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[saichi]

Is social gaming and networking popular in Japan?

I really think if all the social aspect and social games come to Vita, the Vita will do OK in Japan. It might even do better than the PSP. It might also be a hit and a miss, it all depends on how these features and games are implemented.

I always wonder why Sony tries so hard to sell the social aspect of Vita. If people want to do social games, wouldn't they just use their phone? unless there is a exclusive social games on Vita that gets popular, I'm not sure if social aspect would play a big factor to its success.

 

[jman2050]

I always wonder why Sony tries so hard to sell the social aspect of Vita. If people want to do social games, wouldn't they just use their phone? unless there is a exclusive social games on Vita that gets popular, I'm not sure if social aspect would play a big factor to its success.

Because they want to directly compete with Apple in that particular space.

It will fail in hilarious fashion, but they will definitely try.

 

[Chris1964]

New releases

{2011.09.28}
[360] Monster Hunter Frontier Online: Forward .2 Premium Package # <ACT> (Capcom) (¥6.090)
[360] Monster Hunter Frontier Online: Forward .2 Premium Package [Collector's Edition] <ACT> (Capcom) (¥8.190)


{2011.09.29}
[3DS] Flora and Fauna 3D Field Guide <EDU> (Nintendo) (¥3.800)

[PSP] Eiyuu Densetsu: Ao no Kiseki # <RPG> (Nihon Falcom) (¥6.090)
[PSP] Eiyuu Densetsu: Ao no Kiseki [with Drama CD] <RPG> (Nihon Falcom) (¥7.980)
[PSP] Eiyuu Densetsu: Ao no Kiseki [Complete Reservation Limited Edition] <RPG> (Nihon Falcom) (¥9.240)
[PSP] Evangelion Shin Gekijoban: 3nd Impact # <ACT> (Bandai Namco) (¥6.280)
[PSP] Evangelion Shin Gekijoban: 3nd Impact [Soundtrack Edition] <ACT> (Bandai Namco) (¥8.380)
[PSP] Evangelion Shin Gekijoban: 3nd Impact [Special Edition] <ACT> (Bandai Namco) (¥11.530)
[PSP] code_18 # <ADV> (CyberFront) (¥6.090)
[PSP] code_18 [Limited Edition] <ADV> (CyberFront) (¥8.190)
[PSP] Hakuisei Renai Shoukougun # <ADV> (CyberFront) (¥6.090)
[PSP] Hakuisei Renai Shoukougun [Limited Edition] <ADV> (CyberFront) (¥8.190)
[PSP] Dead End: Orchestral Manoeuvres in the Dead End # <ADV> (Alchemist) (¥7.140)
[PSP] Dead End: Orchestral Manoeuvres in the Dead End [Limited Edition] <ADV> (Alchemist) (¥8.190)
[PSP] Tanteibu: The Detective Club - Angou to Misshitshu to Kaijin to # <ADV> (Asgard) (¥3.654)
[PSP] Tanteibu: The Detective Club - Angou to Misshitshu to Kaijin to [Limited Edition] <ADV> (Asgard) (¥6.090)
[PSP] Wand of Fortune 2: Jikuu ni Shizumu Mokushiroku # <ADV> (Idea Factory) (¥6.090)
[PSP] Wand of Fortune 2: Jikuu ni Shizumu Mokushiroku [Limited Edition] <ADV> (Idea Factory) (¥8.190)
[PSP] Secret Game Portable (Yeti the Best) <ADV> (Yeti) (¥2.940)

[WII] Resident Evil Chronicles (Value Pack) <STG> (Capcom) (¥3.990)

[PS3] Dynasty Warriors 7: Xtreme Legends # <ACT> (Koei Tecmo) (¥5.040)
[PS3] Dynasty Warriors 7: Xtreme Legends [Premium Box] <ACT> (Koei Tecmo) (¥8.190)
[PS3] Dynasty Warriors 7 & Dynasty Warriors 7: Xtreme Legends - Twin Pack <ACT> (Koei Tecmo) (¥10.290)
[PS3] MLB Bobblehead Pros <SPT> (Konami) (¥3.980)

[360] code_18 # <ADV> (CyberFront) (¥7.140)
[360] code_18 [Limited Edition] <ADV> (CyberFront) (¥9.240)

[PS2] Grand Theft Auto III (Rockstar Classics) <ACT> (Take-Two Interactive) (¥1.800)
[PS2] Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas (Rockstar Classics) <ACT> (Take-Two Interactive) (¥1.800)
[PS2] Grand Theft Auto: Vice City (Rockstar Classics) <ACT> (Take-Two Interactive) (¥1.800)
[PS2] Harukanaru Toki no Naka de 4 (Koei Tecmo the Best) <ADV> (Koei Tecmo) (¥2.940)

 

[Phoenician_Viking]

Because they want to directly compete with Apple in that particular space.

