Because it's anecdotal. Though it's guaranteed Vita will see a bump from GE2.
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Because it's anecdotal. Though it's guaranteed Vita will see a bump from GE2.
Magicpaint
Member
Oh yeah true. It being sold out locally doesn't necessarily mean the Vita stock is depleting at the same rate everywhere, but yeah a hardware (relatively) big bump is obviously guaranteed.
gamergirly
Member
Well, while true that Nintendo is running out of playing cards, Vita sales aren't going to improve just because of that. The same could be argued for the Vita anyway. What next after Freedom Wars?
What cards have they played exactly outside of NSMBU? Mario 3D World will be the only "real" card since a year ago now. W101 and Pikmin 3 were never expected to carry the system. $50 price drop is a scratch.
Pie and Beans
Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
Talking about 3DS there, champ. They've fired off all Marios, Pokemon, Animal Crossing, even a Monster Hunter, and Zelda very soon. Smash Brothers is the last big box-tick for Big Nintendo Bullet Bills, I guess, other than another Pokemon.
WiiU's cards are all but meaningless when played if the system can never maintain its bumps, which a total and apocalyptic lack of third party software almost entirely ensures.
airmangataosenai
Member
No lines=No sales
Aquamarine
Member
Dengeki Weekly Software Highlights:
Battlefield 4 was the headliner this week (at 120K), but it launched lower the previous iteration (134K)
Pokemon X + Y sold more than 3 million units (3.062 million) in its first five weeks
Monster Hunter is projected to sell more than 3 million units next week
Akiba's Trip 2 took fifth-place with 53K combined PS3 + PSV sales
Top 50
3DS - 21
PS3 - 16
PSV - 6
PSP - 3
WIU - 2
360 - 1
WII - 1
New releases not present in the Top 50:
For the people who aren't regulars in Media Create threads:
What is Dengeki?
Dengeki is a website (it's also a brand of magazines / a book and manga imprint) that publishes sell-through Japanese sales data tracked by ASCII Research Institute, courtesy of ASCII Media Works, Inc. Every week they publish a nationwide snapshot of Japanese video game sales with the cooperation of more than 3,000 specialty game stores and convenience store chains all across Japan.
Why post Dengeki numbers when you have Media Create / Famitsu in the OP?
1) Unlike any other tracker, Dengeki gives us software numbers for Top 50 sales so we can track low-performing titles for a longer period of time
2) Unlike the others, Dengeki gives us total software sales for every platform, so we can track the relative health of platform software ecosystems
3) Dengeki is a respected sales tracker with 5 consecutive years of being reported each week in GAF threads
Is Dengeki less accurate than Media Create / Famitsu?
1) Dengeki is just as accurate as Media Create and Famitsu. Just because each tracker has quirks and natural deviations from the others doesn't mean one is inherently superior to the rest.
2) Dengeki is the tracker most unfamiliar to GAF / the public, and sometimes people confuse lack of dissemination with inaccuracy in sales figures
3) The amount of retail stores Dengeki tracks is similar to Media Create and Famitsu
Here are the differences between the trackers:
Media Create:
+ Nationwide Japanese sales data from Media Create Co., Ltd.
+ Tracks more than 3,000 retail stores / chains
+ Top 20 software sales with numbers
+ Top 50 software sales without numbers
+ Total hardware sales per platform
+ Sometimes presents sell-through figures
+ Releases first (at the same time as Famitsu)
+ Nintendo uses these numbers in their investor presentations
+ Distinguishes between 3DS and 3DS LL
- Does not track download cards
- Does not provide software sales figures past the Top 20
Famitsu:
+ Nationwide Japanese sales data from Enterbrain, Inc.
+ Tracks about 3,600 retail stores / chains
+ Top 30 software sales with numbers
+ Total hardware sales per platform
+ Sell-through ranges for all titles
+ Has the most historical data available for GAFfers
+ Tracks download cards
+ Releases first (at the same time as Media Create)
- Does not distinguish between 3DS and 3DS LL
- Does not report total software sales
Dengeki:
+ Nationwide Japanese sales data from ASCII Research Institute.
