Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
I agree completely about the unified account. What an asinine decision that was.
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Media Create Sales: Week 39, 2013 (Sep 23 - Sep 29)
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I agree completely about the unified account. What an asinine decision that was.
Its called the 'Hater' syndrome.
shinra-bansho
Member
NSMBU was supposed to be an evergreen as well. Having 3 games selling as "well" as NSMBU is now isn't enough to sustain a system.
The Wii had third party support though, didn't it?
It may have been shitty sloppy support but it had releases from the likes of EA and 2K Sports et al, but it was there padding the release schedule. After this last batch of third party games, what else is going to grace the system, some of Activision's licensed crap, Warner's family friendly stuff, maybe COD if this year's one makes a case for another iteration, Just Dance.
Pie and Beans
Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
All bets on Mario. Nothing else. And then, just Mario games from then on, because nothing else is going to magically start selling on the system.
This is why Vita comes across as the healthier system really, since stuff can regularly sell 100k on there (new IP's even!) while the WiiU appears to be a Mario-box and nothing else, and once you've burned through all the iterations you comfortably can, you start eating into the franchise fatigue territory.
This is why Vita comes across as the healthier system really, since stuff can regularly sell 100k on there (new IP's even!) while the WiiU appears to be a Mario-box and nothing else, and once you've burned through all the iterations you comfortably can, you start eating into the franchise fatigue territory.
BishopLamont
Banned
WW only sold so much because Zelda was selling better at that time, fast forward to SS, It underperformed severely in Japan, a WW remake was always destined to sell bad in Japan on the Wii U. I mean even if it opened at 100k, it wouldn't even make much difference.You didn't, but you were making up excuses for Skyward Sword's and Majora's sales, while insisting on Wind Waker being the least successful 3D Zelda. It just isn't true. Wind Waker was released on the least successful Nintendo console period (well, until the Wii U) and still managed to sell nearly 5 million units worldwide. That's a respectable number no matter which way you look at it. At least that's the way I interpreted your post, I'm sorry if I judged your intent incorrectly.
For the record, I don't think that any 3D Zelda game really underperformed with the exception of Skyward Sword. Even just talking about Japan, I think that Twilight Princess's 500k sales are still a solid number.
Skyward Sword, while selling better than Majora's Mask internationally, just wasn't acceptable, though. For a game that was in development for 5 years it's just not acceptable to just sell slightly better than the worst-selling 3D entry.
(Also, duckroll and Fisico clearly misunderstood the intent of my post.)
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
That's why I said if Mario Kart and Smash (both of which are clear system sellers) don't sell, it's over. Although, judging by GAF's reaction to the 3D World trailer, that could be a system-seller as well.
Even the Wii struggled to have a constant lineup. Third party support on Nintendo home console is a dream, let's face it.
So, I think that Wii U need system seller to increase the install base in order to sell enough copies of games (it's a circle), justifying Nintendo support to the console
At least to me, Wii U owner, that would like to see Nintendo games (first, second, funded) on the system for soe years, avoiding the possibility to see the Wii U being discontined too early
I don't see any potential realistic better achievment for this console. GC HW numers at best could be a really tough target to be hit
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
NSMBU was a terrible decision as it released soon after a major entry into the 3DS series. What did they expect?
I am talking about Japan, since this is a Japanese sales thread.
You think Nintendo is going to make any development decisions for Zelda based on Japanese sales? If they did, they would have canned the series on consoles years ago.
also looking at the iwata asks, dev team was tiny (like 2-3 people full time? some part time) and they (hopefully) have got some good porting tools out of it they can use. So even just the 30k sales here, ignoring digitals and rest of world, probably isnt that bad an outcome and goes a fair way to cover cost (ignoring the idea of consumer mindshare and console base growth).
Robert at Zeboyd Games
Banned
For comparison...
Sen no Kiseki Total - 149,340 (Vita + PS3)
First Week:
Ao no Kiseki (2011) - 127,938 (PSP)
Zero no Kiseki (2010) - 84,360 (PSP)
Zero no Kiseki Evolution (2012) - 21,518 (Vita remake)
Sen no Kiseki Total - 149,340 (Vita + PS3)
First Week:
Ao no Kiseki (2011) - 127,938 (PSP)
Zero no Kiseki (2010) - 84,360 (PSP)
Zero no Kiseki Evolution (2012) - 21,518 (Vita remake)
not sure about that but it could certainly come close to Dec 2011 when the trinity was released.
cold
you are just too negative!
a million more 3DS in Japan than last year? That would be a tall order. However, there is no doubt it will sell more than last year. A month ago people (I'm looking at you Dave ^^) were doubting 3DS cause it was behidn by 500K+ for the year.
shinra-bansho
Member
You don't think the equivalent applies with third party support in Japan?