It will fail in hilarious fashion, but they will definitely try.

Nice crystal ball you have there.

 

[test_account]

I always wonder why Sony tries so hard to sell the social aspect of Vita. If people want to do social games, wouldn't they just use their phone? unless there is a exclusive social games on Vita that gets popular, I'm not sure if social aspect would play a big factor to its success.

They try to do a all-in-one device, hoping that people will see the appeal of this and then use PS Vita as their main portable gaming device.

It will fail in hilarious fashion, but they will definitely try.

In Japan as well? I will actually not be surprised if the social aspect will be a great success in Japan.

 

[jman2050]

Nice crystal ball you have there.

I am bearish on any company that attempts to battle Apple on their own turf, at least at this point in time.

In Japan as well? I will actually not be surprised if the social aspect will be a great success in Japan.

I'm under the impression that Japan's idea of "social gaming" differs greatly from what we see it as. In a way, that niche is already being filled by stuff like arcades, Monster Hunter, and Pokemon.

 

[Phoenician_Viking]

I am bearish on any company that attempts to battle Apple on their own turf, at least at this point in time.

I was talking about Japan. Anyway we will see if these social games/apps push up the sales.

 

[Chris1964]

I'm under the impression that Japan's idea of "social gaming" differs greatly from what we see it as.

GREE and DeNA

 

[Road]

Dengeki Sales, Set 12 - 18, 2011 (week 38)

01. (__) [WII] Dragon Quest 25th Anniversary: Famicom & Super Famicom Dragon Quest I-II-III (Square Enix) - 253,533 / 253,533 [ST: ~70% => 362,000]
02. (01) [PS3] Tales of Xillia (Bandai Namco) - 60,612 / 571,011 (-88%)
03. (02) [PS3] Resident Evil: Revival Selection (Capcom) - 24,671 / 101,053 (-68%)
04. (10) [WII] Wii Sports Resort (Nintendo) - 15,960 / 2,582,735 (+40%)
05. (07) [WII] Rhythm Heaven (Nintendo) - 15,556 / 466,235 (-7%)
06. (04) [PS3] Monster Hunter Freedom 3 HD Ver. (Capcom) - 13,794 / 408,064 (-34%)
07. (09) [NDS] Kirby Mass Attack (Nintendo) - 11,506 / 227,057 (-4%)
08. (03) [PSP] Grand Knights History (Marvelous Entertainment) - 10,800 / 98,102 (-48%)
09. (11) [3DS] The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time 3D (Nintendo) - 10,406 / 381,327 (+10%)
10. (13) [3DS] Pokemon Rumble Blast (Pokemon Co.) - 8,550 / 171,795 (-7%)
11. (08) [PS3] Hot Shots Golf: Out of Bounds [PlayStation 3 the Best Reprint] (SCE) - 8,476 / 21,907 (-37%)
12. (__) [PSP] Gekka Ryouran Romance (Idea Factory) - 8,184 / 8,184
13. (__) [PS3] Dunamis 15 (5pb.) - 7,086 / 7,086
14. (15) [PSP] Monster Hunter Diary: Poka Poka Airu Village G (Capcom) - 5,872 / 184,864 (-18%)
15. (12) [PS3] Samurai Warriors 3: Empires (Koei Tecmo) - 5,433 / 101,984 (-42%)
16. (22) [WII] Inazuma Eleven Strikers (Level 5) - 5,428 / ?
17. (05) [PS3] Resistance 3 (SCE) - 5,389 / 22,928 (-69%)
18. (06) [WII] Super Sentai Battle: Ranger Cross (Bandai Namco) - 5,317 / 22,334 (-69%)
19. (__) [NDS] Winnie the Pooh: 100 Acre Wood Cooking Book (Disney Interactive Studios) - 5,106 / 5,106
20. (14) [PSP] Dynasty Warriors 7: Special (Koei Tecmo) - 5,050 / 52,028 (-30%)

*ST: Sell-through => estimated copies shipped.


