And it'll sell less than the Trails Evo ports on the Vita.
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And it'll sell less than the Trails Evo ports on the Vita.
PS4 is sold out at amazon for a long time now.
I asked if there is shortage and the answer for availablilitty at stores was quite clear I think (if you don't want to imagine things).
I never thought Tsutaya, Yodobashi & Bic aren't stores
Online stores.
I won't start again PS4 second week shortage round 2.
Deservedly so. Funny that some time ago, the series was on its way to surpass Final Fantasy. I guess that won't ever be the case now.
I never thought Tsutaya, Yodobashi & Bic aren't stores
For those retail channels listed above online store unavailability pretty much equals store unavailability (reverse isn't always true though).
It's funny to hear you say that 250K is a bad number for TOB on its first week when DS version of TOH did about the same total but "at that point of time, that is actually not a really bad number".
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=214680810&postcount=339
Umm..... it shows how the growth which Xilia gave had decline back to the Hearts era..... i mean is that any good number here?
It need more budget and new mindset for the title.
TOH and TOI also saw a huge decline when compared to the previous mothership titles on PS2. If it's bad now, it should be bad back then too, no? BTW I was just teasing. Please don't take my post seriously.
Jarod McChicken
Member
I agree, I find those sales solid, as the drop from Zestiria was definitly expected, not just because of the shitstorm but because Tales of does regular release without especially reinvent itself, that's the least we can say.
Xillia's huge sales were never the baseline for the franchise and considering the depressive state of the japanese home console market, that's a natural decline similar to the Yakuza franchise for example.
I'm not sure the good word of mouth will do anything for the legs but in any case the fact the game is appreciated by the fans of the series is very important after Zestiria.
Now waiting for that PS4/Steam release in the West ^_^
Adding this to the previous titles, I think we're actually up to nearly as many 3DS titles as the last Road To TGS already (not that this was a huge number).
There was no mothership title and only a single spin-off released on console in 2013-2014.
It sure helped.
Xillia didn't have any growth, it just went back to where the series was supposed to be in the first place if it didn't go on every platform (wii, 360, DS) but the right one (for the series that is, not trying to be a Sony defense force member here).
TOH and TOI also saw a huge decline when compared to the previous mothership titles on PS2. If it's bad now, it should be bad back then too, no? BTW I was just teasing. Please don't take my post seriously.
Lol. No problemo. I just consider making a game on handheld would had different expectation vs releasing a game on console.
I do feel the reason why Berseria underperform here is thanks to how bad Zestria is.T_T It poison and scare the fans to buy the game day one.
Bamco would better try to find a way to reinvent Tales series here.But sadly, seeing this is Bamco, i had fear they are going Gundam G Generation'ed Tales here.T_T
Talking of TGS, if Capcom's sticking to their "one Ace Attorney game per year" strategy, Dai Gyakuten Saiban 2 should be announced in Famitsu next week.
That's only if they haven't revised that strategy following AA6's underperformance.
About AA, the anime series should end on September 17th. Second Blu-Ray box has 11 episodes, so that's 24 episodes in total (first one had 13).
If a second season is announced (which will be the case if DGS2 is out next year), then it should be announced at TGS.
That's only if they haven't revised that strategy following AA6's underperformance.
About AA, the anime series should end on September 17th. Second Blu-Ray box has 11 episodes, so that's 24 episodes in total (first one had 13).
If a second season is announced (which will be the case if DGS2 is out next year), then it should be announced at TGS.
Yeah what Bamco should do was to put effort to the franchise and earn back the trust. I guess they've succeeded on that.
Dash Kappei
Not actually that important
Next week the original 3DS model will finally hit 10M... so basically 3DSLL/N3DS/N3DSLL account for roughly 55% of the total sales of the 3DS line. Not too shabby for the OG 3DS but seems kinda low for the New! line if we also exclude the 3DS LL sales?
What's the ratio between OG NDS and Lite/DSi/DSiLL?
What's the ratio between OG NDS and Lite/DSi/DSiLL?
Persona 5 should fair much better.
DriftingSpirit
Member
Persona will be fine.
Tales of Berseria sold more on it's first week than Vesperia, Innocence, Hearts, and Graces. Any version of those games sold less on its opening week than Berseria.
But somehow, Berseria killed the franchise because it did not sell as well as Zestiria in the first 7 days... and of course is Zestiria's fault.
Everything makes so much sense in here.
But somehow, Berseria killed the franchise because it did not sell as well as Zestiria in the first 7 days... and of course is Zestiria's fault.
Everything makes so much sense in here.
Yep
3DS titles get announce, usually, also later on (probably because of shorter dev cycles? dunno)
I think that the main gap compared to previous years, in fact, will happen post-TGS (due to the incoming NX release)
Technically it did 340~k
KillerMan91
Member
With digital it could be closer to 300k. Not that it matters that much though.
