SinCityAssassin
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Certainly got caught with their pants down.
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Certainly got caught with their pants down.
That is true, we knew for a while that Nintendo would have to prove to third parties (especially western third parties) that the install base is there for the Switch. That's why it was going to be unlikely to expect major third parties to greenlight projects for Switch until sales numbers for Switch hardware proved favourable.
Edit: But of course that meant less competition for Switch software which means more opportunities for those that take the risk.
And in this case, it was indies and smaller publishers that reaped the rewards.
Capcom released Monster Hunter 3G on 3DS just a few weeks after Super Mario 3D Land and Mario Kart 7 during 2011 holidays. They did not have any problems in selling a lot, and way above expectations. Level-5 also released the new Inazuma Eleven in December, and the game went to sell almost 500k units. Namco Bandai released a SD Gundam, which sold 150k units. The only big third-party underperforming 3DS game in late 2011 was the third Dragon Quest Heroes: Rocket Slime.
What of this "of course"? Even small western indies can add skus during development. Is not like porting Okami is a daunting task...
The Afternoon collection is as risk free as you can get. And intern would do it in a couple of months for a eShop release. I will restate my opinion that Capcom put all their eggs on the Switch failing.
yup
We knew long before that this will be a weak holiday season for third party software but still is a lost opportunity for everyone that doesn't try even with late ports on Switch. Yo-kai Watch Busters 2 could top half million if Level 5 didn't kill its sales entirely, almost everything else will have problem topping 200k. Yakuza and Call of Duty will be there, maybe Dynasty Warriors if somehow it's ready.
Right. I can see why there are is not any huge, exclusive switch stuff for this December. But I'm surprised there are not more attempts at some ports of high profile franchises to take advantage of the holiday rush.
As it stands right now, western 3rd party holiday lineup is better than Japan, which is saying something.
BrokenJohnCena
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I mean DQXI will be in a much better position than MHXX was.And by seeing BOTW has no problem legging six months straight,I think DQXI can do the same also
TheLegendaryN
Member
Agreed. That's why there's no need for Square Enix to release it on Switch already. They can easily wait until Fall 2018 (or maybe even later).
AcademicSaucer
Member
Bethesda tho
BrokenJohnCena
Member
come to think of it,now that Doom and Wolfenstein is coming to the console,what if that Fallout4 listing is true
AcademicSaucer
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Commander Keen
That would be a twist to Tokimeki I guess. If they do do 9 or 15 on stage that'd be fun to watch the MVs
Skullwaker
Member
I thought it had a worldwide release date of November 17th?
No, the Japanese direct gave the date as "2018."
Weird considering it's already localised.
Perhaps they do not want it to compete with Xenoblade (unlikely).
early 2018 in Japan
Skullwaker
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Well that's...weird. Pretty big missed opportunity. Not like Switch needs it this holiday, but still.
Capcom also has the Revelations ports in November but I can't imagine they'll do much. Would be a good time for Namco to squeeze out Taiko. The Wii and Wii U games were always holiday titles.
I'm expecting it a full year from PS4/3DS release. Downscaled UE4 version, additional story content (maybe even playable characters), high speed mode, orchestrated soundtrack, voice acting, etc. Basically think DQVIII PS2 to DQVIII 3DS. It might also align with the western release on PS4/Switch in terms of features and timing.
Namco is already releasing Taiko Drum Master on PS4 this holidays; I think it is a quite baffling decision, given how little family- and kid-friendly PS4 is, and how well Taiko is well positioned on Nintendo hardware during holidays. I think many other companies bet the wrong horse for this type of games; see Square Enix with the new Itadaki game.
SS
ßig
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Itadaki Street makes sense when you think about it. It has FF and DQ characters and only the PS4 and PS Vita have had numbered FF games on them. Itadaki Street on Nintendo platforms is usually Dragon Quest + Nintendo.
Taiko PS4 is October, not holidays. There's still time for the Switch game to make December unless it's Q1.