Other software (first week / LTD):

2009-12-17 [PS3] Final Fantasy XIII (Square Enix) - 1,456,000 / 1,907,000
2008-06-12 [PS3] Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots (Konami) - 474,000 / 705,000
2010-11-25 [PS3] Gran Turismo 5 (SCE) - 398,000 / 633,000
2010-03-18 [PS3] Yakuza 4 (SEGA) - 387,000 / 592,000


http://megalodon.jp/2011-0923-2004-31/news.dengeki.com/soft/ranking/ranking.html
http://news.dengeki.com/elem/000/000/409/409869/

Week 37: 09-05~09-11

 

[Mockingbird]

Wtf? I thought I read that the Dragon Quest 25th anniversary collection was going to be limited to 200,000 copies? I went to Costco today and they had them for 3600 yen.

 

[Chris1964]

Wtf? I thought I read that the Dragon Quest 25th anniversary collection was going to be limited to 200,000 copies?

Where did that number come from? Was there an official statement from S-E?

 

[king zell]

Dark Souls (this week biggest release)

http://www.true-gaming.net/home/43424/

Senran Kagura (need to say anything?)

http://www.true-gaming.net/home/43415/

 

[Chris1964]

1*: [ALL] Software Sales 2011 (All Publishers) {2011.01.03}
2*: [ALL] Software Sales 2010 (All Publishers) {2010.01.04}
3*: [ALL] Software Sales 2009 (All Publishers) {2008.12.29}

 

[Kid Ying]

I don't know, i think Minna no Golf 6 can do huge numbers on the PSV. It still is one of the biggest sellers on the PS3 and who knows how much the series can make with the release of new hardware and portable to boot, considering it's not a spin off.

I think it can even be a evergreen title for quite some time. I'm betting on it.

 

[JoshuaJSlone]

As far as non-Nintendo evergreens go, Hot Shots Golf has got to be way up the list. 4 in particular was a monster.

Didn't include Open Tee 2 since I don't have a group set up with it and its rerelease combined.

 

[Mockingbird]

Where did that number come from? Was there an official statement from S-E?

On Neogaf, actually.

 

[Erethian]

I don't know, i think Minna no Golf 6 can do huge numbers on the PSV. It still is one of the biggest sellers on the PS3 and who knows how much the series can make with the release of new hardware and portable to boot, considering it's not a spin off.

I think it can even be a evergreen title for quite some time. I'm betting on it.

It's also possible the evergreeen potential for a game like Minna no Golf could be hurt by the high entry price of the Vita, in the same way the price of the 3DS hurt the sales of Nintendogs + cats.

 

[Dash Kappei]

[PSP] Secret Game Portable (Yeti the Best) <ADV> (Yeti) (¥2.940)

And to think that all this time I thought it was going to be a PS3 game instead

 

[saichi]

I don't know, i think Minna no Golf 6 can do huge numbers on the PSV. It still is one of the biggest sellers on the PS3 and who knows how much the series can make with the release of new hardware and portable to boot, considering it's not a spin off.

I think it can even be a evergreen title for quite some time. I'm betting on it.

depending on what you mean by huge number. I think everyone expects Minna no Golf 6 to be the biggest Vita launch title in Japan (actually I would say it's second biggest title for Vita after FFX remake). It will become the evergreen title for Vita but it won't do huge numbers.

There was a Minna no Golf game launched with PSP and it did a little over 600K. The one launched with PS3 had bigger opening but worse legs. Let's say Minna no Golf 6 duplicate the success of the PSP one and make it to 600K. I wouldn't call that number huge.

As far as non-Nintendo evergreens go, Hot Shots Golf has got to be way up the list. 4 in particular was a monster.

Didn't include Open Tee 2 since I don't have a group set up with it and its rerelease combined.

Based on the chart, Minna no Golf peaked at 4 and is in a serious decline. Will Minna no Golf 6 reverse the trend?

 

[baekshi]

LOL I think NB forgot to ship more ToX.