What do those four games have in common that Berseria doesn't?
That was a "problem" ... about 10 years ago.
Kondo and his PS4 dreams are in for a rude awakening.
GoldCrusader
Member
Hopefully Berseria has some legs, if Tales dies I would lose one of the rare series that still get me excited when it releases and that I truly enjoy playing. It's also a shame people did not like Zestiria, since it was my personnal favourite.
I live in a small village.
No problems getting one here. [Anecdote]But even if I couldn't get one locally, they are available everywhere online. [EDIT: I guess not "everywhere", I saw the list posted, but many online shops still have them. Rakuten, Suruga, etc. I still hold that if you want one you can get one]
But yeah, I'm sure it's sold out some places. And some colors / bundles are indeed sold out, but I don't believe anyone who really wanted a PS4 this week was out of luck. I don't think the supply constrains had nearly as big an effect as the fact that Obon is over and people are going back to work.
Sorry, at work! I expect to sell at least 600k(worst case) and that's higher than any PS4 game to date. Only FF audience will be able to overlap that much but it depends how the two games are received.
I found always amusing that despite being all regulars here on M-C threads (ones more than others) almost nobody has the balls to directly mention Chris when they want to contradict/mock him.What did you do to them Chrissssssssssss??? hahaha
Perspective: Berseria was released on 2 Sony platforms. And if you add Vesperia X360+PS3 and Graces Wii+PS3 launches then they don't apply to your rule ;D
DXB-KNIGHT
Member
Tales of the old glory days
Don't u think that 600k is a bit too high? Unless u are counting re-release here.
Hehe.^^
Plot twist: Since we are on a japanese market thread, all we here think we are japanese, so being so direct can be considered rude... It has nothing to do with Chris, lol.
Ummm.
He's right though (unless he meant Berseria FW sold more than all of these games LTD) :
Code:
NDS Tales of Innocence 106,733 246,420 Bandai Namco 2007-12-06
360 Tales of Vesperia 101,272 204,305 Bandai Namco 2008-08-07
NDS Tales of Hearts 141,610 261,751 Bandai Namco 2008-12-18
WII Tales of Graces 143,309 225,620 Bandai Namco 2009-12-10
PS3 Tales of Vesperia 227,506 466,171 Bandai Namco 2009-09-17
PS3 Tales of Graces F 219,921 359,511 Bandai Namco 2010-12-02I will fight each and everyone here ITT IRL let's effin goooo bruh
Reading the Japanese comments on Berseria's sale. The biggest reason (like 90% of them) is that they were waiting to see reactions from other players before buying. They took a lesson from Zestiria. And some of them are waiting for used copies. In the end, it's mostly Zestiria's fault. Or should I said, Hideo Baba's fault
WOW Vesperia PS3 had some massive legs! I'm sure it sold a ton of those copies through budget releases but still! Best game!
Anyway, the Berseria sales are probably a bit underwhelming though I wonder what the sell through was and Namco's expectations. I think they considered Xillia 2 sales disappointing though Xillia sales probably affected to their dumb brains too much.
And how does Berseria compare to other series forays on PS4? This is the first title on the PS4 in Japan.
Napalm_Frank
Member
I feel like Persona 5 is almost too lucky. First FFXV gets delayed and now the cheaper PS4 slim supposedly is releasing mere days before the game.
I think it will be bigger than many anticipated, especially if it has a good word of mouth.
I think it will be bigger than many anticipated, especially if it has a good word of mouth.
Hahaha that's a good one! Would also explain the not-so-good Japanese translations that sometimes somebody will try to do and the only thing he gets is to irritate Duckroll lol
Yep but as it's been explained the comparison is flawed: If you have 2 versions (PS4+PS3) then why are you not adding Vesperia, Graces (and even Hearts) versions? And as Takao implied look what all of them have in common (not being released on Sony platforms).
So yes, Berseria had a disappointing launch (Asia, digital and Steam will save it ;D).
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
Tales used to do 1 million + with Xillia. I believe Zestiria is around 700k+. Berseria will probably be around 500k+
Its time for Namco do freshen the series and the I hope a PS4 exclusive Tales will do just that.
Playstation is known to be where the Tales' fanbase is at. The problem are the games themselves tbh.