Bamco, Tecmo Koei, Capcom, Marvelous, Squenix were putting out titles weren't they? What are they doing on the Wii U? There's Taiko and...
The star of the show may be Nintendo's titles, but you still need the back up actors.
frankie_baby
Member
the bundles are an absolute bargain, of course anyone wanting a wii u will wait for it if they have any sense
I do wonder if possibly Zelda may see a little bump when the bundles launch
I am saying if you look at the entirety of the Wii lineup, it rarely had consistent support. It would have spurts here and there,especially around December, but it never had a steady stream of Japanese oriented software like other successful platforms have.
I don't really think this point is disputable, frankly.
Glass Rebel
Member
He won't change until you stop quoting him and he has to find a new gimmick.
spatenfloot
Member
Plus the Vita gets releases in the form of PS3/vita and PS4/vita titles. The ease of making cross version means it will get some support for a long time even if it doesn't get true exclusives.
shinra-bansho
Member
I haven't looked into it enough, so I'll take your word on that.
I don't know if spacing of releases is necessarily more important than volume of releases to look forward to, retail presence, etc. in terms of fueling purchase intent and making a system seem like it has a viable future, though. On the whole there was seemingly more software support.
Also, on further inspection of the overarching point of the initial argument by duckroll - that a system needs to be seen as viable for people to buy it - I really don't think comparisons to the Wii, and the cultural phenomenon it was, really make sense.
I'm one of those PS3 Sen sales!
Last game I imported before it was Saidaioujou, another popular one. Has there ever been a Japanese exclusive (or a game that was exclusive for a long time) that had a significant portion of its sales come from imports? Nothing crazy, but say, 20% even?
Last game I imported before it was Saidaioujou, another popular one. Has there ever been a Japanese exclusive (or a game that was exclusive for a long time) that had a significant portion of its sales come from imports? Nothing crazy, but say, 20% even?
Ouendan was probably beyond 40%. It's the reason for EBA's existence.
test_account
XP-39C²
PSP passed 20 million i see, congrats to Sony for that. Interesting that many years ago, it looked like the PSP wouldnt even reach 10 million units sold in Japan. Probably the biggest turnaround for a system in Japan's gaming history?
The price is too low. Not even a firesale would have that low price
That is assuming that people have a lot of interest in all of those games, and that they are not interested in newer released games. I think that would be very unlikely. At a such low price, many of the games would be "throw away" games, and people are likely to be interested in newer games as well. Its pretty much impossible that its being sold at that low price though
I don't think we are in disagreement- my point in response to duckroll was that even with the insane sales the Wii had for the first 2 years, it never translated into consistent support, making it essentially impossible that Wii U could ever hope to get there support wise.
Vita is next
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
I'll believe that when I see it.
How far behind is Vita tracking the PSP for the same timeframe of the console's lifespan?
Vita won't even sell half of the PSP LTD.
frankie_baby
Member
good thing swallowed my coffee before I read your post
shinra-bansho
Member
Oh, I got confused at what you were saying.
Well, yeh. That's true; but there were a lot of reasons that led to poor support, despite the high installed base.
I don't really buy into the whole idea that it's impossible for Nintendo to have third party support back on their home platforms. I just don't think they've ever been willing to invest in making the effort to do so and/or to risk the potential damaging of their strong family brand/IPs by properly courting the demographics that Microsoft and Sony predominantly target. That's entirely their prerogative of course and really the most valuable commodity Nintendo have are their IPs so their risk aversion makes sense.
darkside31337
Tomodachi wa Mahou
Uh if it sold half of the PSP LTD then that would indeed be quite the turnaround.
I realize that the original Wind Waker didn't sell huge in Japan, but I was still expecting more of a Pikmin 3 figure than 1/3 of it. Not seeing the U get a sales bump is also worrisome, but maybe people are waiting on the upcoming bundles.
Pikmin is pretty niche compared to a mainline Mario. I'd think and hope for 175k+ for 3D World.
Pikmin is pretty niche compared to a mainline Mario. I'd think and hope for 175k+ for 3D World.
