Simply Sarah
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You can have a massive flow of titles, but if none of them are hits and/or system sellers then you're not going to appear much in the top 20 and hardware sales won't really benefit.
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Media Create Sales: Week 38, 2014 (Sep 15 - Sep 21)
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You can have a massive flow of titles, but if none of them are hits and/or system sellers then you're not going to appear much in the top 20 and hardware sales won't really benefit.
small44
Member
There is leggy games and not leggy games ,leggy games will stay a leggy games in any platform not leggy games will stay not leggy in any consoles.
Vita has niche not leggy games and 3ds has leggy games
Pennywise83
Banned
PSV did have a flow of releases. PSV problem is, though, that its line-up is not attracting new users; there are not mass-market titles; there are not titles able to sell over time.
At the end of August, PSV had a week with +230k units of new releases. Hw barely increased.
Terrible_Majesty
Member
ugh all games should just release on 3ds. bayo 2 would have done 3 x as much
Maybe Bayo 1+2 will get a 4DS port in 2017.
metalslimer
Member
I wouldn't touch a Bayonetta sequel made on the 3DS.
Punished_Snake
Member
How it tracked weekly when the game has been released on 20th September? I'm not saying we will see huge different in sales, but it will be better maybe 50k. Anyway, lets see how it will do in the west.
IIRC, Iwata stated that the idea for qol came to him at the beginning of Jan 2014. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
metalslimer
Member
This is obviously your first time in a sales thread, so I'll just let you know that first of all there was 2 days of tracking which is what large percentage of games get, and 95% of them don't go up the next week. Bayonetta 2 is going to fall to at least 15k with some decent legs, but it will probably be harsher than that.
frankie_baby
Member
Most games usually release on a Thursday so get 4 so it's possible the drop won't be as big as some titles do second week
I can't see Bayonetta 2 having legs in general..but I could see Bayonetta 2 having "legs" compared to other titles in the action genre, and those "legs" would be just the result of the first week being 2 days instead of 4 like many other releases, i.e. first week being less representative of the overall LTD compared to what happens normally. Still, it won't change the fact it did bad: it started with around 40,000 units (MC) and it's still an action game, after all. Heck, 100,000 LTD is the max it can reach, and it's probably an optimistic hypotesis.
Nintendo should make sure that the WiiU lineup of games is readily available for their next hardware. It'll be foolish to "throw away" these games.
Shipments may have been great, sales not.
Punished_Snake
Member
That's exactly what I was trying to say. next week when the list is in, I think Bayonetta 2 total sales will be between 50k-55k, if not more.
What happened? Can you link to the thread?
I really have to laugh when I read this because people have been saying that every week for a few years now. Vita always manages to keep on truckin' in Japan, much to the chagrin of the naysayers.
Phantasy Star Nova is not the Vita's saviour, but it should do at least 200K LTD. Sony didn't announce Vita stuff at TGS, but plenty of 3rd parties did. Judging from just what has been announced so far, Vita software support will remain strong through 2015. Of course none of these games are mainstream heavy hitters like the 3DS gets, so Vita hardware sales are not going to explode. Vita will just keep on truckin' in second place YTD sales.
Lots of factors really.
Sounds like it's time to start prepping that successor.
Hellraider
Member
Really? I honestly don't remember that, it has been a while. I'll take your word for it.
My point still stands though. The reason Sega's bayo2 got canned was because it wasn't in their a tier list. A couple of thousands copies on the bomba bin wouldn't have changed that.
Would half a million copies in bomba bins have changed it?
fredrancour
Member
Potential broad generalization alert: As far as I can tell...
The arcade style "Your entire first playthrough is the tutorial" replay-levels-for-better-ranks approach to a single-player game isn't popular. There are tons of people who are ok with playing the same game over and over and over again to get better at it. They seem to all prefer multiplayer competitions instead of master a single-player game's systems. Thus, there's not enough of a market for technically-involved action games with a high skill ceiling for that to be a self-sufficient selling point.
They don't seem to create settings with broad enough appeal to make the ride entertaining for people who don't give a damn about exploring the combat system.
Maybe if that Korra game turns out well, then with both that and Revengeance on their resumes, they can make a living sneaking deep combat systems into worlds designed by other people. Hell, maybe Nintendo will have them make their original "nintendo all-star action game" idea for wonderful 101. Surely the Nintendo-ful 101 would actually sell enough to break even. Maybe it could even be more focused than that- an entirely pokemon or fire emblem cast, for example.
The Abominable Snowman
Member
It seems like they mastered a genre and design that really piqued in popularity during the PS2 era, and hasn't really come back since. It's disheartening since they make such stellar games and are one of the few that still make character action games.
Hopefully after Scalebound, they'll do another DmC. Maybe even try their hand at Onimusha or, dare I say it, Dino Crisis!
I think we're long overdue for the resurgence of zombie/mecha Dinos in games.
sörine;131514182 said:
Xperia Vita tablet!
Sammy Samusu
Member
Phantasy Star was bigger than God Eater on PSP, it should sell +500k LTD and +300k FW.