PlayStation Store Rankings (August 15th – August 21st)
PS4
01/01. Battlefield 4 (85% OFF) (Electronic Arts) – {22/02/2014} (¥432)
02/02. Battlefield: Hardline (EA Best Hits) (77% OFF) (Electronic Arts) – {21/04/2016} (¥432)
03/NEW. Salt and Sanctuary (Ska Studios) – {18/08/2016} (¥1.780)
04/NEW. Tales of Berseria (Bandai Namco) – {18/08/2016} (¥8.856)
05/03. Tom Clancy’s Rainbow Six Siege Gold Edition (Ubisoft) – {10/12/2015} (¥11.988)
06./04 Ratchet and Clank (SIE) – {09/08/2016} (¥5.292)
07/07. Minecraft: PlayStation 4 Edition (SCE) – {25/12/2014} (¥2.592)
08/05. Dragon Age Inquisition: Game of the Year Edition (50% OFF) (Electronic Arts) – {07/10/2015} (¥2.052)
09/09. Need for Speed Deluxe Edition (58% OFF) (Electronic Arts) – {12/11/2015} (¥3.538)
10/08. Hatsune Miku: Project Diva - Future Tone (SEGA) – {23/06/2016} (¥8.424)
11/12. Resident Evil 6 (Capcom) – {29/03/2016} (¥2.800)
12/NEW. Bound (SIE) – {16/08/2016} (¥2.160)
13/10. Resident Evil 5 (Capcom) – {28/06/2016} (¥2.800)
14/06. Toukiden 2 (Koei Tecmo) – {28/07/2016} (¥7.582)
15/16. Unravel (58% OFF) (Electronic Arts) – {09/02/2016} (¥972)
16/14. Tales of Zestiria [Welcome Price!] (Bandai Namco) – {07/07/2016} (¥3.672)
17/17. Overwatch (Square Enix) – {24/05/2016} (¥8.424)
18/20. Final Fantasy VII (Square Enix) – {06/12/2015} (¥1.800)
19/15. Arcade Archives: Contra (Konami) – {10/08/2016} (¥823)
20/19. Dark Souls III (From Software) – {24/03/2016} (¥7.484)
Vita
01/00. Demon Gaze (PlayStation Vita the Best) (86% OFF) (Kadokawa) – {14/11/2013} (¥500)
02/01. Renai Zero Kilometer Love 0 Kilometers V (Entergram) – {28/08/2014} (¥6.480)
03/02. Ys VIII: Lacrimosa of Dana (Nihon Falcom) – {21/07/2016} (¥6.200)
04/04. Coven and Labyrinth of Refrain (Nippon Ichi) – {23/06/2016} (¥5.143)
05/06. Harvest OverRay (TGL) – {25/06/2015} (¥3.980)
06/03. Toukiden 2 (Koei Tecmo) – {28/07/2016} (¥6.610)
07/00. Disgaea 4: A Promise Revisited (PlayStation Vita the Best) (44% OFF) (Nippon Ichi) – {01/05/2014} (¥2.000)
08/12. Minecraft: PlayStation Vita Edition (SCE) – {29/10/2014} (¥2.592)
09/09. Steins;Gate (65% OFF) (5pb.) – {14/03/2013} (¥1.890)
10/08. Romancing SaGa 2 (Square Enix) – {24/03/2016} (¥2.200)
11/07. IA/VT Colorful (PlayStation Vita the Best) (50% OFF) (Marvelous) – {10/03/2016} (¥1.890)
12/13. Touhou Soujinengi V (Mediaescape) – {28/04/2016} (¥2.400)
13/11. Net High (50% OFF) (Marvelous) – {26/11/2015} (¥2.689)
14/15. Sword Art Online: Hollow Fragment (Bandai Namco) – {24/04/2014} (¥1.728)
15/NEW. Collar x Malice (Idea Factory) – {18/08/2016} (¥6.264)
16/10. New Interpretation Stranger of Sword City (Experience) – {21/07/2016} (¥4.104)
17/16. Touhou Genso Wanderer (Mediaescape) – {25/06/2015} (¥3.240)
18/20. Atelier Escha & Logy Plus: Alchemists of the Dusk Sky (40% OFF) (Koei Tecmo) – {22/01/2015} (¥3.332)
19/05. Genkai Tokki: Seven Pirates (Compile Heart) – {04/08/2016} (¥6.480)
20/19. Danganronpa 1-2 Reload (Spike Chunsoft) – {10/10/2013} (¥4.834)
Rainbow Six Siege returned in famitsu this week, the game is showing really good legs more than 70k units sold this year and over 130k retail+digital overall; will probably end up outselling The Division in the end.