+ Tracks more than 3,000 retail stores / chains
+ Top 50 software sales with numbers
+ Top 3 software sales per platform
+ Total software sales per platform
+ Total hardware sales per platform
+ Sell-through figures for a few titles
+ Distinguishes between 3DS and 3DS LL
- Inconsistent data reporting over the years
- Does not track download cards
- Releases nearly 24 hours after Media Create / Famitsu
Dengeki Spreadsheet Archive
http://bit.ly/16xq86v
Dengeki Historical Sales Archive
2009 | 2010 | 2011 | 2012 | 2013
(A very special thanks to Road for making this archive possible)
Last Week's Sales Figures: Week 44, 2013 (Oct 28 - Nov 03)
Battlefield 4 was the headliner this week (at 120K), but it launched lower the previous iteration (134K)
- 113K units sold of Battlefield 3 on PS3 first week
- 111K units sold of Battlefield 4 on PS3 first week
- 21K units sold of Battlefield 3 on 360 first week
- 9K units sold of Battlefield 4 on 360 first week
Pokemon X + Y sold more than 3 million units (3.062 million) in its first five weeks
- Pokemon X - 54K units sold in its fifth week
- Pokemon Y - 45K units sold in its fifth week
Monster Hunter is projected to sell more than 3 million units next week
- Sold 2.971 million LTD this week
- MH4 will join the "3 million 3DS club" of Animal Crossing: New Leaf and Pokemon X + Y
Akiba's Trip 2 took fifth-place with 53K combined PS3 + PSV sales
- Combined PS3 + PSV sales (53K) are very similar to 2011's Akiba Trip for PSP (54K first week, 107K total)
- Around 60% of the shipments of Akiba's Trip 2 for Vita + PS3 combined sold through in its first week.
- Because Akiba's Trip sold 53,454, we can assume Akiba's Trip had ~89,100 initial shipments to retailers for both SKUs combined
Code:
[B]DENGEKI TOP 50 SOFTWARE SALES
Week 45, 2013 (Nov 04 - Nov 10)[/B]
[U][B]RANK/L.WK TITLE PUBLISHER RELEASE SALES LTD WK. CHANGE[/B][/U]
[b]1/- PS3 Battlefield 4 Electronic Arts 13/11/07 111,387 111,387[/b]
2/1 3DS Pokémon X Pokémon Co. 13/10/12 53,788 1,583,185 -27%
3/3 3DS Pokémon Y Pokémon Co. 13/10/12 44,747 1,478,622 -30%
4/6 3DS Monster Hunter 4 Capcom 13/09/14 38,888 2,971,671 -16%
[b]5/- Vita Akiba's Trip 2 Acquire 13/11/07 33,827 33,827[/b]
6/4 PS3 Jikkyou Powerful Pro Baseball 2013 Konami 13/10/24 32,429 174,598 -44%
7/2 Wii U Wii Party U Nintendo 13/10/31 28,633 99,189 -59%
8/11 PS3 Grand Theft Auto V Rockstar Games 13/10/10 27,238 484,623 -11%
9/7 PSP Jikkyou Powerful Pro Baseball 2013 Konami 13/10/24 23,367 96,040 -32%
[b]10/- PS3 Akiba's Trip 2 Acquire 13/11/07 19,627 19,627 [/b]
[b]11/- 3DS Metal Max 4: Moonlight Diva Kadokawa Games 13/11/07 19,104 19,104[/b]
[b]12/- 3DS Bandai Namco Games Presents J Legend Retsuden Bandai Namco Games 13/11/07 15,713 15,713[/b]
13/9 Wii U New Super Mario Bros. U Nintendo 12/12/08 13,872 616,088 -57%
[b]14/- PS3 Onechanbara Z: Kagura with NoNoNo! D3 Publisher 13/11/07 12,920 12,920[/b]
15/14 3DS Sentouchuu: Densetsu no Shinobi no Survival Battle! Bandai Namco Games 13/10/17 12,411 91,612 -7%
