And the fact that Sony's share price is lower than Nintendo's?marc^o^ said:The author of this article uses the stock market to explain why Nintendo is doomed in the face of competition from Sony, etc.
He mentions a -50% decline YTD. It's actually -44%... vs -40% for Sony Corp. This 4% difference surely makes one company doomed, but not the other.
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Media Create Sales: Week 39, 2011 (Sep 26 - Oct 02)
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lunchwithyuzo
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It's already sold 12 million and has almost no 3rd party support, Wii's current malaise is no surprise. It's still going to end up having outsold PS3 slightly in hardware and significantly in software overall in the end though. Yeah, totally Gamecube level there.TheBranca18 said:
Cheesemeister
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Chris1964 said:
Readily available.
walking fiend
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Nintendo went up, Apple went downBoney said:
lunchwithyuzo said:
Yeah, totally not what I typed. I never said anything about where it's going to end up, but for how well it started to see where it is now is surprising and disconcerting. It's not solely a third party problem, besides select titles Nintendo has completely abandoned it. The Wii hasn't had support from third parties most of the generation, that's not the reason it's not selling now in Japan.
test_account
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True about the PS3, but the Wii was also fairly hot back in 2009.Anasui Kishibe said:
That could be, but i'm not 100% sure that this is the main reason because the later PS3 version sold better. Or it could be that people who didnt give the Wii version a chance back in 2009 gave the PS3 version a chance instead as some time had pasted (it was about a year between the Wii and PS3 version i think). Then it sounds more plausible i think.GameplayWhore said:
That is the version i mentdistantmantra said:
Xillia sold nearly 3 times as much as Graces for Wii and i wonder why this happened, especially seeing that both consoles had a fairly healthy install base when both those Tales games were released.Yeah, i agree that this sounds like a plausible situation indeed.donny2112 said:
I didn't. I just wanted to know if it went down in the face of 3DS doing well yet again. It entertains me. Also, the article was talking about it.Boney said:
The author of that article expects Wii U to release in April, and he's not the first one. I can already tell that there are going to be a bunch "doom" articles about Wii U missing its "April target" and speculation that the "delay" is caused by major hardware issues or that it might not make it to market at all.
AndrewDean84xX
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Yup.marc^o^ said:The author of this article uses the stock market to explain why Nintendo is doomed in the face of competition from Sony, etc.
He mentions a -50% decline YTD. It's actually -44%... vs -40% for Sony Corp. This 4% difference surely makes one company doomed, but not the other.
TheBranca18 said:
The Wii has been showing problems selling hardware since early 2008 in Japan. Lack of third-party support showed up hurting the Wii much earlier in Japan than elsewhere. It's not the current third-party support that's the reason for Wii's even further fall. It's the accumulation of years of lacking third-party support combined with Nintendo throwing in the towel (pretty much), too.
Nintendo banked on a system selling enough to warrant unique games from third-parties, and that's what they got. The problem was it was consistently the C and below tier of games with accompanying "push" that got made for the system, since the A teams were busy doing multi-platform HD releases. Wii U will fix that for multi-platform third-party releases (in terms of ease of ports), but it remains to be seen if it'll recapture the Wii-specific market along with it. *shrugs*
lunchwithyuzo
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There's literally nothing "surprising" about Wii's current situation, unless you simply haven't been paying attention the past 3 years. This isn't some sudden shift, it's been a long consistent spiral down and yes, it has everything to do with 3rd parties not ever really fully embracing the platform.TheBranca18 said:
I think what's more surprising is that the machine's still putting out some decent sellers (Rhythm Heaven, DQ Collection, etc) given the almost complete apathy towards the platform at this point..
donny2112 said:
Don't know whether I'd characterise it as Nintendo throwing in the towel, so much as the lack of third-party support showing up the inadequacies of relying so heavily on first-party titles.
Nintendo can only make so many games, and support for Wii was always going to get real thin once they had to start transitioning internal development to new platforms like the 3DS or Wii U.