PS4
01/01. Battlefield 4 (85% OFF) (Electronic Arts) – {22/02/2014} (¥432)
02/02. Battlefield: Hardline (EA Best Hits) (77% OFF) (Electronic Arts) – {21/04/2016} (¥432)
03/NEW. Salt and Sanctuary (Ska Studios) – {18/08/2016} (¥1.780)
04/NEW. Tales of Berseria (Bandai Namco) – {18/08/2016} (¥8.856)
05/03. Tom Clancy’s Rainbow Six Siege Gold Edition (Ubisoft) – {10/12/2015} (¥11.988)
06./04 Ratchet and Clank (SIE) – {09/08/2016} (¥5.292)
07/07. Minecraft: PlayStation 4 Edition (SCE) – {25/12/2014} (¥2.592)
08/05. Dragon Age Inquisition: Game of the Year Edition (50% OFF) (Electronic Arts) – {07/10/2015} (¥2.052)
09/09. Need for Speed Deluxe Edition (58% OFF) (Electronic Arts) – {12/11/2015} (¥3.538)
10/08. Hatsune Miku: Project Diva - Future Tone (SEGA) – {23/06/2016} (¥8.424)
11/12. Resident Evil 6 (Capcom) – {29/03/2016} (¥2.800)
12/NEW. Bound (SIE) – {16/08/2016} (¥2.160)
13/10. Resident Evil 5 (Capcom) – {28/06/2016} (¥2.800)
14/06. Toukiden 2 (Koei Tecmo) – {28/07/2016} (¥7.582)
15/16. Unravel (58% OFF) (Electronic Arts) – {09/02/2016} (¥972)
16/14. Tales of Zestiria [Welcome Price!] (Bandai Namco) – {07/07/2016} (¥3.672)
17/17. Overwatch (Square Enix) – {24/05/2016} (¥8.424)
18/20. Final Fantasy VII (Square Enix) – {06/12/2015} (¥1.800)
19/15. Arcade Archives: Contra (Konami) – {10/08/2016} (¥823)
20/19. Dark Souls III (From Software) – {24/03/2016} (¥7.484)
Vita
01/00. Demon Gaze (PlayStation Vita the Best) (86% OFF) (Kadokawa) – {14/11/2013} (¥500)
02/01. Renai Zero Kilometer Love 0 Kilometers V (Entergram) – {28/08/2014} (¥6.480)
03/02. Ys VIII: Lacrimosa of Dana (Nihon Falcom) – {21/07/2016} (¥6.200)
04/04. Coven and Labyrinth of Refrain (Nippon Ichi) – {23/06/2016} (¥5.143)
05/06. Harvest OverRay (TGL) – {25/06/2015} (¥3.980)
06/03. Toukiden 2 (Koei Tecmo) – {28/07/2016} (¥6.610)
07/00. Disgaea 4: A Promise Revisited (PlayStation Vita the Best) (44% OFF) (Nippon Ichi) – {01/05/2014} (¥2.000)
08/12. Minecraft: PlayStation Vita Edition (SCE) – {29/10/2014} (¥2.592)
09/09. Steins;Gate (65% OFF) (5pb.) – {14/03/2013} (¥1.890)
10/08. Romancing SaGa 2 (Square Enix) – {24/03/2016} (¥2.200)
11/07. IA/VT Colorful (PlayStation Vita the Best) (50% OFF) (Marvelous) – {10/03/2016} (¥1.890)
12/13. Touhou Soujinengi V (Mediaescape) – {28/04/2016} (¥2.400)
13/11. Net High (50% OFF) (Marvelous) – {26/11/2015} (¥2.689)
14/15. Sword Art Online: Hollow Fragment (Bandai Namco) – {24/04/2014} (¥1.728)
15/NEW. Collar x Malice (Idea Factory) – {18/08/2016} (¥6.264)
16/10. New Interpretation Stranger of Sword City (Experience) – {21/07/2016} (¥4.104)
17/16. Touhou Genso Wanderer (Mediaescape) – {25/06/2015} (¥3.240)
18/20. Atelier Escha & Logy Plus: Alchemists of the Dusk Sky (40% OFF) (Koei Tecmo) – {22/01/2015} (¥3.332)
19/05. Genkai Tokki: Seven Pirates (Compile Heart) – {04/08/2016} (¥6.480)
20/19. Danganronpa 1-2 Reload (Spike Chunsoft) – {10/10/2013} (¥4.834)
Rainbow Six Siege returned in famitsu this week, the game is showing really good legs more than 70k units sold this year and over 130k retail+digital overall; will probably end up outselling The Division in the end.
Vesperia and Graces ports aren't exactly the same game and probably had many double dippers, so there is no reason to combine them.
I'm not saying Berseria sales aren't disappointing, but the series has known worse (despite not being on Sony platforms) and it didn't kill the series. With Berseria being well received, maybe if the next ps4 Tales looks appealing, the sales can bounce back once again, who knows.
StereoVsn
Gold Member
I am hoping for cell shaded graphics to make come back. It's not like Namco doesn't know how to do that anymore, just see Naruto series of games.
That said I can see Steam release helping. Isn't it about 150K before the recent crazy sale? That's not bad considering the much higher margins vs retail. At least it helped Zesteria.
I think the new game is unlikely to do as well since Zesteria bundled Symphonia port and people were burned with that one plus the game itself was not generally well received.