[b]16/- Vita Exstetra FuRyu 13/11/07 11,494 11,494[/b]
17/5 3DS Little Battlers eXperience: Wars Level 5 13/10/31 11,267 58,311 -76%
18/8 Vita Gundam Breaker Bandai Namco Games 13/10/31 10,356 44,006 -69%
[b]19/- PS3 Rocksmith 2014 Edition Ubisoft 13/11/07 9,469 9,469[/b]
[b]20/- X360 Battlefield 4 Electronic Arts 13/11/07 9,258 9,258[/b]
21/13 Vita Jikkyou Powerful Pro Baseball 2013 Konami 13/10/24 8,588 47,614 -42%
[b]22/- PS3 NBA 2K14 Take-Two Japan 13/11/07 7,718 7,718[/b]
23/16 3DS Animal Crossing: New Leaf Nintendo 12/11/08 5,876 3,408,834 7%
24/15 PS3 BlazBlue: Chronophantasma Arc System Works 13/10/24 5,435 95,392 -54%
25/18 3DS Disney Magic Castle: My Happy Life Bandai Namco Games 13/08/01 5,328 317,948 5%
26/10 Vita Chou Tsugitsugimono Game Neptune Re:Birth1 Compile Heart 13/10/31 5,040 36,547 -84%
27/19 3DS Friend Collection: New Life Nintendo 13/04/18 5,024 1,490,449 3%
28/12 PS3 Tears to Tiara II: Haou no Matsuei Aqua Plus 13/10/31 4,867 29,514 -80%
[b]29/- PSP Glass Heart Princess: Platinum Idea Factory 13/11/07 4,088 4,088[/b]
[b]30/- 3DS Exstetra FuRyu 13/11/07 3,400 3,400[/b]
31/26 3DS Youkai Watch Level 5 13/07/11 3,031 210,460 6%
32/30 3DS Mario Kart 7 Nintendo 11/12/01 3,006 2,104,908 12%
33/32 3DS New Super Mario Bros. 2 Nintendo 12/07/28 2,875 2,036,830 16%
34/34 3DS Luigi's Mansion: Dark Moon Nintendo 13/03/20 2,606 919,520 9%
35/35 3DS Mario & Luigi: Dream Team Nintendo 13/07/18 2,550 347,685 7%
36/39 3DS Sonic: Lost World Sega 13/10/24 2,317 8,886 16%
37/25 PS3 Soccer Tsuku: Pro Soccer Club o Tsukurou! Sega 13/10/10 2,188 103,069 -25%
38/22 PS3 FIFA 14 Electronic Arts 13/10/17 2,147 34,278 -46%
39/24 PS3 Tales of Symphonia: Unisonant Pack Bandai Namco Games 13/10/10 1,959 103,370 -37%
40/31 PS3 Fairy Fencer F Compile Heart 13/10/10 1,800 60,043 -29%
41/42 PS3 Final Fantasy XIV Online: A Real Reborn Square Enix 13/08/27 1,783 237,054 2%
42/27 PS3 Beyond: Two Souls SCE 13/10/17 1,722 30,580 -39%
43/28 Vita Dangan-Ronpa 1-2: Reload Spike Chunsoft 13/10/10 1,706 91,850 -40%
44/36 PS3 Warriors Orochi 3: Ultimate Koei Tecmo 13/09/26 1,694 131,855 -27%
45/45 Wii Taiko no Tatsujin Wii: Super Deluxe Edition Bandai Namco Games 12/11/29 1,617 568,064 10%
[b]46/- 3DS Tamagotchi! Session no Dream School Bandai Namco Games 13/11/07 1,580 1,580[/b]
47/47 3DS Donkey Kong Country Returns 3D Nintendo 13/06/13 1,553 285,457 13%
48/48 PSP God Eater: Burst (PSP the Best Reprint) Bandai Namco Games 13/06/06 1,528 35,728 12%
49/56 3DS Super Mario 3D Land Nintendo 11/11/03 1,500 1,881,459
50/43 3DS Ace Attorney 5 Capcom 13/07/25 1,467 350,235 -10%Top 50
3DS - 21
PS3 - 16
PSV - 6
PSP - 3
WIU - 2
360 - 1
WII - 1
New releases not present in the Top 50:
Code:
[B][3DS] CharaPet Tsukutte! Sodatete! Character Shougakkou
[PSV] Mobile Suit Gundam Seed: Battle Destiny (PlayStation Vita the Best)
[PSP] SD Gundam G Generation: Over World (PSP the Best)
[PSP] Sengoku Hime 3: Tenka o Kirisaku Hikari to Kage (SystemSoft Selection)
