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Media Create Sales: Week 48, 2011 (Nov 28 - Dec 04)

Rhod

Member
It needs more than an evolution; it needs a revolution. Aonuma won't do it. He doesn't have the balls. He should never be allowed to play a part in Zelda development again. Same goes for Miyamoto.

Blending 2D sections for puzzles, and 3D sections for the action/fighting, would be blissful I think. SS shows that in terms of dungeon and puzzle design they are at their finest form since LttP, but the medium - the requirement for scripted cameras to show you key places and the 'need' for an adviser to point out things of interest - are inherent problems for the Zelda design in 3D. These should be alleviated by leading the design in 2D, where points of interest can be noted by the player without hand-holding cameras or NPCs, and only using 3D where it is appropriate (because come on, the final battle in SS is one of the greatest game battles of all time).

Due to the strength of the puzzles in SS, I think it would be churlish to suggest it needs a revolution in the development team, but it definitely needs new tools, and the confidence to make it in a format which suits the game design better than a 3D-throughout adventure.

Oh, sorry, M-C thread. Errrm... dat mario legz or something.
 
Gamedatamuseum updated datas for some of the 3DS games.
Combining with the newly officially released ones ( Super Mario 3D Land, MK7's first week), we get this


1 [3DS] Super Mario 3D Land (Nintendo) - 344.698 / 542.842 / 63,50% 03/11/11
2 [3DS] The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time 3D (Nintendo) - 182.998 / 462.126 / 39,60% 16/06/11
3 [3DS] Mario Kart 7 (Nintendo) - 451.932 / 451.932 / 100,00% 29/08/02
4 [3DS] Nintendogs+cats (Nintendo) - 68.973 / 362.958 / 19,00% 26/02/11
5 [3DS] Professor Layton and the Mask of Miracles (Level 5) - 117.589 / 340.477 / 34,54% 26/02/11
6 [3DS] Pokemon Rumble Blast (Nintendo) - 91.613 / 216.161 / 42,38% 11/08/11
7 [3DS] One Piece: Unlimited Cruise SP (Bandai Namco) - 76.578 / 189.857 / 40,33% 26/05/11
8 [3DS] Samurai Warriors: Chronicles (Koei Tecmo) - 43.044 / 144.744 / 29,74% 26/02/11
9 [3DS] Super Street Fighter 3D Edition (Capcom) - 38.557 / 133.142 / 28,96% 26/02/11
10 [3DS] Resident Evil: The Mercenaries 3D (Capcom) - 61.306 / 118.117 / 51,90% 02/06/11
11 [3DS] Tales of the Abyss (Bandai Namco) - 68.218 / 114.439 / 59,61% 30/06/11
12 [3DS] Ridge Racer 3D (Bandai Namco) - 34.663 / 110.415 / 31,39% 26/02/11
13 [3DS] Winning Eleven 3DSoccer (Konami) - 26.222 / 107.274 / 24,44% 26/02/11
14 [3DS] Pilotwings: Resort (Nintendo) - 27.729 / 83.926 / 33,04% 14/04/11
15 [3DS] Star Fox 64 3D (Nintendo) - 36.858 / 75.081 / 49,09% 14/07/11

From Nintendogs to Winning Eleven, we have datas updated to 13/11/11

Very good numbers indeed. I expect Layton reach the 400k bar, and OOT 3D the 500k mark. I wonder what KT is waiting for making a sequel of SW Chronicles.
 
It needs more than an evolution; it needs a revolution. Aonuma won't do it. He doesn't have the balls. He should never be allowed to play a part in Zelda development again. Same goes for Miyamoto.
what does a revolution even mean for Zelda? You want it to not be zelda anymore? You want it to be a first person game? Not sure what constitutes a revolution.
 

BurntPork

Banned
what does a revolution even mean for Zelda? You want it to not be zelda anymore? You want it to be a first person game? Not sure what constitutes a revolution.

At this point, it's obvious that people want more than an improved formula. SS was an evolution. A revolution is Zelda only in name and genre, and that's what it seems most people want.
 

