
Famitsu:
[WIU] Pikmin 3 (Nintendo) {2013.07.13} - 102.188 / NEW [170.000 - 255.000*]
[3DS] Youkai Watch (Level 5) {2013.07.11} - 52.901 / NEW [88.000 - 132.000*]
[WIU] New Super Luigi U (Nintendo) {2013.07.13} - 27.312 / NEW [68.000 - 136.600*]
*Estimated copies shipped.
The gap is quite big, especially for games with low sell-through percentage like New Super Luigi U, but that's better than nothing.
I noticed that Nintendo Land + Wii Remote Control Plus Set (Blue / Pink) didn't chart in the Top 30, so none of these two bundles was able to sell 2.700 units.
[WIU] Pikmin 3 (Nintendo) {2013.07.13} - 102.188 / NEW [170.000 - 255.000*]
[3DS] Youkai Watch (Level 5) {2013.07.11} - 52.901 / NEW [88.000 - 132.000*]
[WIU] New Super Luigi U (Nintendo) {2013.07.13} - 27.312 / NEW [68.000 - 136.600*]
*Estimated copies shipped.
The gap is quite big, especially for games with low sell-through percentage like New Super Luigi U, but that's better than nothing.
I noticed that Nintendo Land + Wii Remote Control Plus Set (Blue / Pink) didn't chart in the Top 30, so none of these two bundles was able to sell 2.700 units.