I remember when I said that NSMB2 wouldn't push 3DS hardware sales that high due to presence of other Mario games on 3DS. I remember getting mocked for that. Seems I was kind of right (due to the launch of the XL and other software it's a bit dicey so it's no victory here, haha), though not for the same reasons.
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Media Create Sales: Week 36, 2012 (Sep 03 - Sep 09)
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I remember when I said that NSMB2 wouldn't push 3DS hardware sales that high due to presence of other Mario games on 3DS. I remember getting mocked for that. Seems I was kind of right (due to the launch of the XL and other software it's a bit dicey so it's no victory here, haha), though not for the same reasons.
Question, if Sony stopped supporting the Vita by just not developing any more games for it, would you really notice a difference?
Graphics Horse
Member
I'm not sure that's the reason though. Could be more about the novelty of a return to 2d Marios is wearing a bit thin.
No. It seems they filmed some stuff for it, so I dunno what's up with that.
They said they were going to do one, then never did it.
frankie_baby
Member
They probably did but would anyone have noticed anyway?
You act as if its that easy to surpass or even maintain the level of success the DS had. Even if they have new innovative title, it doesn't mean that they will or can be as successful as on DS. After all the 3DS is a beefed up DS system and not something completely.
Games like 3D Land and Fire Emblem already showed projects and titles which have higher ambitions than there DS counterparts. Im sure this will continue in the future, especially once they have released the WiiU....
Hence the second part of that post where I state that while the result may be some what near my prediction, the reasons behind it were not.
Opus Angelorum
Member
Even if anything is announced for PSVita at TGS, it probably won't be released this financial year. Is that too late?
Graphics Horse
Member
Fair enough, I did think that the LL would be doing better than it was, shame it's going back to business as usual but I guess they need to worry more about sales elsewhere in the world.
Its under performing compared to NSMB DS and NSMB Wii + expectations where much higher than for Mario 3D Land.
We won't start comparing 2d to 3d Mario just to make numbers looks better.
BassForever
Member
Week 1
01./00. [3DS] Super Mario 3D Land <ACT> (Nintendo) {2011.11.03} (¥4.800) - 343.492 / NEW
Week 7
03./05. [3DS] Super Mario 3D Land (Nintendo) {2011-11-03} - 174,566 / 1,011,709 (+55%)
The difference though is expectations, SM3DL has surpassed all previous 3D Mario titles which never sold as well as 2D ones in Japan, by comparison NSMB2 is selling worse then the previous 2D Mario titles which were massive successes.
slaughterking
Member
Me? No. But I don't really care about Sony's 1st party games to begin with.
Father_Brain
Banned
Nope. I have two theories* as to why it didn't happen:
1. Sony and/or the relevant third parties inexplicably decided to sit on software announcements until TGS.
2. One or more of the titles Sony intended to showcase at VGH2 was moved to other platforms or cancelled entirely.
I'm leaning more towards the latter right now, but we'll know pretty soon which is closer to the truth.
*Aside from the snarky response, which would be that Sony doesn't need a Vita Heaven event when Vita is already in heaven.
If you were a Vita owner, seeing the current release schedule, you surely will.
slaughterking
Member
We'll never know if Nintendo doesn't try.
Graphics Horse
Member
I assume you mean beyond the ones that are due out.
We'll have to see if they announce any at TGS...
Unless I'm forgetting something, they currently have LBP Vita, two ports, Killzone, and Tearaway.
So, they could essentially announce two small games for Fall 2013 sometime during the Summer along with a port and have what appears to be approximately equivalent support.
Soul Sacrifice?
True - but they were bleeding money the last couple quarters so i can understand that they focused on proven sellers to get the 3DS train going before launching WiiU. They also published some nice titles on the eShop.
I expect more innovative titles from 2013, once the system is established and Mii Verse is also on 3DS. But yeah i understand our arguments.