I think one area where Nintendo fell short is in aggressively securing third-party support through various monetary incentives, which they seem to be more willing to do these days.
A Black Falcon
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The GBA wasn't killed off quickly after the DS came out just 3 1/2 years after its release, though. Quite the opposite, the GBA had a bit over two full years of first party support before finally being killed off, and third party support continued for another year past that. It ended up with a solid 5 1/2 years of good support, with one year of fading support afterwards.M.I.S. said:
It's the Game Boy Color, replaced after just 2 1/2 years, which really suffered the most as far as lifespan is concerned. Unlike the GBA, for the most part GBC first party support did not continue after the GBA"s release (Pokemon Crystal was released in the West shortly after the GBA, but not in Japan; the only other US GBC release after that, I believe, was the late 2002 Hamtaro: Ham-Hams Unite, which was released before the GBA in Japan.), and third party support faded to a trickle after the end of 2001, until finally the last releases came out in late 2002-early 2003 depending on region.
The DSi compares well with the GBC in this regard, given that it's only a couple of years old but is pretty much dead now. The DSi was not marketed as much as a followup as the GBC was (almost no card games require it, most notably), but still, it is a different system from the DS, and it is clearly going to have a short lifespan. I highly doubt that the 3DS will be similar, though, and these good sales make that chance more and more remote all the time.
I mean, you're right that we don't know, but it seems quite unlikely that the 3DS wouldn't last a full generation.
Father_Brain
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A Black Falcon said:
How? If it's marketed, branded, and positioned as a new model of DS... it's a new model of DS, not a distinct platform.
Thoraxes said:
Yes, a XBOX 360 S is the same console as an Xbox 360. But that comparison is off, as a DSi has increased RAM, and access to a store, and games that the DS doesn't. My yellowing OG 360 can play all the game an Xbox 360 S can. Not the case for DS and DSi. It's a refresh, but not merely a cosmetic one like the DSlite, or XL.
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http://www.nintendo.co.jp/corporate/release/2011/111006.html
Father_Brain
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Pixe said:
I'd think that they'd wait for the earnings release at the end of the month to announce this, but hey.
AceBandage
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And, there goes the Holidays in Japan.
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A Black Falcon
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Well, the tech specs aren't the same as the DS -- it has more RAM, and a few other changes.Father_Brain said:
Second, it has games that you cannot play on a regular DS -- there's no way to play DSiWare games without a DSi.
And third, there are a couple of card-based games that require a DSi to run.
So, I'd say there's no question but that the DSi is indeed a new console, but Nintendo chose to not brand or market it that way in order to cover for the fact that they were going to kill it after just a couple of years, so as to try to avoid a situation like the GBC had, where people got annoyed with Nintendo for killing the system so soon after its release. I certainly was unhappy with Nintendo when the GBA came out so soon after the GBC, for example, and didn't but a GBA for some time... so this time, while they again released a short-lived upgrade, this time they sold it as just a new model, not a new console.
Now, the GBC might be a bigger upgrade tech-specs wise than the DSi is (I believe the GBC's CPU is twice as fast as the GB's, for example), but still, the DSi isn't the exact same inside as the DS, apart from the removal of the GBA cart slot and the added downloadable games that is.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nintendo_DSi#Technical_specifications
According to Wikipedia there are six retail DSi exclusive games, that puts it in the same league as SuperGrafx (5), and Sega CD 32X (6).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Nintendo_DSi_games
A Black Falcon
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Alright, so it is a significant improvent over the DS, a lot like the GBC was in terms of improvement. The GBC still probably was more of an enhancement, if just for the B&W to color change (though I like the B&W graphics, adding color is a pretty easily seen change), but yeah, that basically proves my point, I think. The DSi was a new system, but because Nintendo was planning for it to have a very short life and a minimal retail-games presence, they didn't market it that way.BKK said:
Do those few DSi retail games, or the DSiWare stuff, show off the additional power much? You didn't hear about it much, really, but it must make some kind of difference...