[PS3] Wonderbook: Book of Spells
[PS3] Okami HD (PlayStation 3 the Best)
[PS3] Resident Evil Chronicles HD Selection (PlayStation 3 the Best)
[PS3] Tekken Tag Tournament 2 (PlayStation 3 the Best)
[360] Rocksmith 2014 Edition
[360] NBA 2K14
[360] Tekken Tag Tournament 2 (Platinum Collection)[/B]
Code:
[B]DENGEKI TOP 3 SOFTWARE SALES PER PLATFORM
Week 45, 2013 (Nov 04 - Nov 10)[/B]
[U][B]RANK TITLE PUBLISHER RELEASE SALES LTD[/B][/U]
[B]PS3 Top 3[/B]
[b]1 Battlefield 4 Electronic Arts 13/11/07 111,387 111,387[/b]
2 Jikkyou Powerful Pro Baseball 2013 Konami 13/10/24 32,429 174,598
3 Grand Theft Auto V Rockstar Games 13/10/10 27,238 484,623
[B]PSV Top 3[/B]
[b]1 Akiba's Trip 2 Acquire 13/11/07 33,827 33,827[/b]
[b]2 Exstetra FuRyu 13/11/07 11,494 11,494 [/b]
3 Gundam Breaker Bandai Namco Games 13/10/31 10,356 44,006
[B]PSP Top 3[/B]
1 Jikkyou Powerful Pro Baseball 2013 Konami 13/10/24 23,367 96,040
[b]2 Glass Heart Princess: Platinum Idea Factory 13/11/07 4,088 4,088[/b]
3 God Eater: Burst (PSP the Best Reprint) Bandai Namco Games 13/06/06 1,528 35,728
[B]WIU Top 3[/B]
1 Wii Party U Nintendo 13/10/31 28,633 99,189
2 New Super Mario Bros. U Nintendo 12/12/08 13,872 616,088
3 The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker HD Nintendo 13/09/26 1,133 46,326
[B]WII Top 3[/B]
1 Taiko no Tatsujin Wii: Super Deluxe Edition Bandai Namco Games 12/11/29 1,617 568,064
2 Mario Kart Wii Nintendo 08/04/30 706 3,597,863
3 Super Smash Bros. Brawl Nintendo 08/01/31 694 2,426,554
[B]3DS Top 3[/B]
1 Pokémon X Pokémon Co. 13/10/12 53,788 1,583,185
2 Pokémon Y Pokémon Co. 13/10/12 44,747 1,478,622
3 Monster Hunter 4 Capcom 13/09/14 38,888 2,971,671
[B]NDS Top 3[/B]
1 Pokémon Black 2 Pokémon Co. 12/06/23 306 1,624,880
2 Dragon Quest V: Hand of the Heavenly Bride (Ultimate Hits) Square Enix 10/03/04 220 192,059
3 Dragon Quest VI: Realms Of Revelation (Ultimate Hits) Square Enix 11/02/03 195 149,300
[B]360 Top 3[/B]
[b]1 Battlefield 4 Electronic Arts 13/11/07 9,258 9,258[/b]
[b]2 Rocksmith 2014 Edition Ubisoft 13/11/07 858 858[/b]
3 Grand Theft Auto V Rockstar Games 13/10/10 487 32,814
Code:
[B]DENGEKI TOTAL HARDWARE AND SOFTWARE SALES
Week 45, 2013 (Nov 04 - Nov 10)[/B]
[U][B]SYSTEM SALES SALES(%) L.WEEK L.WEEK(%) FY 2013 SALES FY 2013(%) FY 2013(L.WK %)[/B][/U]
[B]SOFTWARE SALES:[/B]
PS3 277,525 36.1% 181,156 22.7% 6,223,848 24.5% 24.1%
Vita 87,533 11.4% 100,193 12.5% 1,736,697 6.8% 6.7%
PSP 57,446 7.5% 77,097 9.7% 2,248,923 8.8% 8.9%
Wii U 49,832 6.5% 111,556 14.0% 850,748 3.3% 3.2%
Wii 9,271 1.2% 9,294 1.2% 577,373 2.3% 2.3%
3DS 272,167 35.4% 313,736 39.3% 13,263,477 52.2% 52.7%
DS 4,357 0.6% 3,692 0.5% 255,317 1.0% 1.0%
X360 11,509 1.5% 1,929 0.2% 259,376 1.0% 1.0%
Total 769,640 100.0% 798,653 100.0% 25,415,759 100.0% 100.0%
[B]HARDWARE SALES:[/B]
PS3 10,941 8.2% 10,263 6.1% 383,103 9.6% 9.6%
Vita 22,106 16.5% 26,396 15.8% 492,703 12.3% 12.2%
PSP 4,276 3.2% 3,828 2.3% 181,243 4.5% 4.6%
Wii U 17,142 12.8% 38,905 23.2% 298,242 7.5% 7.3%