God Eater 2
258,826 / 393,531 (PSV)
Kresnik258
Member
I had hoped we wouldn't see Vita tumbling back to pushing-10k-levels again this year, but here we are. Sony could really do with something to broaden the audience. They're getting games, but many of them are selling to the same crowd who already own the machine by now.
Should try and kickstart something themselves. Boku no Natsuyasumi would be a start!
Aside from that, boring week. But Bayonetta did better than I was expecting. in itself an absolutely terrible number, but lowered expectations make it seem okay.
Should try and kickstart something themselves. Boku no Natsuyasumi would be a start!
Aside from that, boring week. But Bayonetta did better than I was expecting. in itself an absolutely terrible number, but lowered expectations make it seem okay.
Maybe this could be interesting for just a few people, but, despite the bad debut, Bayonetta 2 is another proof that Comgnet comparisons with even 3-4 years old games are much less reliable and that the ratio between actual sales and Comgnet preorder pts is increasing in general.
Order: Comgnet final preorder pt / MC / ratio considering MC - Famitsu / ratio considering Famitsu
[PS3] Bayonetta - 201pt / 135,242 / 0.673 - 138,430 / 0.689 (4 days)
[360] Bayonetta - 66pt / 64,325 / 0.975 - 66,211 / 1 (4 days)
[WiiU] Bayonetta 2 - 20pt / 38,828 / 1.941 - 33,114 / 1.656 (2 days)
And we've also seen something similar with Destiny's debut on PS4: the game stopped at 56pt (less than PS3, 64pt), but it sold 91,277 (MC) / 88,609 (Famitsu) in its debut week.
Order: Comgnet final preorder pt / MC / ratio considering MC - Famitsu / ratio considering Famitsu
[PS3] Bayonetta - 201pt / 135,242 / 0.673 - 138,430 / 0.689 (4 days)
[360] Bayonetta - 66pt / 64,325 / 0.975 - 66,211 / 1 (4 days)
[WiiU] Bayonetta 2 - 20pt / 38,828 / 1.941 - 33,114 / 1.656 (2 days)
And we've also seen something similar with Destiny's debut on PS4: the game stopped at 56pt (less than PS3, 64pt), but it sold 91,277 (MC) / 88,609 (Famitsu) in its debut week.
Hellraider
Member
I'm not Sega, you know. I don't know how many of its sales were from bomba bins. Obviously enough of them were in regular price to make them consider and at some point even greenlit the sequel. For it to be cancelled something else had to have happened. And here comes Sega's recent policy change about b-tier games.sörine;131516279 said:
Eh, there are a multitude of other variables going on here. I don't think it'll do more than 400k personally. Besides, God Eater 1 outsold Phantasy Star Portable 2 so I really don't think there's all that much difference in the sales of the series.
Fierceguiex
Neo Member
What made Bayonetta more b-tier game from Yakuza since it sold so much?
edit: LTD for US is 350k
vinnygambini
Why are strippers at the U.N. bad when they're great at strip clubs???
Smash Bros' new shipment of Sept 22nd is sold out on Amazon.co.jp already lol
Dayum! Such a smart decision to have the series available on handhelds.
Dayum! Such a smart decision to have the series available on handhelds.
Hellraider
Member
Ask Sega. I would love to hear what the counterargument is. For the game to get greenlit only to be cancelled later I can't find another reasoning behind. Maybe they expected the sequel to flop like the rest of the Sega P+ games?
small44
Member
Why people think making vita a tablet will save it,isn't both of Sony smartphones and tablets flop?
The answer is simpler than you make it out to be. Sega didn't give a sequel for the same reason Level-5 didn't give a sequel to DS Ni no Kuni. 350k in US with bomba bins in that number, things didn't go out very well.
vinnygambini
Why are strippers at the U.N. bad when they're great at strip clubs???
It also helps that the Yakuza franchise is developed in-house as oppose to external developers such as Platinum Games + the Japanese setting doesn't hurt.
StreetsAhead
Member
Whatever it takes to pay the bills and keep the real version afloat.
The Abominable Snowman
Member
All 3 are flopping for different reasons
Xperia phones flop because Sony is terrible at release timing, announcement/release, carrier availability, general availability, and because they're absolutely terrible at marketing them because they're so rarely available.
Xperia tablets fail because they're priced higher than comparable offerings, and don't really have any charm or features to make them stand out.
Vita just kind of became an ignored subject and was in a weird space where Sony wouldn't allow iOS/PSP/3DS/console ports to it to try to differentiate themselves from other mobiles but were slow themselves to engage original development or porting.
test_account
XP-39C²
Is there any reason why in-house developers would be payed less? Or be more cost efficient than an external developer.
The Abominable Snowman
Member
Any body gauging New 3DS interest vs interest for the DSi?
small44
Member
So a Vita phone or will flop too so why some people think a Vita phone or Vita tablet will sell well
Well you can exactly control an in house developer whereas an external one can assign resources as they like.
This is why publishers often focus on internal teams.
AcademicSaucer
Member
Nintendo needs to let it go with home consoles , they are never going to have a succesful one again
StreetsAhead
Member
How can we know the answer to that question without knowing the budget for the game? Let alone, that it's 2 days worth of sales in one territory.
Circa 2004.