I'm an expert

Formerly worldrevolution. The only reason I am nice to anyone else is to avoid being banned.
At this point, it's obvious that people want more than an improved formula. SS was an evolution. A revolution is Zelda only in name and genre, and that's what it seems most people want.

Honest question, what exactly was SS an evolution of? Other than motion controls?
 

BurntPork

Banned
Honest question, what exactly was SS an evolution of? Other than motion controls?

My definition of "evolution" is to take what's already there and make logical improvements on it. Sadly, that seems to be Aonuma's definition, too. All of the hype about SS being different, and it was just TP all over again. Zelda can't evolve. It needs a reboot.
 
ONly 500k for zelda? It's not far off that now

Yeah, probably more. 600k? Let's see how it can pass these holidays. It was at 5k last appearance in the chart, before 3D Land was out, so it is possible it increased thanks to the hardware bump to an average of 7-8k per week so 500k could have been reached so far.
 

gconsole

Member
Skyward Sword doesn't look appeal to me. I guess this happen to others as well. And I'm the die hard fan who play every hardcore Zelda game. The game play style is starting to be repetative after each game even if it try to change the environment. You will just know this is how Zelda game work.

The time it takes to create is also the problem. The franchise (console one) take like ages to come out. I bought Wii twice, and I sold it to my friend after I finished Darkside Chronicle (The first time I sold the machine to other people was when I finish Umbrella Chronicle LOL). I don't feel the wait for this game because I don't know when will it would release. I even thought that the game try to follow Wiimote control scheme too much and make it feels too non-hardcore just like other Wii game. (To be honest, only Wii game I feel hardcore and is what I want is Mario Galaxy).

I believe the series is in decline. While other Nintendo series can work just fine with its old + new audience. Zelda is the one that find it difficult to fit new audience and also loosing its old fan (like me). The next game must take a lot less time to release and really need the renovation. We bore of Link/Zelda/Garnon stuff. We bore of going Dungeon after dungeon with the same kind puzzle and items. This might also sounds weird, but I think it's time Zelda should adapt to how current hardcore game is present ... voice acting. The game will be a lot more epic and should wow some other people who never play before.

Some fans will refuse what I said. But this is the opinion from someone who play both Nintendo and other non Nintendo game. I know why I like other game and I know why I like Zelda. Too bad the reason why I like Zelda is starting to fade away :(
 
Yeah, probably more. 600k? Let's see how it can pass these holidays. It was at 5k last appearance in the chart, before 3D Land was out, so it is possible it increased thanks to the hardware bump to an average of 7-8k per week so 500k could have been reached so far.

With all the xmas releases I doubt we'll see it in the top 20 any more so it may be a while before we get an update but methinks when we do it'll have sold pretty damn well
 
My definition of "evolution" is to take what's already there and make logical improvements on it. Sadly, that seems to be Aonuma's definition, too. All of the hype about SS being different, and it was just TP all over again. Zelda can't evolve. It needs a reboot.

Did...did you play Skyward Sword?
 
I believe nintendo should stop developing zelda games for a good while now. They can make 5 wii - titles for the funds they used developing zelda ss.

This remains a dreadful, dreadful argument.

As I think I said the last time you argued this (was it over Metroid that time?), Nintendo have a responsibility as platform-holders to make their platform appealing to all types of gamers, and ditching something like Zelda in favour of half-a-dozen Wii X games is an abdication of that responsibility.

They need their "masterpiece" games like Skyward Sword or Mario Galaxy, even if they aren't as successful or as ludicrously profitable as Wii Play or Mario Kart. They need RPGs like Xenoblade, even if it barely breaks even and could have been outsold several times over by Pokemon Whatever.

Nintendo shape a platform with the titles they release, and the third-party titles they support, and if they abandon games of the scope and production of Zelda in favour of a set of party or casual titles what message does that send to third parties and gamers?
 
...exactly. There's been tens of millions of wii's sold between then and now.