 

[Bel Marduk]

LOL I think NB forgot to ship more ToX.

No, shipments have reached 650k. Tales games just have huge drops.

 

[Chris1964]

Even if it means absolutly nothing I never believed I would see Senran Kagura #1 at amazon after it went on sale (restock).

 

[Mpl90]

Good signs for Kagura.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=31223305&postcount=218

Seems most places in Japan are sold out and waiting for the 2nd batch of shipment to come in.

Also...

Sony Computer Entertainment World Wide Studio's Yoshida went to buy this game as well.

Edit: Oh, forgot to post the proof. Here:
http://twitter.com/#!/yosp/

And, after being not available since tuesday on Amazon, now is back with a SKU without the CD bonus for preordering,and...

http://www.amazon.co.jp/gp/bestsellers/videogames/ref=zg_bs_nav#1

Think someone there said it best, when it comes to breasts, we're all brothers. lawlz

.

 

[electroplankton]

So it might end up with more than 50k the first week, right?

 

[Kenka]

So it might end up with more than 50k the first week, right?

In my dearest Nintendo fan dreams, this reaches Love & Berry numbers.

 

[cw_sasuke]

This is probably the better thread for japanese sales discussion ;-)

So Kagura will outsell all of MMV Wii efforts ?

 

[Mpl90]

In my dearest Nintendo fan dreams, this reaches Love & Berry numbers.

Oh come on now :lol


[NDS] Oshare Majo Love & Berry: DS Collection (Sega) - 425.380 / 1.055.821 / 40,29% 22/11/06

 

[slaughterking]

That should bode well for Love Plus. :lol

 

[Acosta]

Even if it means absolutly nothing I never believed I would see Senran Kagura #1 at amazon after it went on sale (restock).

Never subestimate the power of boo-- err, ninjas.

 

[Brazil]

So it might end up with more than 50k the first week, right?

I still don't think so...

But what do I know?

 

[electroplankton]

I still don't think so...

But what do I know?

what was the initial shipment?

 

[walking fiend]

Even if it means absolutly nothing I never believed I would see Senran Kagura #1 at amazon after it went on sale (restock).

I told everyone predicting <40K is too low for it, I think even my 80K would have been low if it didn't sell out

 

[Erethian]

I told everyone predicting <40K is too low for it, I think even my 80K would have been low if it didn't sell out

Well it's also possible it got a really small initial shipment. Both the Ikki Tousen games only did 30k lifetime.

 

[walking fiend]

Well it's also possible it got a really small initial shipment. Both the Ikki Tousen games only did 30k lifetime.

it wouldn't rank 1st in Amazon if the initial shipment was that low, it is above FF XIII and Tri G; anyhow, we'll find out soon

 

[BurntPork]

I wonder if Senran Kagura's good performance will affect 3DS this week.

 

[Mpl90]

Well, Azalyn forecasted 60k for the first shipment.
We'll see.

EDIT: And it's sold out again xD

 

[test_account]

Senran Kagura is back in stock again, unless that is from a 3rd party seller.

 

[Chris1964]

1*: [NDS] The Legend of Zelda: Phantom Hourglass (Nintendo) {2007.06.23} - 288.282 / 902.386
2*: [NDS] The Legend of Zelda: Spirit Tracks (Nintendo) {2009.12.23} - 320.940 / 725.904
3*: [3DS] The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time 3D (Nintendo) {2011.06.16} - 182.998 / 381.016

 

[Sammy Samusu]

I'm betting on small shipments, probably around 45k first week.

 

[Mpl90]

I'm betting on small shipments, probably around 45k first week.

Again: Azalyn stimated 60k as first shipment

 

[electroplankton]

Again: Azalyn stimated 60k as first shipment

So it's likely it'll sell as much. Nice in that case!

 

[Chris1964]

I've always wondered why do Japanese gamers have a different stance on digital downloads.

Different subject but you'll find some answers in this post.

The biggest barrier for the PSP Go is how Japanese consumers view transactions, and the buying habits of consumers - in particular people who invest a lot of money into their hobbies (like core gamers). Credit cards are not popular in Japan for most purchases, it's a very cash driven economy. Along with that, gamers in particular like being able to sell games they no longer want, and also buy used games of stuff they don't need immediately. For games, recommended retail price is something which doesn't really exist beyond a concept in Japan itself. Retailers are highly competitive and price slashing is common, even at launch. Amazon Japan also has great discounts for preorders of games.