Wii 633 0.5% 818 0.5% 34,637 0.9% 0.9%
3DS LL 52,550 39.3% 58,780 35.1% 1,831,518 45.9% 46.1%
3DS 25,977 19.4% 28,328 16.9% 758,548 19.0% 19.0%
X360 253 0.2% 256 0.2% 11,178 0.3% 0.3%
Total 133,878 100.0% 167,574 100.0% 3,991,172 100.0% 100.0%
[B]*Please note: PS3 Weekly Software Dengeki sales (and the corresponding percentages) have been slightly adjusted this week to align with minor FY-to-date
discrepancies.[/B]
[B]*Note: FY 2013 refers to the period from April 2013 through March 2014[/B]For the people who aren't regulars in Media Create threads:
What is Dengeki?
Dengeki is a website (it's also a brand of magazines / a book and manga imprint) that publishes sell-through Japanese sales data tracked by ASCII Research Institute, courtesy of ASCII Media Works, Inc. Every week they publish a nationwide snapshot of Japanese video game sales with the cooperation of more than 3,000 specialty game stores and convenience store chains all across Japan.
Why post Dengeki numbers when you have Media Create / Famitsu in the OP?
1) Unlike any other tracker, Dengeki gives us software numbers for Top 50 sales so we can track low-performing titles for a longer period of time
2) Unlike the others, Dengeki gives us total software sales for every platform, so we can track the relative health of platform software ecosystems
3) Dengeki is a respected sales tracker with 5 consecutive years of being reported each week in GAF threads
Is Dengeki less accurate than Media Create / Famitsu?
1) Dengeki is just as accurate as Media Create and Famitsu. Just because each tracker has quirks and natural deviations from the others doesn't mean one is inherently superior to the rest.
2) Dengeki is the tracker most unfamiliar to GAF / the public, and sometimes people confuse lack of dissemination with inaccuracy in sales figures
3) The amount of retail stores Dengeki tracks is similar to Media Create and Famitsu
Here are the differences between the trackers:
Media Create:
+ Nationwide Japanese sales data from Media Create Co., Ltd.
+ Tracks more than 3,000 retail stores / chains
+ Top 20 software sales with numbers
+ Top 50 software sales without numbers
+ Total hardware sales per platform
+ Sometimes presents sell-through figures
+ Releases first (at the same time as Famitsu)
+ Nintendo uses these numbers in their investor presentations
+ Distinguishes between 3DS and 3DS LL
- Does not track download cards
- Does not provide software sales figures past the Top 20
Famitsu:
+ Nationwide Japanese sales data from Enterbrain, Inc.
+ Tracks about 3,600 retail stores / chains
+ Top 30 software sales with numbers
+ Total hardware sales per platform
+ Sell-through ranges for all titles
+ Has the most historical data available for GAFfers
+ Tracks download cards
+ Releases first (at the same time as Media Create)
- Does not distinguish between 3DS and 3DS LL
- Does not report total software sales
Dengeki:
+ Nationwide Japanese sales data from ASCII Research Institute.