Yes, it's also part of Square Enix's larger DQ push on PlayStation. I don't doubt we'll see a DQ & Mario title on Switch eventually too.ßig;249096274 said:
OfficerRaichu15
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So are we expecting the Switch Tales game as well as TaIko to be announced next week?
ßig;249096274 said:
This did not prevent Square Enix to release Theatrhythm Final Fantasy on 3DS. It seems like a silly excuse on Square Enix if that would be the case
Itadaki is a family-friendly franchise, and a board game: not a good combination for PS4 and PSV. True, but I do not see Namco Bandai releasing another Taiko game right after the PS4 one. Family games are also released well before holidays because they typically get a boost in December.
Skullwaker
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Random, but I just remembered that I had a dream that a WarioWare game was coming out on the Switch early next year.
So if that ends up happening, you heard it here first.
So if that ends up happening, you heard it here first.
I am not expecting anything for Switch from TGS
third parties have been too disappointing about the console to have some faith
I don't think it matters too much if the family market isn't on PS4/Vita, Itadaki Street has a wider appeal anyway and it helps SE continue cultivating an audience on PS for Dragon Quest. Sure it'd do better on 3DS but it's not that big a deal.This did not prevent Square Enix to release Theatrhythm Final Fantasy on 3DS. It seems like a silly excuse on Square Enix if that would be the case
Speaking of Theathrythm though I think a conversion of the All-Star Carnival arcade game could make a nice Switch port for SE.
Some of the PS2 and Wii Taiko games released in December actually. Some of the PS2, Wii and Wii U games were late November too.
What's really unusual for Taiko releases is Q1.
The fact that Square Enix wants to cultivate an audience on some platforms does not mean that every type of game is a good fit. See World of Final Fantasy that bombed quite badly on PS4/PSV, even though PS4 received a mainline entry and plenty of other projects. Indeed: Square Enix thought it was a good idea to develop an Itadaki game on Sony platforms, but I think it is not a good move. We will see how it will be received
Right, but they never released two Taiko games in the span of a couple of months with each other IIRC.
TheLegendaryN
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The handheld Taiko games usually release in June/July and the home console games in November/December. Since BNE is also making the special Taiko controller for PS4, I expect more games to be released on the system. It's very likely that the home console games will be on PS4 the coming years and that the Switch games will replace the handheld variants.
Taiko for Switch was on BNE's list for this financial year tho, so I guess that'll be March. Unlike Capcom, BNE isn't so stupid to announce the next game before the previous one is out. With that in mind, I think this calendar year is ruled out.
A nice overview of time between announcement and release of the last seven Taiko games:
Wii U Version (WiiU) - Announced 10 September 2013, released 21 November 2013 (72 days)
Don to Katsu no Jikuu Daibouken (3DS) - Announced 8 April 2014, released 26 June 2014 (79 days)
Tokumori (WiiU) - Announced 9 September 2014, released 20 November 2014 (72 days)
V Version (Vita) - Announced 14 April 2015, released 9 July 2015 (86 days)
Atsumete Tomodachi Daisakusen! (WiiU) - Announced 21 August 2015, released 26 November 2015 (97 days)
Dokodon! Mystery Adventure (3DS) - Announced 8 March 2016, released 16 June 2016 (100 days)
Session de Dodon ga Don! (PS4) - Announced 13 June 2017, released 26 October 2017 (135 days)
All these games have been released on a Thursday. Let's say (this is hypothetically ofc) that Taiko Switch releases the last Thursday of the financial year (which is 29 March 2018), based off the time periods shown above, that would mean that the full announcement of the game will likely be mid-January (~75 days) or mid-December (~100 days). I could see that happening tbh.
Taiko for Switch was on BNE's list for this financial year tho, so I guess that'll be March. Unlike Capcom, BNE isn't so stupid to announce the next game before the previous one is out. With that in mind, I think this calendar year is ruled out.