Japanese gamers are also very much into collecting stuff they like. Pre-order bonuses like soundtrack CDs and artbooks, or telephone cards go over well with fans. They like having physical copies of stuff, with nice cover artworks, bonus freebies, or limited editions. This is something PSN can never offer in the same way.

While Japanese are not against digital downloads at all, it should be understood what sort of "digital downloads" appeal to them. Pretty much every single Japanese person has a cellphone. They use many services and games on their cellphones as well. But everything they buy on their phones is not something they buy with a credit card or a point card, it is simply billed to their account and they settle it monthly. And with how their phone services work, they can access them off their phone without the need of having a wireless router, or a broadband internet connection at home or in the office. The same connect be said of how consoles and portables support digital downloads.


Now with all that in mind, let's look at what the PSP Go offers to the average Japanese gamer:

- No ability to buy games for a discounted price at your favorite retailer
- No ability to sell your games
- No ability to buy used games later at a low low price
- No pre-order bonuses
- No bonus artwork
- No limited editions
- Requires broadband connection to download large games
- Requires PSN Point card or credit card to purchase games
- Unable to borrow games from friends or play the games you might already own from a previous PSP
- More expensive than the PSP-3000
- Several major Japanese games are not available on PSN


That looks really crappy doesn't it? :lol

 

[donny2112]

1*: [NDS] The Legend of Zelda: Phantom Hourglass (Nintendo) {2007.06.23} - 288.282 / 902.386
2*: [NDS] The Legend of Zelda: Spirit Tracks (Nintendo) {2009.12.23} - 320.940 / 725.904
3*: [3DS] The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time 3D (Nintendo) {2011.06.16} - 182.998 / 381.016

Was wondering why Spirit Tracks started being higher toward the end, and then I remembered the price bomba it had.

 

[Mpl90]

Kagura...a Marvelous game.
And cw-sasuke said something about...

This is probably the better thread for japanese sales discussion ;-)

So Kagura will outsell all of MMV Wii efforts ?

Well, let's see the Wii efforts.


[WII] Harvest Moon: Tree of Peace (Marvelous Entertainment) - 18.733 / 69.879 / 26,81% 07/06/07
[WII] Arc Rise Fantasia (Marvelous Entertainment) - 28.044 / 39.885 / 70,31% 04/06/09
[WII] Muramasa: The Demon Blade (Marvelous Entertainment) - 23.900 / 32.100 / 74,45% 09/04/09
[WII] Rune Factory Frontier (Marvelous Entertainment) - 18.240 / 30.221 / 60,36% 27/11/08
[WII] Harvest Moon: Exciting Animal March (Marvelous Entertainment) - 10.137 / 30.009 / 33,78% 30/10/08
[WII] Little King's Story (Marvelous Entertainment) - 6.426 / 25.932 / 24,78% 03/09/09
[WII] No More Heroes 2: Desperate Struggle (Marvelous Entertainment) - 9.436 / 16.838 / 56,04% 21/10/10
[WII] Rune Factory: Oceans (Marvelous Entertainment) - 10.040 / 10.040 / 100,00% 24/02/11
[WII] Katekyoo Hitman Reborn! Dream Hyper Battle Wii (Marvelous Entertainment) - 6.900 / 6.900 / 100,00% 10/01/08
[WII] Katekyoo Hitman Reborn! Forbidden Black Delta (Marvelous Entertainment) - 5.400 / 5.400 / 100,00% 20/11/08
[WII] Valhalla Knights: Eldar Saga (Marvelous Entertainment) - 4.677 / 4.677 / 100,00% 08/10/09
[WII] Fish Eyes Wii (Marvelous Entertainment) - 750 / 750 / 100,00% 30/04/09

...Wow,it's going to happen :lol

 

[Sammy Samusu]

Again: Azalyn stimated 60k as first shipment

Oh, so 75k first week may be possible.

I refuse to predict anything higher than that, feels wrong, lol.

 

[Zoramon089]

Kagura...a Marvelous game.
And cw-sasuke said something about...



Well, let's see the Wii efforts.


