I think precedents for dedicated handhelds flew out of the window a few years back.
-
Hey, guest user. Hope you're enjoying NeoGAF! Have you considered registering for an account? Come join us and add your take to the daily discourse.
Media Create Sales: Week 38, 2014 (Sep 15 - Sep 21)
- Thread starter Chris1964
- Start date
metalslimer
Member
If you read the entirety of my post instead of jumping to respond you would have noticed that I said it could certainly happen.
MrNyarlathotep
Banned
Not that strange really; public announcement at next years
If nothing else it gives an idea of the timeframes involved for Nintendo to bring a new hardware platform to market; for it to be shown at the investors presentation early 2014, it must have had at least a year of prototyping and R&D to have decided upon broad specifications and design direction, with a further 18 months+ required to be able to bring a prototype to market as a commercial product.
Well, I suppose it's obvious he talked about it earlier compared to the plans, otherwise he would've shown it. Still, he said it would've been shown by the end of the year. I think next Investor's Meeting could be a possible place for seeing it for the first time.
Kagoshima_Luke
Gold Member
That PS4 drop.
Yeah, but other companies see the success of Platinum games and it might affect them wanting to work with them. So Platinum is affected too.They were already paid anyway, basically it's a Nintendo loss if it bombed.
Disappointing but kind of expected since way back anyway. It still has enough time to empty that shipment (40-60% FW is fairly decent for a Wii U game anyway).
Aside from the doom and gloom of every other console except the 3DS, yeah 3DS just won't go down even if a new hardware has been announced. Good for it, and Smash!
PS4 has established a floor?
Where?
Who said it looks good?
People just said it exists in answer to the niche guy.
Haven't seen it personally and don't really care.
loooooool
You mean we won't be getting Sin and Punishment 3?
Oh, how the mighty have fallen when so many of us get excited about 38K opening for a major AAA game in Japan.
Bayonetta 2: Dead
PS4: Deader
XB1: Deadest
Ah well I will do my part and get Bayonetta 2 Day One.
It must be hard for Platinum developers, at this rate the big bonus will never come. Getting a budget to make a new game every time does not do much if your big payday depends on making a commercial hit.
never knew Bayo 2 is considered a major AAA game.
QOL is the new vitality sensor
Wow, I'm impressed that it has outsold SSB64 already and will do th blame to melee in the next 3-4 weeks and hopefully it will be close to brawls numbers!
I guess that is down to definition of AAA game. To me Bayonetta 2 is a game from a major developer, funded and marketed directly by one of the hardware manufacturers, and is getting rave reviews, so I just lumped it into AAA.
Obviously, it is not GTAV, CoD, FIFA, Mario or Assassin's Creed. But Platinum just does not strike me as a mid-tier developer nor did Bayonetta feel like AA game. But if someone said he feels Bayonetta is not AAA, I would not start a fight -I don't think there is an official definition of AAA game?
You mean we won't be getting Sin and Punishment 3?
never knew Bayo 2 is considered a major AAA game.
QOL is the new vitality sensor
Nope: Iwata stated we'll get more infos this year, that it'll be released this year and it was the main feature in the most recent "letter to the investors", like 3DS and Wii U have been. I.e.: it will exist.
holy shit! hahaha
I remember hearing that QoL will be unveiled January 2015 at one of their financial briefings.....I'm almost positive I didn't make that up
ArcaneFreeze
Member
Was expecting 20k ish for Bayo 2 so 38k passed my expectations. It even did better than WWHD during its release week.
Hero of Legend
Member
ArcaneFreeze
Member
Seems like we all expected like about 20k.
Yeah reading through this thread now I think that was the general barometer xD I dont think anyone was really expecting this to blow the doors open in sales. The question now will be if it has longer legs than the original Bayonetta.
BishopLamont
Banned
It's pretty weird how they managed to overship when the title had a pretty good launch week.
Nah I'm sure Nintendo knows why the game is bombing, its pretty much the same reason why all their third party endeavors have pretty much failed.
Is it really laughable when its selling better than Wii U on every level? 2015 won't treat 3DS too bad and they know they have to stick with the Wii U for better or for worse til the end. If anything, they're more likely to replace the Wii U before the 3DS, it's a good thing they're focusing on a unified architecture, that will make their software sell better and their hardware sales will come down to what the market prefers, this also creates an opportunity where they can buy some time so that they can launch both consoles relatively close to each other, since the software will be running on both platforms. They also have the QOL experiment to hopefully pad their financials out for the time being.
A phone is a necessity to basically everyone while a dedicated platform isn't, the two markets are very different. You can't release a new successor when the predecessor has hardly even fleshed out its library without expecting any sort of backlash. A quick Wii U death will only hurt its successor even more, especially when we all know Nintendo is nowhere near capable of releasing it anytime soon with their current software strategy.
The original xbox suffered an early death because the ps2 dominated the market, so an early successor made sense since it'd be the first hd console, the first of its next-gen, its a good selling point, as the ps4 and xbone has shown. This was also a time when the market wasn't as saturated as it is today, if your competitor releases a successor, u can't afford to be left behind. The xbox did die an early death, but everyone was gearing up for the next-gen by that time, so it wasn't really early or late to the market.
