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Media Create Sales: Week 35, 2011 (Aug 29 - Sep 04)
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DownLikeBCPowder
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I don't know about "more than handhelds" (er), but I can definitely see the light at the end of the tunnel now where before I thought there were only spikes, death, and endless replaying of Orphan..schuelma said:
gundamkyoukai
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Acosta said:
That not going to happen , PS3 might get more JRPG but 3DS and Vita will get more.
Acosta said:
hmm...I dunno. Maybe.
I don't really see it happening though. Correct me if I'm wrong but JRPGs haven't performed all too well this gen on consoles and particularly poorly outside of Japan. At present, devs would rather go multiplat than develop exclusively for the PS3, but JRPGs have somewhat fallen out of favor outside of japan and the 360 is dead there. Who would be the target audience?
electroplankton
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FINALFANTASYDOG said:
...by costing way less.
Valkyria Chronicles sold a little more on PS3 than on PSP (considering both episodes) but it's unlikely SEGA earnt more from the first, since development costs were surely higher.
A game like The Last Ranker would have not been produced on PS3 because of higher costs, but it was greenlighted on PSP and it saw fine numbers. This is true also for DS series, such as Etrian Odyssey (will you see a game like this sold 150.000 on PS3?), Rune Factory (it has always sold better on DS even with a third chapter).
The environment on PS3 during the first years on the market didn't allow publisher to be rapid to develop games, something that was possible on handheld; once some of them got know-how and the like, they were able to pull even annual releases (let's think about Atelier series) and they sure took advantage of this, but I do think this is true for certain series, for established IPs when DS and PSP allowed more quantity and the possibility to diversify projects (while Square Enix on home consoles has been terrific, on handheld consoles it was quite fine; Namco could bring Digimon games on DS and sold well, and Kadokawa did the same with Metal Max 3 for example).
Dragon Quest series sold more on DS than on PS2 and GBA (just DQV sold better than DS remakes), so why should have it had more possibilities on PS3? Then you compare a mainline Final Fantasy with prequel (Crisis Core) and spin-off with a different genre (Dissidia) but think that Final Fantasy III sold 1 million copies on DS, and think how less costed than XIII...
Catherine is not a jRPG (AKB48 on PSP sold two times Catherine.. Oh, well!); Little Battles Xperience is selling on par with the first WKC (the secondo ne sold way less on PS3) while Inazuma Eleven is a million seller with the latest two entries.
JoshuaJSlone
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electroplankton
Banned
Chris1964 said:
Luigi's Mansion 2 will be perfect at the end of January, while I'd keep Animal Crossing for mid-March, so it could exploit the Golden Week.
Edit: basing on the graph, 3DS should start to sell higher than DS in November, when Mario Land is due to launch.
Erethian said:
I'm talking about JRPGs. The transition of Japan to handhelds is solid, but there is a demand for home console JRPGs that the main actors in that sector will try to supply now there is an actual market they can address to.
Furthermore, the last years of a console are always richer in JRPGs, so while 3DS and Vita build their public, companies will look at the established market.
Pancakes R Us
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I'm more concerned about this AC. It better be good and not just a straight up rehash of the other games. I played the Wii one for an hour and got bored. Ugh.Mpl90 said:
electroplankton
Banned
Acosta said:
Sometimes people forget that there was a period where PS3 were selling sub-10k units on a weekly basis, and it couldn't reach average levels neither under Christmas (2007-first half of 2008), and where ports from 360 such Eternal Sonata and Enchanted Arms sold less or just a bit more on PS3, while DS and PSP saw results as Final Fantasy III, Crisis Core and Radiant Mythology.
Yep, there was a period. You are talking about 3-4 years ago. If there's one thing that we learned this generation is that past performance is no guarantee of future results . Look at the Wii, PS3 and PSP's performance. They all did a 180.electroplankton said:
Eternal Sonata and Enchanted Arms? Really? What about Vesperia and Graces F. Good games that people actually care about.