BishopLamont
Banned
keyword: won't
You make it sounds as if Nintendo is twiddling their thumbs and sitting on them doing nothing. At least nothing was lost in releasing WWHD as they'll likely turn a profit.
Okay. If you say so. lol
Capcom isnt their to save the day this time.
Hmmm... I wonder if at this point, there's anything that can be done about the failure duo ViitaU. WiiU has Mario 3D (I doubt it'll set Japan on fire), Kart 8 and Smash, while Vita is getting DAT LCD version and Vita TV. I just hope they're profitable enough, because they're the biggest hardware bombas since the Dreamcast.
3DS domination, as it should be.
3DS domination, as it should be.
Sure it probably won't reach 20 mil, but I can see the Vita getting a massive turn around.
Doesn't have to be Capcom to save the Vita
Doesn't have to be Capcom to save the Vita
Sen sales are indeed good considering the actual times and many franchises falling to the ground nowdays and japan console market....
Two things are certain for now imho:
1 it won' t reach falcom sales expectations in its life time
2 the sales are "split" on 2 platforms, ps3 is expected to be repleaced with ps4 next year in japan and vita is struggling..i think the ps3\vita choice was a good one but only in the short term..i wonder in 2-3 years where is aiming to move the franchise falcom (or if the vita settlement is enought for them)
Didn't MHP3rd release at the start of December? Probably worth tallying up a comparison after three months or so, after they have both had a holiday season, time evens out stock issues and also possibly an idea of how many players went for a digital copy due to that rather than basing a final judgement on three weeks of sales at different times of the year.
Even then sales at the moment look like a dip from 'fucking amazing' to 'slightly less but still fucking amazing in context' rather than something worth going into console WaRz over.
So that means 20k+ from imports? Incredible, no wonder EBA happened.
The Vita can certainly hold its own with PS3 games, but I'm curious about the PS4. I'm thinking it might only get ports from games that don't turn the graphics up too high. With a few concessions I'm confident it could play Resogun, but I'm not as sure about titles like Second Son.
What will lead to the massive turnaround then?
Sho_Nuff82
Member
It's damn near full price for a remake of a 10 year old game. Even the best remake of all time (REmake) didn't move insane numbers. Halo CE didn't. God of War didn't. MGS didn't. Silent Hill didn't. Riddick didn't. Ico/SotC didn't. I don't understand why people thought that Wind Waker, on a platform with lukewarm software sales, would change that pattern.
Remakes generally only have a chance of recapturing or exceeding old sales glory when moved to handhelds. The novelty of portable gaming with a classic title is a proven selling point. "HD-ifying" old 3D games is not. Most console gamers have likely already played the game, and maybe have a copy sitting in a closet somewhere (plus they had the entire backwards compatible Wii lifespan to try it out).
Edit: not counting the bundle, it will probably do about the same/worse in the states, since the west prefers the TP style graphics.
Yeah cos Sony in 2 years have shown just how capable they are of fixing things. What a great job.
I like this name. That's what it should be called from now if it isnt't already
Do you have a number in mind?
Rakuga Kids qHD remake.
FFX, GE2, PSN2, PSVITAtv, PSVITA2000
It was first on it's release week on the charts, but i also don't think you need to sell 6k to get into that position. It's not on the all time rankings, where i think the low end are something like 10k... So you can think what you want. I don't believe it sold that much on the eshop. I didn't fell the need to buy it or play it, so i'm part of the problem... If not buying something you don't want is a problem.
Absolutely. Wii had some nice releases, but they were few and far between. PS3 even when it was selling like crap got much better schedules. With Wiiu selling even worse, it's hard as hell to penetrate the market. I think Nintendo should outright moneyhat to at least mantain a good schedule. The only third party games announced for 2014 are Wonderflick and Puyo Puyo Tetris. It's in a very bad situation, but things can get better, if Nintendo tries enough.
I'm not a pessimist as some of you are and i think Wii party will do well, mostly in part it's one of the first games that have a focus on a different direction. Maybe the ship has sailed, but since it's a party game, it can always sell for the gamers who like those too, so it's not in a bad position. Of course it's going to sell much less, but...
The next exclusive releases for the Wiiu are: Rayman (bomb), Sonic (bomb), Wii party (who knows), Mario (will do well), Taiko (will do well), Disney Infinity (who knows, even though i think the price is going to be a barrier) and Mario and Sonic, which i think will do well since it's on holidays.
It's not good by any means, but compared to the rest of the year, it's packed. A couple of bombs and some titles that may have lost it's power, but at least there are games.