Now look at the Wii U, it came far too late to make an impact on the 360/PS3 and its far too early to compete with the xbone/PS4 on any next-gen level, which leaves them stuck in the middle where releasing a successor now would prove fruitless with the anemic software situation on both first party and third party fronts. Compared to the original xbox, an early Wii U death will look very bad as the next-gen consoles have only begun their life. Nintendo doesn't have the luxury of default third party support if they release a next-gen console now, they have to work for it, so waiting til their unified architecture is ready would be the best bet for them, since it means their first party devs have time to create more innovative hardware and software like they did with the Wii and by that time they can still be stingy with their hardware specs and still be able to compete with the PS4/xbone.
This gen will likely reminiscence the gc/xbox/ps1 gen although the xbone will enjoy better success due to the harmonious third party relationships they have developed over the generations. Nintendo needs to pull a banger next-gen or they will suffer even more than the GC generation, although I don't see third party relationships regarding their console being any worse off than it already was.
I think 2016 is definitely when they will launch the successors and they will incorporate whatever they're gonna be doing with QOL into its ecosystem somehow. Yes the sooner they get rid of the Wii U, the better, but realistically its just not a very wise move if its too soon. They just need to improve their software situation and digital presence before they launch their new systems, any third party relationships pertaining to their home console is only gonna change if their new systems manage to make a splash, A Wii style hit is not gonna happen, but they need them to sell at least on par with the next-gen consoles and prove that their ecosystem is a good environment for third parties, whether they outright moneyhat, continue to pair up with third party devs or create enough software that will appeal to the core gamers is up to them, but they really need a solid start and a solid foundation to work on, otherwise everything will just fall apart the way they have this gen due to their systems selling so bad and their systems being so weak.
Every gen that has a dominating console has launched with massive hype, they need to create this hype and I think the most important thing is that Nintendo needs to focus on their software/hardware strategy first, to create hit software and hardware, otherwise, like I said, everything will just fall apart. They're already behind so if they don't gamble or do things they don't normally do, they're gonna stay behind for the rest of the generation, and I think the loss of Nintendo, more on the mindshare level rather than the marketshare level, will be sad loss for consumers and the industry, since they've been here since the birth of the industry and the amount of creativity and consistency in terms of software output is second to none, and they've shown time and time again that they will do what it takes to regain what they've lost, or rather gain more than what they've lost.
Well for one, they're not increasing the the life span of the Wii U, rather you're arguing that they should shorten it, big difference. Supporting your fanbase is always a far better idea than dropping them, just look at all the previous consoles which were prematurely killed without a good selling point in their successors.
I'm pretty sure everyone is trying to create a product with a broader market appeal, its just not that simple and it takes time. You're really pushing hard for a quick Wii U death when you know yourself its probably the biggest mistake Nintendo could make without a proper follow-up in order. We already know what Nintendo's plans are for the near future, they have bigger worries to tackle and simply putting out a successor right now won't fix any of that until they have everything they need to push forward with their plans.
If the Wii U was expected to die early, Nintendo would have dropped the price already by now, but they learnt their lesson with the GC, where dropping the price proved futile, they're still gonna be selling to the same fanbase so why not ride out the gen with a $300 console rather than a $100 one.
Tales of Symphonia Chronicles was PS3 only wasn't it? No PSVita version, right?
BishopLamont
Banned
It should perform similar to previous entries, its pretty niche as it is, userbase didn't make a difference with the Wii, I don't see why it'd change now.
joke post?
they already got link and princess zelda? already as skins. =p
I wouldn't call the 360 a big success, it basically split the core fanbase with the PS3 which came late, that was previously on the PS2 for the most part, as the Wii targeted a completely different type of consumer at the start of the gen.
The PS3 failing at the start of the gen was far worse than the success the 360 attained, considering the PS3 eventually recovered and now the PS4 is reaping the benefits. The prelaunch disaster for the xbone definitely took some of this success away in a short time also. The biggest thing the 360 achieved was getting virtually every once-exclusive playstation game, to now be multiplatform at the least instead and launching the 360 early was the biggest contributor to making it the default go-to system for western devs.
Nice bump for the Wii U thanks to Bayonetta. They should have put Mario in it, then it might have had a chance with the Nintendo crowd.
The PS4 showed life only for one week, back to basement again.
The Xbox One, the All-in-One-Entertainment System might go down to three digits next week.
The PS4 showed life only for one week, back to basement again.
The Xbox One, the All-in-One-Entertainment System might go down to three digits next week.
dead
I don´t think there´ll be a big difference this time unless 3DSs sales will be considerably worse than in the last months. An early 2017 launch would be inline with the timeframe between GBC->GBA and NDSi->3DS. If they want to take advantage of the holiday season they could also launch it a few months earlier, so end of 2016 is also a possibility, but that´s still pretty much the same timeframe.
it had no games for months and the worst it did was about 6k. i think that now games are coming out and the holiday season is around the corner, it shouldn't dip any lower than that.
people are moving onto the wii u and ps4, as should have been expected.