A nice overview of time between announcement and release of the last seven Taiko games:
Wii U Version (WiiU) - Announced 10 September 2013, released 21 November 2013 (72 days)
Don to Katsu no Jikuu Daibouken (3DS) - Announced 8 April 2014, released 26 June 2014 (79 days)
Tokumori (WiiU) - Announced 9 September 2014, released 20 November 2014 (72 days)
V Version (Vita) - Announced 14 April 2015, released 9 July 2015 (86 days)
Atsumete Tomodachi Daisakusen! (WiiU) - Announced 21 August 2015, released 26 November 2015 (97 days)
Dokodon! Mystery Adventure (3DS) - Announced 8 March 2016, released 16 June 2016 (100 days)
Session de Dodon ga Don! (PS4) - Announced 13 June 2017, released 26 October 2017 (135 days)
All these games have been released on a Thursday. Let's say (this is hypothetically ofc) that Taiko Switch releases the last Thursday of the financial year (which is 29 March 2018), based off the time periods shown above, that would mean that the full announcement of the game will likely be mid-January (~75 days) or mid-December (~100 days). I could see that happening tbh.
Square2015
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Famitsu Dragon Quest weekly Historical
- week 7
Note: 1-2 day launch week not standardized until DQ4.
- week 7
Code:
[U] DQ1 DQ2 DQ3 DQ4 DQ5 DQ6 DQ7 DQ8 DQ9 DQ10 DQ11
[/U]Week 1 ~80,000 ~440,000 ~1,370,000 159,000 684,000 1,455,000 1,862,065 2,236,881 2,343,440 420,311 2,080,806
Week 2 ~80,000 ? ? 81,000 685,000 449,000 1,072,286 559,524 602,856 70,352 426,189
Week 3 ~17,000 ? ? 81,000 477,000 308,000 329,317 200,033 271,206 45,470 188,250
Week 4 ~17,000 ? ~181,000 ? ? 134,500 154,797 116,731 172,728 20,616 154,130
Week 5 ? ? ~181,000 ? 178,000 134,500 83,918 118,119 106,514 13,616 53,251
Week 6 ? ? ~97,000 ? 178,000 80,154 64,351 95,879 121,139 9,560 46,709
Week 7 ? ? ~97,000 ? 106,000 51,881 43,717 56,945 79,452 7,577 34,652
7 wk tot: ? ? ? ? ? 2,614,675 3,610,451 3,384,112 3,697,335 587,502 2,983,987Note: 1-2 day launch week not standardized until DQ4.
silpheed-mcd
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Out of curiosity, what does each point represent? Is it one pre-order per point or what?
frankie_baby
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Yes it is, it might not sound much but its only a tiny chain of a few shops (6 i think)
Daphnes Nohansen Hyrule
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isn't snipperclips plus getting a physical release in japan? i remember that game doing ~100k digital
silpheed-mcd
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frankie_baby
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Oh ok thought it was 6, still a very small chain though
... and you need to know the chain is only in Niigata Prefecture, with no more than 2.5 million people, six times smaller than Tokyo (not counting the Metropolitan Area)
silpheed-mcd
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silpheed-mcd
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Bic Camera lotteries for Switch, sunday, september 17:
SWITCH SPLATOON 2 (6 stores)
TOKYO:
Ikebukuro Main Store: 200 switch ( ~ 950 people)
AKIBA Store: 100 ( ~ 740)
Shinjuku West Store: 100 ( ~ 650)
BICQLO Shinjuku East Store: 100 ( ~ 550)
KANAGAWA:
Fujisawa Store: 100 ( ~ 750)
HIROSHIMA:
Hiroshima Station Store: 100 ( ~ 280)
SWITCH NEON BLUE/NEON RED (5 stores)
TOKYO:
Yurakucho Store: 200 ( ~ 1030)