+ Tracks more than 3,000 retail stores / chains
+ Top 50 software sales with numbers
+ Top 3 software sales per platform
+ Total software sales per platform
+ Total hardware sales per platform
+ Sell-through figures for a few titles
+ Distinguishes between 3DS and 3DS LL
- Inconsistent data reporting over the years
- Does not track download cards
- Releases nearly 24 hours after Media Create / Famitsu
Dengeki Spreadsheet Archive
http://bit.ly/16xq86v
Dengeki Historical Sales Archive
2009 | 2010 | 2011 | 2012 | 2013
(A very special thanks to Road for making this archive possible)
Last Week's Sales Figures: Week 44, 2013 (Oct 28 - Nov 03)
metalslimer
Member
It's going to be a weird situation when the Vita is selling more weekly than it does monthly in other territories. I'm sure Vita will get some more software support, but with the switch to mobile and the lack of attention even the 3DS gets, it's really hard to see a real revitilization in terms of software. It seems strange to me Sony is not launching Vita TV in the west this year. It basically seems like they are letting Vita die further in the west when they have a card to play
In West I think Sony has already pretty much gave up. At least they are saving money by not putting any effort or whatsoever to it. Instead they are concentrating on PS4/3, which makes perfect business sense...
michaelius
Banned
They would be taking attention from PS4 launch. Instead Japan get's VTV earlier as as "we're sorry that you have to wait for ps4" thing.
Spieler Eins
Member
No. Kirby is a million seller and so is Mario Party (including the DS entry). Unless Zelda takes off like Phantom Hourglass, you'll also have plenty of other games that could keep up with it saleswise in the future.
They can sell Vitas as an accessory to the PS4 for now. It's not like it would sell any more or less than it already is that way.
Pie and Beans
Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
Speaking more about hardware pushers. I'm sure there are Kirby fans out there that wait for a Kirby before jumping on but I can't imagine they're a numerous bunch.
Vita needed a GTA really, and a fresh feeling one despite needing to reuse 4's assets. Some must have game the west obsesses over (a far better COD may have done a good trick too) to justify anyone owning the device. Unfortunately ALL of Rockstar was working on V, so theres no satellite that could have even made it as their development circles the insane 1000 member gang. Bioshock never materialising was another nonsense moment too.
Compared to the Wii U now? Sure. Compared to reality of what even "fairly well" third-party support should've entailed? Not at all. Thing was the far and away market leader for the first few years of the generation, and the third-party support didn't ever really pick up to close to comparable levels for a typical market leader. Not even "fairly well" levels, unless you're just using a "they released something or other" definition of "fairly well."
metalslimer
Member
So do people think there is any chance the "4DS" launches late 2015? We're already looking at a decline next year when they will launch Smash, Yoshi, Kirby, and Mario Party. They'll probably reveal 2-3 more games for the year as well (3D Land 2? and possibly DQ11 with 3rd parties). Then you get to 2015 and it will probably be a steeper decline. They could launch a Pokemon remake but I doubt Gen 7 is ready until 2016 at the earliest and they could always just cross gen it. I guess it depends if Nintendo is ok with the decline they'll be facing in the next few years especially with probably not much good news from Wii U. It seems pretty early but that would be almost 5 years and it would be 5 years if it was early 2016. The next few years from Nintendo will be very interesting.
metalslimer
Member
Yeah it is really early. I guess another question I wanted to get at is what can Nintendo do to keep the 3DS fairly steady over the next couple of years, and would it be wise to divert some of the resources they were going to use on Wii U back to 3DS.
michaelius
Banned
Oh i think Bioshock will arrive in some form.
At this point it is similar case to Killzone E3 trailer for PS3 where it's point of honor for Sony to deliver on promise.
The smart thing would be amputation of dead weight and moving all resources to 3DS and it's successor.
There may be a 3DSi equivalent, but Nintendo is already dealing with requisite high prices for hardware/software outside of Japan. That's probably part of the reason for no 2DS (i.e. semi-price cut) in Japan for now. They really need to wait until they can get the prices lower on a system before launching a new one. 2 years might be long enough to mention that a new system is in development (there's always a new system in development, but they might actually say that one's in concrete development by then), but I think Nintendo wants 3DS to last for a long time (like DS's 7 years to a successor) to get 1) profit with Wii U failing and selling for a loss and 2) for a successor's hardware/software cost to be at a more acceptable level for a generation being weaned on touch-screen only free/$0.99 games.