Graphics Horse
Member
I'm still of the idea that letting a "major" gaming system die quickly is a bad message you give to your base customers.
IMO they should invest more (meaning record heavier losses in this case) even if it is a lost battle.
grimshawish
Banned
NSMB2 VS 3D Land will be a very interesting Christmas watch!
Don't buy this 'NSMB2 KILLED 3D Land!' - 3D Land imo has made NSMB a bit 'old hat' on the 3D system. NSMB is better on consoles and should stay there with their 4 player madness.
One good thing will be Nintendo will bring forward new titles for 3DS as NSMB2's legs falter.
Its very frustrating. I'm not sure if its just to do with the WiiU, time to localise or more to do with the currency market, but were going into the second Christmas with pretty much the same games as the first
2012 was looking awesome but everything is just '2013(ish)'.
Maybe they want people only discussing WiiU on game sites and these games will come at quieter WiiU times? Hope so.
Don't buy this 'NSMB2 KILLED 3D Land!' - 3D Land imo has made NSMB a bit 'old hat' on the 3D system. NSMB is better on consoles and should stay there with their 4 player madness.
One good thing will be Nintendo will bring forward new titles for 3DS as NSMB2's legs falter.
Its very frustrating. I'm not sure if its just to do with the WiiU, time to localise or more to do with the currency market, but were going into the second Christmas with pretty much the same games as the first
2012 was looking awesome but everything is just '2013(ish)'.
Maybe they want people only discussing WiiU on game sites and these games will come at quieter WiiU times? Hope so.
I completely agree. For a system I had so much anticipation for, this is really sad to see
It's not like that would be unfounded for Sony either. The PS3 is the worst thing to happen to them, and they kept on trucking.
I know someone will chime in and say that the PS3 is more important to Sony than the Vita is. On a global scale that is certainly correct, but in Japan? PS4 shouldn't be more important than Vita if PSP to PS3 is any scale of what could happen.
pieatorium
Member
I doubt it, some thought it might give a bump for more than a week though
Father_Brain
Banned
If Vita owners are really Sony's base, they should just exit the gaming hardware market now.
Consumers aren't invested in the platform, and neither are third parties. Pulling the plug on Vita might result in a few heads rolling at SCE, but I really have to consider the notion that it'd have far-reaching consequences on the entirety of SCE's business - let alone the industry in general - to be wishful thinking.
Maybe a very select few, but a "whole bunch" seems like a stretch
Graphics Horse
Member
slaughterking
Member
I wouldn't say many of their DS titles were particularly risky. Most were fairly low-budget games designed around a unique idea/theme, that were accompanied by really solid marketing.
metalslimer
Member
I know nsmb2 hasnt had its first holiday yet but how much exactly are people expecting to be boosted by this holiday because even if it has typical nintendo holiday sales it would be a far cry from ever reaching 4 million
Graphics Horse
Member
The prospect of the Wii U game launching this year (?) can't help much.
AranhaHunter
Banned
The 3DS is a very safe bet in this scenario.
Safe assumption that it'll share ports with ps3 and psv (if the project isn't scrapped) for the next few years.
IMO it would be too late if it was being released this month.
I have another theory, I think it was just gonna be another vita heaven like the 1st one with an announcement of a mid tier game like white knight chronicles psvita and they realized no one would give a damn and cancelled it.
I don't think anyone who claimed that was particularly serious about it.
frankie_baby
Member
Not saying it definitely will but I've got a sneaking suspicion this post could come back to haunt you in a few years
metalslimer
Member
Well i wouldn mind being completely wrong but with nsmbu looking so much better ane coming out i dont see nsmb2 having a good holiday. I mean how exactly will they market trying to get people to buy both?
frankie_baby
Member
Its the holiday, during which millions of 3ds will be sold to people that can't or dont buy wii u, so which Mario game will they be buying then?
metalslimer
Member
Millions? Defintely a million. Im only talking japan here