[WII] Harvest Moon: Tree of Peace (Marvelous Entertainment) - 18.733 / 69.879 / 26,81% 07/06/07
[WII] Arc Rise Fantasia (Marvelous Entertainment) - 28.044 / 39.885 / 70,31% 04/06/09
[WII] Muramasa: The Demon Blade (Marvelous Entertainment) - 23.900 / 32.100 / 74,45% 09/04/09
[WII] Rune Factory Frontier (Marvelous Entertainment) - 18.240 / 30.221 / 60,36% 27/11/08
[WII] Harvest Moon: Exciting Animal March (Marvelous Entertainment) - 10.137 / 30.009 / 33,78% 30/10/08
[WII] Little King's Story (Marvelous Entertainment) - 6.426 / 25.932 / 24,78% 03/09/09
[WII] No More Heroes 2: Desperate Struggle (Marvelous Entertainment) - 9.436 / 16.838 / 56,04% 21/10/10
[WII] Rune Factory: Oceans (Marvelous Entertainment) - 10.040 / 10.040 / 100,00% 24/02/11
[WII] Katekyoo Hitman Reborn! Dream Hyper Battle Wii (Marvelous Entertainment) - 6.900 / 6.900 / 100,00% 10/01/08
[WII] Katekyoo Hitman Reborn! Forbidden Black Delta (Marvelous Entertainment) - 5.400 / 5.400 / 100,00% 20/11/08
[WII] Valhalla Knights: Eldar Saga (Marvelous Entertainment) - 4.677 / 4.677 / 100,00% 08/10/09
[WII] Fish Eyes Wii (Marvelous Entertainment) - 750 / 750 / 100,00% 30/04/09

...Wow,it's going to happen :lol

Where's the first NMH?

 

[Mpl90]

Where's the first NMH?

I don't know why, but I don't have it anymore O_O
However, it had a FW of 13k and did 27k of LTD.
NMH has been a success here in the West, not in Japan.

 

[cw_sasuke]

Kagura...a Marvelous game.
And cw-sasuke said something about...



Well, let's see the Wii efforts.


[WII] Harvest Moon: Tree of Peace (Marvelous Entertainment) - 18.733 / 69.879 / 26,81% 07/06/07
[WII] Arc Rise Fantasia (Marvelous Entertainment) - 28.044 / 39.885 / 70,31% 04/06/09
[WII] Muramasa: The Demon Blade (Marvelous Entertainment) - 23.900 / 32.100 / 74,45% 09/04/09
[WII] Rune Factory Frontier (Marvelous Entertainment) - 18.240 / 30.221 / 60,36% 27/11/08
[WII] Harvest Moon: Exciting Animal March (Marvelous Entertainment) - 10.137 / 30.009 / 33,78% 30/10/08
[WII] Little King's Story (Marvelous Entertainment) - 6.426 / 25.932 / 24,78% 03/09/09
[WII] No More Heroes 2: Desperate Struggle (Marvelous Entertainment) - 9.436 / 16.838 / 56,04% 21/10/10
[WII] Rune Factory: Oceans (Marvelous Entertainment) - 10.040 / 10.040 / 100,00% 24/02/11
[WII] Katekyoo Hitman Reborn! Dream Hyper Battle Wii (Marvelous Entertainment) - 6.900 / 6.900 / 100,00% 10/01/08
[WII] Katekyoo Hitman Reborn! Forbidden Black Delta (Marvelous Entertainment) - 5.400 / 5.400 / 100,00% 20/11/08
[WII] Valhalla Knights: Eldar Saga (Marvelous Entertainment) - 4.677 / 4.677 / 100,00% 08/10/09
[WII] Fish Eyes Wii (Marvelous Entertainment) - 750 / 750 / 100,00% 30/04/09

...Wow,it's going to happen :lol

Daaaaamn........ :lol

 

[Mpl90]

Daaaaamn........ :lol

Its FW will outsell all the FW of every title released on Wii.
The main question is: will it beat even the best LTD for a Marvelous game on Wii?
So, will it do above 70k? XD

 

[frankie_baby]

Its FW will outsell all the FW of every title released on Wii.
The main question is: will it beat even the best LTD for a Marvelous game on Wii?
So, will it do above 70k? XD

Didn't some of those games sell more with a budget rerelease?