I think 2DS could help a lot in sustaining momentum in Japan in late 2014-all 2015. However, we still don't know the entire first and third party lineup for next year. Iwata stated that first party lineup will still be filled with lots of content; I'm curious to see how much.
And then we can still have Bravely Default 2, DQXI and et cetera.
I don't really think Nintendo needs to do much to keep the 3DS going. They haven't stopped developing games on it, and third parties are still supporting it pretty strongly. In 2015 there might be rumblings of a new portable system from Nintendo, but I'll be surprised if there's anything even hinted at before that.
Pie and Beans
Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
Not really entirely up to Sony with this one. Same scenario as Resident Evil PSP really, which is extra sour because it seems Capcom went out of their way to not do Revelaitons on Vita.
Beyond Mahvel, Capcoms absolute contempt for Vita is kind of amazing. I felt sure they'd try and repurpose Dragons Dogma into a smaller hunting game, carving out areas and recolouring Drakes, but thats before we get shit like "cant afford to develop a SFV, lol" and that bottom of the bucket DD card smartphone game thing. Hell, that Lost Planet 2 Vita tech demo is absolutely bizarre in hindsight.
metalslimer
Member
I have no doubt Nintendo will bring it first party wise next year, even if they've exhausted the games that can sell over 2 million until the next Pokemon. What 3rd parties are doing is what is the most concerning at least in terms of consistency. The big games will obviously come. I'm interested to see if Sega keeps Atlus making 3DS games as they have been a very strong supporter.
My prediction is that 3DS' successor will be released in late 2016, so three years from now. The latest I can think of is Q1 2017, but I suppose they wouldn't like to lose the Holiday frenzy like they did with 3DS.
...Obviously, if launching in late 2016 means having another Wii U situation, it's much better to wait for Q1 2017, but that's another story XD
Magicpaint
Member
The 3DS has a big userbase already so the focus moving forward shouldn't necessarily be on major system selling software (though that obviously helps) but on providing a steady stream of both first and third party content. Honestly they should be more worried about the West (and WiiU) than Japan.
TonkuySlon
Banned
OT: Where are all the XOne reviews...the thing launches in 7 days. I've only seen COD reviews...no AC no Forza...NOTHING!
What gives?
What gives?
shinra-bansho
Member
I don't think it's too early to talk about a handheld successor from Sony.
Or rather, I don't think it's too early to talk about how there won't be one.
Or rather, I don't think it's too early to talk about how there won't be one.
They've gone through their major franchises. They have Kirby, Yoshi's Island, and Smash as potential biggees next year, so they could be referring to that. (Majora's Mask re-release wouldn't be bad, either.) There's also a chance in the world of DLC to do something crazy like release Mario Kart 7 DLC racing packs and then release a "Mario Kart 7 Complete" for more easy sales without a ton of work. If Luigi's Mansion Wii U turns into a real thing, then we may also be seeing the start of 3DS/Wii U cross-developing after DKC: Returns on 3DS from Wii. Super Mario 3D Land 2 doesn't seem out of the question for 2015, too. There were two (real) Super Mario Lands on GameBoy. Retail compilation of 3DSWare games might warrant release, as well. Already seen Art Academy 3DS from the DSiWare games. Maybe a Pushmo/Crashmo compilation release?
As suggested by MagicPaint, maybe they'll start releasing "lesser known" franchises as well, in order to improve them saleswise: 3DS so far has seen overperformers for lots of Nintendo classic franchises; it could be the right time to bring back some not-so-used-anymore brands.
About other big franchises...people always forget Rhythm Tengoku and I don't know why
(at least in Japan)If we're talking about sequels, I think another Fire Emblem is almost a certainty.
Pie and Beans
Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
Theres so much tech pouring out into the world from Tactus to haptics that would make for an amazing "Gamer Phone" far more nuanced than the PSP Go Xperia that I could see that being the angle. But then they could have done that THIS go around but still havent.
gamergirly
Member
Honestly. 3DS is not iPad
michaelius
Banned
Well Sony would have to pay for outsourcing Bioshock development but if they are doing it for Borderlands 2 then why not Bioshock for 2015.