And even during that period Gust's Atelier Rorona sold 130k on PS3 while the (much cheaper) Atelier Lise on DS only managed 40k.electroplankton said:
I think JRPG companies messed up, and they did so mostly because for some reason they thought that to release a JRPG on PS3 they would need an enormous budget. (FWIW, also look at tales of Xilia. It mostly looks like a high-res PS2 game, yet the buying public in Japan apparently doesn't care)
You're conveniently ignoring the fact that VC1 sold rather well in the West, while VC2 was so much of a non-event that they aren't even bringing 3 over. It was a stupid decision.electroplankton said:
electroplankton
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gogogow said:
True, but also true that software houses cannot shift strategies as their managers drink water; if a console doesnt' sell well for 2-3 years, and games don't sell particularly well, how is it possible to expect a sudden rise with incredible results? Those results anyway are still limited to series that are clearly appreciated by Sony fanbase, such as Tales and Atelier. Let's how Ni no Kuni will perform on PS3, meanwhile Final Fantasy XIII decreased compared to XII while Dragon Quest XI sold more than half million copies than VIII, and DS and PSP saw many new profitable and now established new IPs.
Atelier Lise is a very low profile entry in the series while Rorona is not, but I do thing that Gust has been happy with Lise as it was with Rorona, given totally different development costs.
Tales, Gust, and then? Have you forgotten Etrian Odyssey, God Eater, Phantasy Star Zero and Portable, Inazuma Eleven, Ni no Kuni, Soma Bringer, etc. etc.?
If they have managed to make a third entry, probably they were happy with the second episode results. Anyway, PSP problems are clear, but for example there's still a good fanbase for jRPG on DS in NA (Knights of the Nightmare debuted with over 24.000 copie, just an example and Inazuma Eleven saw a great success in Europa lately, to say there are possibilities in the West)
test_account
XP-39C²
What is inside that Resistance 3 box? Looks to contain something extra at least.Chris1964 said:
And anyone knows why king zell got banned? (saw it a few days ago and wondered why).
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=30768438&postcount=185test_account said:
test_account
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Ah ok, i see. Thanks for the infoChris1964 said:
I don't think I posted these before:
2010 used software sales (Media Create White Paper)
[NDS] - 13.714.784 <28,14%>
[PSP] - 10.202.295 <20,93%>
[PS3] - 7.522.232 <15,43%>
[PS2] - 6.941.071 <14,24%>
[WII] - 6.132.461 <12,58%>
[360] - 2.078.370 <4,26%>
[PS1] - 1.654.048 <3,39%>
[GBA] - 490.581 <1,01%>
[ALL] - 48.735.841 <100,00%>
PS2 sold 4 times more used software than new.
2010 used software sales (Media Create White Paper)
[NDS] - 13.714.784 <28,14%>
[PSP] - 10.202.295 <20,93%>
[PS3] - 7.522.232 <15,43%>
[PS2] - 6.941.071 <14,24%>
[WII] - 6.132.461 <12,58%>
[360] - 2.078.370 <4,26%>
[PS1] - 1.654.048 <3,39%>
[GBA] - 490.581 <1,01%>
[ALL] - 48.735.841 <100,00%>
PS2 sold 4 times more used software than new.
I don't have access to the database right now but i think I posted them before.
That's what I could find googling
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=27495182&postcount=223
That's what I could find googling
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=27495182&postcount=223
Nuclear Muffin
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I reckon 3DS is pretty much set for life in Japan right now. The only major franchise that they don't have right now is mainline Final Fantasy (and that's nothing compared to Monster Hunter 4)
The only thing that could save Vita right now is if all (or at least the majority) of the 3DS' major 3rd party titles went multiplatform (and I have already stated before why I think this is unlikely to happen - especially for Monster Hunter - so I'm not willing to do it again)
And even then, that still doesn't account for the factor of Nintendo's own hugely strong 1st party games. It would take a miracle and a tremendous cockup of epic proportions on Nintendo's part to stop the 3DS in Japan now (though the west is still up for grabs for the Vita - especially if COD Vita takes off like its console counterparts)
The only thing that could save Vita right now is if all (or at least the majority) of the 3DS' major 3rd party titles went multiplatform (and I have already stated before why I think this is unlikely to happen - especially for Monster Hunter - so I'm not willing to do it again)
And even then, that still doesn't account for the factor of Nintendo's own hugely strong 1st party games. It would take a miracle and a tremendous cockup of epic proportions on Nintendo's part to stop the 3DS in Japan now (though the west is still up for grabs for the Vita - especially if COD Vita takes off like its console counterparts)
Nuclear Muffin said:
We'll obviously have a better picture of the sales prospects for Vita after TGS.