And TP was a launch game. There werent many choices available at launch. TP and Wii Sports were the top two choices. You bought a Wii, you probably were going to end up with one of those games...or both.

SS also requires motionplus and that probably hurt sales of the game.

I think it's doing fine, all things considered.
 
Incredible numbers for 3DS and good numbers for PSP, PS3, Wii and SM3DL. Dissapointing numbers for zelda for sure.

lol @ zelda

Maybe Nintendo will actually listen to fans next time.

If we're basing it off of sales in Japan than Phantom Hourglass would be the most succesful Zelda behind OoT.

...exactly. There's been tens of millions of wii's sold between then and now.
Haven't all 'Hardcore' games sold shitty/underperformed this year because the Wii is basically dead.
 

king zell

Member
with the good word on MH3G on the OT i start thinking that the word of mouth may help the game alot for a crazy number maybe?
 
I've had a thought about something that may have hurt zelda's initial sales, it seems the limited edition with the gold remote was sold out (at least on amazon) before release, so perhaps some potential buyers may have wanted that and have held off in the hope they might find it somewhere
 
I think zeldas sales are in large part due to the apathy towards the wii. There is a little bit too much hyperbole in here as it will still go on to sell like 4 million WW so it's not a complete bomb.

I think the next zelda game on the wii U is going to sell very well. I think it's probably the one series that will benefit the most from the HD transition out of all nintendos IP's.

Really good 3DS sales and i'm looking forward to seeing what will happen after the mario, MK and MH combo is in full effect.
 

I'm an expert

Formerly worldrevolution. The only reason I am nice to anyone else is to avoid being banned.
Incredible numbers for 3DS and good numbers for PSP, PS3, Wii and SM3DL. Dissapointing numbers for zelda for sure.



If we're basing it off of sales in Japan than Phantom Hourglass would be the most succesful Zelda behind OoT.


Haven't all 'Hardcore' games sold shitty/underperformed this year because the Wii is basically dead.

I gotz no problemz wit dat! Phantom Hourglass is the only Zelda I have enjoyed this generation.
 

[Nintex]

Member
Zelda SS is a fun game but it doesn't deserve more than this actually. They fixed some elements but they left in some huge flaws and while they nailed the difficulty balance with New Super Mario Bros. Wii with the super guide they totally fucked it up with SS and Fi. Fi should've been optional for new new players that would've saved the game a bit. Other than that, it took 5 years to develop, the enemy variety is questionable, they had to re-use a ton of areas(why?), They put in some needless padding and the only part that wasn't linear had a game breaking bug in it. Zelda has too many cooks, Fujibayashi was director but each area was made by a different team with a different director at the helm. Aonuma was director, planner and supervisor of sorts and finally you had Miyamoto also as some sort of supervisor. It took 5 years to develop but you've really go to wonder what they spend their time on and the 2 years of experimenting that Aonuma talked about is probably code for 'we rebooted the whole thing 2 years in'.
 

BurntPork

Banned
[Nintex];33269061 said:
Zelda SS is a fun game but it doesn't deserve more than this actually. They fixed some elements but they left in some huge flaws and while they nailed the difficulty balance with New Super Mario Bros. Wii with the super guide they totally fucked it up with SS and Fi. Fi should've been optional for new new players that would've saved the game a bit. Other than that, it took 5 years to develop, the enemy variety is questionable, they had to re-use a ton of areas(why?), They put in some needless padding and the only part that wasn't linear had a game breaking bug in it. Zelda has too many cooks, Fujibayashi was director but each area was made by a different team with a different director at the helm. Aonuma was director, planner and supervisor of sorts and finally you had Miyamoto also as some sort of supervisor. It took 5 years to develop but you've really go to wonder what they spend their time on and the 2 years of experimenting that Aonuma talked about is probably code for 'we rebooted the whole thing 2 years in'.

Because of Hyrule. I hope Hyrule is never used again. We need a reboot without it, or every game will be an OoT remake.
 