BishopLamont
Banned
Early year launch for the 3DS caused Nintendo to drop the systems price prematurely, even though I think they jumped the gun quite a bit, while the Wii U launched in the holidays which was also a mistake due to the software droughts. 3DS' software drought was never nearly as bad as the Wii U and the system wasn't even selling that bad if you look at the market as it is now. Nintendo was comparing it previous gen sales of DS and jumped the gun on the price drop imo, when the reality was that the market has normalized due to most of the casuals moving to mobiles.
I think the 3ds trifecta did most of the work to push the systems, the price drop wasn't needed for Japan, I think it was more for the western side of things, since a drop in Japan isn't nearly as bad as a drop in EU/US in terms of sheer numbers. I don't blame them for thinking like this though, everyone thought the 3DS was doing really bad, but I think for a system to sell 30k weekly without any real evergreens is quite a feat in this day and age, we just never knew how much the market contracted at that point. Even now the 3DS isn't pulling much above that despite everything released for it.
Either way, I think they should release it at the end of the year, a holiday launch will always be better for your sales, as long as they have the software situation sorted and their launch line-up is actually decent enough to push the systems post-holiday. Early 2016 feels too early, 2017 feels too late, so end of 2016 seems just about right. This gives them 2 full years to work with QOL, which I believe will have the same architecture as true successors, so they can cheat a little by getting familiar with this new architecture and then adapt this to the other consoles when they become ready. I'm guessing QOL will have more unique hardware, than it will software, as the hardware needs to be different enough for them to keep supporting it and to justify its existence once the successors come out. Not to say it won't have unique software, thats certainly the case, but unique hardware is certainly more beneficial in this day and age, as it seems software nowadays come out on practically everything. The software can be refined and worked on later, but they really need to get the hardware right out of the gate, no more weak specs that will haunt them for the rest of the gen for an example.
When did it ever have many charting games in the first place?
Well, yeah, it will establish one eventually but hasn't yet considering the drop from last week.
As for the 6k, I guess I never considered the 5k-6k area a "baseline" in the way because it's pretty much the lowest a console that is alive and being supported can sell...unless it's
Xbox. Wii was flirting with 3 and 4k though a bit last year haha. I always felt like a baseline needs to be a result of something other than simply existing.
I dunno. I mean the PSP of all things is still selling there. Those older units could stick around for a while.
Vita retail games do not have legs and there were no releases last week. You'll see a bunch of Vita games in the charts next week though. Lots of Vita games releasing on the 25th.
Simply Sarah
Member
I suppose if you set the bar six feet underground then it's easy to get above it (Yes, I'm aware the above was said tongue in cheek).
MasterSheen
Member
Okay...
Bayonetta 2 exceeded my predictions of it for the month, so there's that.
BishopLamont
Banned
Its too close to the holiday, the PS4 also has games coming out, might not bump the sales, but it'll stop it from dropping too low, it just needs to hold out for another month or so and then holidays will take care of the rest.
xbox360 > bayonetta 1 > bayo 2 > xbone
jamesinclair
Banned
I would love to see launch aligned graphs comparing sales of the Xbone, Wonderswan Color and NeoGeo Pocket Color.
BishopLamont
Banned
I think they both had better launches but its safe to say the xbone will have better "legs".
1st Course
Member
As of June 30, 2014
Japan: 1.870.000
The Americas: 3.080.000
Other: 1.730.000
------------------
Total: 6.680.000
ZSaberLink
Media Create Maven
Japan's is in the OP, so I'm not sure why you're asking about that. It's a bit above 1.9M.
BishopLamont
Banned
300-400k
all on depends on how it launches really, thats the max it'll achieve with the most optimistic outlook.
StreetsAhead
Member
So, will Fatal Frame be more or less than Bayonetta 2's first week?
Optimistically, 250K world wide is what I'm expecting.
Optimistically, 250K world wide is what I'm expecting.
If we follow Comgnet preorders, it'll be better...which would strangely be a pretty good result for a Fatal Frame.
Canis lupus
Member
The other poster said Vita got plenty of games recently and hw still dropped which is simply not the case, there's only 1 game in the top 20, that released a month ago. If Vita got a steady flow of titles naturally sales would pick up, and naturally since there's barely any games being released, hw sales drop.
small44
Member
Most of vita games are niche games they won't rest in chart for long time
BishopLamont
Banned
That's a hard one, but I'll go with FF since it has that DOA chick.So, will Fatal Frame be more or less than Bayonetta 2's first week?
Optimistically, 250K world wide is what I'm expecting.
So why are there games that released years ago on the 3DS, still on the charts?
poor selling software > poor selling hardware > poor selling software
repeat ad infinitum
HellBlazer
Member
Hey, the 360 beat the PSP. You're going down, Sony!
There is a steady flow of titles, but they tend to be very niche games from niche publishers that sell to the same audience, so hardware sales never rise above a certain level. Of course there is always the chance that one game could break out and become a must have, but it's a bit of a long shot.