If there aren't some big announcements from Capcom (like something coming of MT Framework Mobile being on Vita) or SE, it'll be interesting to see how the system does. There's a good amount of support from smaller publishers for niche titles, but you need big pillar titles to broaden the base and really push systems. And unlike Nintendo, Sony can't rely on 1st party software to do that.
Erethian said:
This was already confirmed whey they revealed Vita with Lost Planet runnin on it. I expect some minor announcments - but nothing to big. Though i wouldnt be suprised to see something big from SE or Koji Productions.
Cygnus X-1
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Chris1964 said:
Also Kid Icarus Uprising.
Nuclear Muffin
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Erethian said:
Lost Planet Vita uses it and I'm sure that Street Fighter VS Tekken will be using it too (SSF4 3D uses MT Framework)
I'm betting on a Dragon's Dogma Vita port myself, so we'll probably get that at TGS as well.
electroplankton
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Vita NEEDS to be released with some serious software, otherwise it will be invisible to Japanese while competing with that strong 3DS line-up and with PSP still selling well. It needs Monster Hunter but this is unlikely, it will have typical launch games
JoshuaJSlone
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The last quarter (and particularly December) is so full of big stuff, it really is very much like how DS ended 2005 with Brain Age 2, Mario Kart DS, and Animal Crossing Wild World.Mpl90 said:
Cygnus X-1
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Chris1964 said:
During the conference I saw a 2012/1. No day given. I concluded it was January 2012.
lunchwithyuzo
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3DS also lacks a mainline Dragon Quest. The way things are going though, I definitely see it getting DQXI down the road. Hopefully I'll also finally get my DQVII remake on it, since Wii's clearly not going to.Nuclear Muffin said:
FF mainline I can't see going to 3DS, but remakes of FFV/FFVI on that gorgeous Bravely Deficit engine will hopefully happen.
Nuclear Muffin
Banned
lunchwithyuzo said:
Well they did mention 3DS compatibility with DQ X (a streetpass app that lets you carry and trade your characters/maps/stuff around), so it does kinda sorta have a mainline Dragon Quest of its own.
It's going to be pretty interesting to see how MH3G performs for the 3DS this December. The last time we had a big major franchise release on a system with low installed base was FFXIII:
PS3 installed base the week before FFXIII launched: 4,039,395
PS3 sales the week FFXIII launched: 237,086
FFXIII first week sales: 1,501,964
Based on what we have nowm the 3DS current installed base is at 1,727,529. With major titles like Super Mario 3D Land coming out in Nov, and Mario Kart 7 coming out before that in Dec, the 3DS installed base should be well over 2 million by the time MH3G is released. Maybe even close to 3 million.
How much hardware can MH3G move on that week? Will they be announcing a MH3G 3DS closer to the release date? Can it sell over a million in the first week?
PS3 installed base the week before FFXIII launched: 4,039,395
PS3 sales the week FFXIII launched: 237,086
FFXIII first week sales: 1,501,964
Based on what we have nowm the 3DS current installed base is at 1,727,529. With major titles like Super Mario 3D Land coming out in Nov, and Mario Kart 7 coming out before that in Dec, the 3DS installed base should be well over 2 million by the time MH3G is released. Maybe even close to 3 million.
How much hardware can MH3G move on that week? Will they be announcing a MH3G 3DS closer to the release date? Can it sell over a million in the first week?