Congratulations to electroplankton and FINALFANTASYDOG for winning the ranking by units and by points/percentages respectively.
Code:
Results	By Units			By Points	
1	 41276	electroplankton		 67,59%	FINALFANTASYDOG
2 	 50276	Kurosaki Ichigo		 89,53%	electroplankton
3	 50728	FINALFANTASYDOG		108,36%	noobie
4	 72128	Chris1964		109,25%	Alrus
5	 76276	Yeshua			128,80%	Chris1964
6	 79550	zomgbbqffw		133,28%	Kurosaki Ichigo
7	 82888	lunchwithyuzo		134,57%	Road
8	 90359	Alrus			150,48%	distantmantra
9	110788	frankie_baby		162,33%	frankie_baby
10	111276	Orgen			167,36%	lunchwithyuzo
11	112908	matmanx1		168,78%	matmanx1
12	114105	Road			172,92%	Yeshua
13	120288	Mr. Pointy		194,10%	baekshi
14	133932	jesusraz		202,66%	Mr. Pointy
15	137787	airmangataosenai	212,22%	Aru
16	146788	BladeoftheImmortal	219,71%	airmangataosenai
17	164280	baekshi			248,51%	Truth101
18	175788	LOCK			256,96%	zomgbbqffw
19	178038	distantmantra		266,63%	BladeoftheImmortal
20	194912	starship		274,58%	LOCK
21	204182	noobie			278,36%	Kenka
22	205051	Kenka			286,60%	starship
23	208558	BurntPork		305,82%	Orgen
24	219788	Aru			321,38%	jesusraz
25	240883	Mpl90			363,41%	Mpl90
26	243480	Truth101		406,62%	BurntPork

11/28-12/04	Sales	Mpl90	baeks	Chris	Alrus	airma	Burnt	elect	Truth	Yeshu	lunch	jesus	stars	LOCK	matma	Mr. Po	zomgb	noobi	Orgen	Blade	Aru	frank	Kenka	dista	Road	Kuro	FINAL
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WII ItadakiStr	27640	100578	59492	56789	52321	82000	121744	43000	77777	60000	66666	110000	86868	85000	65450	77500	94000	35500	92000	86000	66000	61000	73000	45000	55555	52000	42531
PS3 Gundam VS	349756	267011	279395	345678	320123	285000	274411	360000	525555	350000	333333	350000	343434	250000	310145	330000	349000	265000	361000	340000	284000	293000	272000	390000	288888	357000	365312
PS3 AC:Revelat.	39947	64536	59394	45678	41258	39999	55554	52000	45555	60000	33333	35000	57575	55000	45365	42000	46000	27000	67000	55000	52000	49000	72000	61000	44444	57000	41921
									
Difference	0	240883	164280	72128	90359	137787	208558	41276	243480	76276	82888	133932	194912	175788	112908	120288	79550	204182	111276	146788	219788	110788	205051	178038	114105	50276	50728
									
Difference (%)	0,00%	363,41%	194,10%	128,80%	109,25%	219,71%	406,62%	89,53%	248,51%	172,92%	167,36%	321,38%	286,60%	274,58%	168,78%	202,66%	256,96%	108,36%	305,82%	266,63%	212,22%	162,33%	278,36%	150,48%	134,57%	133,28%	67,59%
									
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WII ItadakiStr	0	72938	31852	29149	24681	54360	94104	15360	50137	32360	39026	82360	59228	57360	37810	49860	66360	7860	64360	58360	38360	33360	45360	17360	27915	24360	14891
PS3 Gundam VS	0	-82745	-70361	-4078	-29633	-64756	-75345	10244	175799	244	-16423	244	-6322	-99756	-39611	-19756	-756	-84756	11244	-9756	-65756	-56756	-77756	40244	-60868	7244	15556
PS3 AC:Revelat.	0	24589	19447	5731	1311	52	15607	12053	5608	20053	-6614	-4947	17628	15053	5418	2053	6053	-12947	27053	15053	12053	9053	32053	21053	4497	17053	1974
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Instro

Member
On a side note, where does the 5 year figure come from in regards to the dev time? I remember Miyamoto saying at E3 2008 they had only just started work on the game.
 

udivision

Member
We're talking about Japan. You mean ten of millions. Singular.