As for Capcom I still laught when i remember what they did with Re:R and how they got well deserved sales on Wii U
I would not be opposed to buying the game and all the DLC for an Awakening 2 on 3DS.
And I suppose Nintendo would not be opposed at having another 500k seller in Japan and...in the end, Awakening will reach 1,5 millions LTD WW, isn't it? More or less 500k in Japan without counting digital sales, 390k in US (digital + retail) as of two months ago, I think, and the game sold quite well in Europe as well; it should be reachable.
I don't think that would be a wise thing to do. 3DS still got a lot of software, both first and third parties and it's the market leader with ease. I think they should keep doing what they are doing with it. Divert the resources of the wiiu is assuming the console is a failure and letting it die. They don't need to do that yet.
In a couple of years, if the wiiu don't get better...
If they launch another handheld, I would be astonished if it's anything other than an Android device with integrated buttons.
Indeed I don't think there will be one in the traditional sense.
Sony has already acknowledged that dedicated gaming handhelds are dead.
But they can still make a dedicated Android based Playstation mini-tablet with Gaikai and traditional controls.
I've been guessing either late 2015 or late 2016 for quite a while.
A traditional video game system sees its sales peak in the third year, and given that almost all of Nintendo's biggest brands have at least one release along with their relative inability to launch new major franchises on the system, I don't really see the 3DS bucking that trend.
Having more than 2-3 years of declining sales would be insanity for them given the amount of pressure on the system. However, the system is selling okay, so there's not an immediate incentive to move earlier than that. As such, it's the date range that makes the most sense to me.
Does this mean the Wii Fit U bundle sold out?
I think the 3DS has seen its peak and will continue to sell steadily with solid sellers along with a sprinkling of system sellers, until Nintendo replaces it in 2016. There's a pretty big amount of games and sequels Nintendo and third parties can bring.
My concern is how expensive it will be to develop for the 4DS. Japanese devs like(d) the DS/Wii/3DS because they were still cheap to develop for.
Borderlands 2 is a port job though. Unless Bioshock Vita turns into a quick port as well do you really think Sony's going to fund it after ignoring it this long? It's not COD and they didn't even invest for a Declassified sequel.Well Sony would have to pay for outsourcing Bioshock development but if they are doing it for Borderlands 2 then why not Bioshock for 2015.
As for Capcom I still laught when i remember what they did with Re:R and how they got well deserved sales on Wii U
Revelations HD beat it's targets already and we haven't heard anything negative about the Wii U contribution to that. The only thing we've really heard on the Wii U front sales wise from Capcom is that MH3U did pretty well.
prag16
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SM3DW soon at least. After that and the holidays, if it can't establish a higher baseline then it probably never will. January numbers will be critical.
gamergirly
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Super Mario 3D World is Wii U's first flagship title. It needs to sell is an understatement. It won't be in these charts in a couple of years if sales don't pick up by February
Personally, I think it is the right move to keep Vita TV off the west for now. Here is all about next-gen consoles right now and releasing Vita TV anywhere near the holiday period in the west would be worse than not launching at all.
After the next-gen fever is over on Q1 of next year, I think Sony has a much better chance to promote and sell Vita TV successfully here.
As for if there is a demand for Vita TV here, I guess cheaper is always better, especially for those who have PS plus and thus, have already a huge library of Vita games that they would like to play but don't want to go portable or to spend that much on the system. That, along with the Remote Play with PS4 feature, give the Vita TV a quite nice value proposition imo.
Im referring to members putting vita in the hot seat for selling so poorly when the wii u is selling much worse, and after the wii at that. Then have the nerve to complain at my goal post comment when if this were last gen, the 3ds would've been the a "failure". The 3ds would be luck to get psp's numbers after all is said and done. As smokey said, vita is not doing great but it's not going anywhere either. The revisions and vita tv are indicators.
Truth is handhelds are doing poorly in general and if sony or Nintendo wants it to prevail, they need to do something drastic. Pokemon and Mon Hun are not enough to stop or even slow the plunge but atleast what sony is doing with making the vita a companion and stream box could breath new life in the way handhelds are viewed.
These are man tears I am shedding.