Tachikawa Store: 100 ( ~ 750)
SAITAMA:
Omiya West SOGO Store: 100 ( ~ 500)
CHIBA:
Kashiwa Store: 100 ( ~ 500)
HOKKAIDO:
Sapporo Store: 100 ( ~ 450)
SWITCH GRAY (4 stores)
KANAGAWA
Lazona Kawasaki Store: 100 ( ~ 1050)
AICHI:
Nagoya Station West Store: 100 ( ~ 450)
Nagoya JR GATE TOWER Store: 100 ( ~ 430)
OSAKA:
Namba Store: 100 ( ~ 680)
15 stores
1.700 Switch:
700 splatoon 2
600 red/blue
400 gray
~ 9.760 people:
~3.920 splatoon 2
~3.230 red/blue
~2.610 gray
Last week:
Media-create: 45.439
Famitsu: 47.801
Dengeki: 37.146
14 stores
2.300 Switch
1.900 splatoon 2
400 red/blue
0 gray
~ 9000 people:
~7.300 splatoon 2
~1.700 red/blue
0 gray
This week: more stores (+1), less Switch (-600), more people ( ~ + 760), ~ 5,74 x more people than Switch ( ~ 3,91 last week)
SWITCH SPLATOON 2 (6 stores)
TOKYO:
Ikebukuro Main Store: 200 switch ( ~ 950 people)
AKIBA Store: 100 ( ~ 740)
Shinjuku West Store: 100 ( ~ 650)
BICQLO Shinjuku East Store: 100 ( ~ 550)
KANAGAWA:
Fujisawa Store: 100 ( ~ 750)
HIROSHIMA:
Hiroshima Station Store: 100 ( ~ 280)
SWITCH NEON BLUE/NEON RED (5 stores)
TOKYO:
Yurakucho Store: 200 ( ~ 1030)
Tachikawa Store: 100 ( ~ 750)
SAITAMA:
Omiya West SOGO Store: 100 ( ~ 500)
CHIBA:
Kashiwa Store: 100 ( ~ 500)
HOKKAIDO:
Sapporo Store: 100 ( ~ 450)
SWITCH GRAY (4 stores)
KANAGAWA
Lazona Kawasaki Store: 100 ( ~ 1050)
AICHI:
Nagoya Station West Store: 100 ( ~ 450)
Nagoya JR GATE TOWER Store: 100 ( ~ 430)
OSAKA:
Namba Store: 100 ( ~ 680)
15 stores
1.700 Switch:
700 splatoon 2
600 red/blue
400 gray
~ 9.760 people:
~3.920 splatoon 2
~3.230 red/blue
~2.610 gray
Last week:
Media-create: 45.439
Famitsu: 47.801
Dengeki: 37.146
14 stores
2.300 Switch
1.900 splatoon 2
400 red/blue
0 gray
~ 9000 people:
~7.300 splatoon 2
~1.700 red/blue
0 gray
This week: more stores (+1), less Switch (-600), more people ( ~ + 760), ~ 5,74 x more people than Switch ( ~ 3,91 last week)
I've never played Shogun 2 Total War, but you are probably thinking of Echigo
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Echigo_Province
Present Day Niigata is a merger of the island of Sado and the Echigo land of Honshu.
Does anyone know how a chain of stores in Niigata became such a popular way to cite sample the interest in a particular game?
Yep
. Was thinking it is just like Echigo except it has that island too, which is indeed separate in Total War 2.In terms of population, who are the beings that buy things of course.
titiklabingapat
Member
All these excuses about third parties getting thier pants down is BS. We all know that a launch of *any* console is the perfect opportunity to start all over again and take advantage of the first mover advantage. We've had, what, over twenty years of data now? A lot of them show that new ips and other games tend to do better in the beginning because there is less competition. It's a BS excuse and a sign of incompetence on the publishers' part.
BrokenJohnCena
Member
This,this applies even on failing consoles
AdventureRacing
Member
So we might be looking at a lower shipment for switch this week? The demand seems to be higher than ever and with Mario around the corner it's hard to see that changing. Unless Nintendo has a shitload of stock for the holidays things will get ugly.
silpheed-mcd
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Cause ComG! give their encrypted game preorders and sales, not the other chains of stores and sites, ranking only.
PS4/Switch