Eitherway, "selling as well as TP" isn't something to triumph, but I'm betting if WM+ wasn't a factor it would be doing better. I wonder what the sales of the WM+ are.

EDIT: That makes me wonder if we should be looking at the Wii's install base at all. You can't even play the game without the WM+, so that's the limiting reactant in terms of sales.
 

[Nintex]

Member
On a side note, where does the 5 year figure come from in regards to the dev time? I remember Miyamoto saying at E3 2008 they had only just started work on the game.

When Miyamoto showed it at the Japanese 3DS event he said it took 5 years and 100 developers to make and it was 50-100 hours long. He later said to Famitsu that 2 out of those 5 years were mostly used for experiments so they didn't really count and they spend 3 years on the game.
 

Vinci

Danish
I think zeldas sales are in large part due to the apathy towards the wii. There is a little bit too much hyperbole in here as it will still go on to sell like 4 million WW so it's not a complete bomb.

I think the next zelda game on the wii U is going to sell very well. I think it's probably the one series that will benefit the most from the HD transition out of all nintendos IP's.

I agree with this. Unless Nintendo takes a huge backward step in terms of design for it, any Zelda appearing on the Wii-U looking remotely like what they showed in the tech demo is going to turn heads. Frankly, I think the biggest problem for SS is that it appeared late on a platform that many have essentially left for dead - especially in Japan where you've got a new handheld war about to begin.
 

Beth Cyra

Member
Eitherway, "selling as well as TP" isn't something to triumph, but I'm betting if WM+ wasn't a factor it would be doing better. I wonder what the sales of the WM+ are.

EDIT: That makes me wonder if we should be looking at the Wii's install base at all. You can't even play the game without the WM+, so that's the limiting reactant in terms of sales.

Well it depends, having it be as good as TP is a triumph when it comes to world wide given TP did better then both Wind Waker and Majora's Mask. Japan may be different though, likely is if the hand held games sare anything to go by.
 

Erethian

Member
So is there a reason we're talking about the relevance of the current Zelda formula when a handheld remake is going to easily outsell the next main console entry.

Because I think that tells you all you need to know about what they should be doing with Zelda.
 

Gaborn

Member
I think there is too much panic with Zelda. Even if it's not supply constrained (and I did not honestly see whether it was or it wasn't) I could easily see gamers simply, faced with Zelda, Mario, AND Mario Kart choosing the latter two right now. I mean, how strong is the Japanese economy? I know it's the holidays but with 3 big holiday games + Monster Hunter about to drop it's not surprising that at least one game would suffer some from cannibalized sales. I'm not saying Zelda's drop is not disappointing but I think the level of concern is too high.
 

BurntPork

Banned
Congratulations to electroplankton and FINALFANTASYDOG for winning the ranking by units and by points/percentages respectively.
Code:
Results	By Units			By Points	
1	 41276	electroplankton		 67,59%	FINALFANTASYDOG
2 	 50276	Kurosaki Ichigo		 89,53%	electroplankton
3	 50728	FINALFANTASYDOG		108,36%	noobie
4	 72128	Chris1964		109,25%	Alrus
5	 76276	Yeshua			128,80%	Chris1964
6	 79550	zomgbbqffw		133,28%	Kurosaki Ichigo
7	 82888	lunchwithyuzo		134,57%	Road
8	 90359	Alrus			150,48%	distantmantra
9	110788	frankie_baby		162,33%	frankie_baby
10	111276	Orgen			167,36%	lunchwithyuzo
11	112908	matmanx1		168,78%	matmanx1
12	114105	Road			172,92%	Yeshua
13	120288	Mr. Pointy		194,10%	baekshi
14	133932	jesusraz		202,66%	Mr. Pointy
15	137787	airmangataosenai	212,22%	Aru
16	146788	BladeoftheImmortal	219,71%	airmangataosenai
17	164280	baekshi			248,51%	Truth101
18	175788	LOCK			256,96%	zomgbbqffw
19	178038	distantmantra		266,63%	BladeoftheImmortal
20	194912	starship		274,58%	LOCK
21	204182	noobie			278,36%	Kenka
22	205051	Kenka			286,60%	starship
23	208558	BurntPork		305,82%	Orgen
24	219788	Aru			321,38%	jesusraz
25	240883	Mpl90			363,41%	Mpl90
26	243480	Truth101		406,62%	BurntPork

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WII ItadakiStr	27640	100578	59492	56789	52321	82000	121744	43000	77777	60000	66666	110000	86868	85000	65450	77500	94000	35500	92000	86000	66000	61000	73000	45000	55555	52000	42531
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Difference	0	240883	164280	72128	90359	137787	208558	41276	243480	76276	82888	133932	194912	175788	112908	120288	79550	204182	111276	146788	219788	110788	205051	178038	114105	50276	50728
									
Difference (%)	0,00%	363,41%	194,10%	128,80%	109,25%	219,71%	406,62%	89,53%	248,51%	172,92%	167,36%	321,38%	286,60%	274,58%	168,78%	202,66%	256,96%	108,36%	305,82%	266,63%	212,22%	162,33%	278,36%	150,48%	134,57%	133,28%	67,59%
									
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WII ItadakiStr	0	72938	31852	29149	24681	54360	94104	15360	50137	32360	39026	82360	59228	57360	37810	49860	66360	7860	64360	58360	38360	33360	45360	17360	27915	24360	14891
PS3 Gundam VS	0	-82745	-70361	-4078	-29633	-64756	-75345	10244	175799	244	-16423	244	-6322	-99756	-39611	-19756	-756	-84756	11244	-9756	-65756	-56756	-77756	40244	-60868	7244	15556
PS3 AC:Revelat.	0	24589	19447	5731	1311	52	15607	12053	5608	20053	-6614	-4947	17628	15053	5418	2053	6053	-12947	27053	15053	12053	9053	32053	21053	4497	17053	1974
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DAMMIT WHY DID I GO SO SO HIGH WITH ITADAKI STREET FUUUUUUUUUUUU!!!!!!!!
 

apana

Member
Skyward Sword is amazing. Just cause you think Retro or whoever else might make a great Zelda doesn't mean that Japan would like it more. I think they just aren't interested in these big 3D adventures. Just make a New Legend of Zelda, Retro can work on that considering that they just revived Donkey Kong.
 

watershed

Banned
I wonder how far this thread will go. The last thread was sustained on talk of MHTriG, looks like SS and zelda formula talk are gonna drive this thread.
 

Shikamaru Ninja

任天堂 の 忍者
It is time to let Retro develop Zelda

What fantasy world is this where Retro can magically step into a foreign universe and create the end all. What is the last Retro game that won game of the year? That was revolutionary? They are a good developer but there are tons of good developers and several with much more ambitious track records in the last 10 years. Some of the questionable aspects of Zelda, do not necessarily change if Retro is the developer. You think Retro could take the Zelda ip and do as they please? Voice acting? Steam punk?Blood? Boobs? Nope. They would deal with the same bottlenecks the Zelda development team deals with in Japan from the old executive guard (Miyamoto).

You would get a smaller development team with less experience developing a Zelda game. You would probably get something that plays like Darksiders without the M rating and without the voice acting. There is your Retro Zelda.

This game took five years to develop

Including extremely primitive planning and shared technology from motion plus. But all of the team members have been involved in multiple Zelda games since 2006. Most have been involved in 2-3 Zeldas between 2006 and 2011. There was no dedicated staff working on this game ALONE for 5 years.
 

BurntPork

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I still have no clue what it is that makes everyone think that Retro should make a Zelda game. Is there a real reason, is it that Shiek game rumor, or is it just that you guys thank that everything Retro touches is gold? And for the love of god please tell me it's not about graphics.
 
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