It needs more than an evolution; it needs a revolution. Aonuma won't do it. He doesn't have the balls. He should never be allowed to play a part in Zelda development again. Same goes for Miyamoto.
I think it's time to let Retro take a shot at Zelda.
I'm maybe the only one with this opinion but Zelda need voicting acting in Japan.
Gamedatamuseum updated datas for some of the 3DS games.
Combining with the newly officially released ones ( Super Mario 3D Land, MK7's first week), we get this
1 [3DS] Super Mario 3D Land (Nintendo) - 344.698 / 542.842 / 63,50% 03/11/11
2 [3DS] The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time 3D (Nintendo) - 182.998 / 462.126 / 39,60% 16/06/11
3 [3DS] Mario Kart 7 (Nintendo) - 451.932 / 451.932 / 100,00% 29/08/02
4 [3DS] Nintendogs+cats (Nintendo) - 68.973 / 362.958 / 19,00% 26/02/11
5 [3DS] Professor Layton and the Mask of Miracles (Level 5) - 117.589 / 340.477 / 34,54% 26/02/11
6 [3DS] Pokemon Rumble Blast (Nintendo) - 91.613 / 216.161 / 42,38% 11/08/11
7 [3DS] One Piece: Unlimited Cruise SP (Bandai Namco) - 76.578 / 189.857 / 40,33% 26/05/11
8 [3DS] Samurai Warriors: Chronicles (Koei Tecmo) - 43.044 / 144.744 / 29,74% 26/02/11
9 [3DS] Super Street Fighter 3D Edition (Capcom) - 38.557 / 133.142 / 28,96% 26/02/11
10 [3DS] Resident Evil: The Mercenaries 3D (Capcom) - 61.306 / 118.117 / 51,90% 02/06/11
11 [3DS] Tales of the Abyss (Bandai Namco) - 68.218 / 114.439 / 59,61% 30/06/11
12 [3DS] Ridge Racer 3D (Bandai Namco) - 34.663 / 110.415 / 31,39% 26/02/11
13 [3DS] Winning Eleven 3DSoccer (Konami) - 26.222 / 107.274 / 24,44% 26/02/11
14 [3DS] Pilotwings: Resort (Nintendo) - 27.729 / 83.926 / 33,04% 14/04/11
15 [3DS] Star Fox 64 3D (Nintendo) - 36.858 / 75.081 / 49,09% 14/07/11
From Nintendogs to Winning Eleven, we have datas updated to 13/11/11
what does a revolution even mean for Zelda? You want it to not be zelda anymore? You want it to be a first person game? Not sure what constitutes a revolution.It needs more than an evolution; it needs a revolution. Aonuma won't do it. He doesn't have the balls. He should never be allowed to play a part in Zelda development again. Same goes for Miyamoto.
what does a revolution even mean for Zelda? You want it to not be zelda anymore? You want it to be a first person game? Not sure what constitutes a revolution.
At this point, it's obvious that people want more than an improved formula. SS was an evolution. A revolution is Zelda only in name and genre, and that's what it seems most people want.
Very good numbers indeed. I expect Layton reach the 400k bar, and OOT 3D the 500k mark. I wonder what KT is waiting for making a sequel of SW Chronicles.
Honest question, what exactly was SS an evolution of? Other than motion controls?
ONly 500k for zelda? It's not far off that now
Yeah, probably more. 600k? Let's see how it can pass these holidays. It was at 5k last appearance in the chart, before 3D Land was out, so it is possible it increased thanks to the hardware bump to an average of 7-8k per week so 500k could have been reached so far.
I think it's time to let Retro take a shot at Zelda.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=CQ25kTQqppk#t=105sIt needs more than an evolution; it needs a revolution.
My definition of "evolution" is to take what's already there and make logical improvements on it. Sadly, that seems to be Aonuma's definition, too. All of the hype about SS being different, and it was just TP all over again. Zelda can't evolve. It needs a reboot.
I believe nintendo should stop developing zelda games for a good while now. They can make 5 wii - titles for the funds they used developing zelda ss.
Whats with the doom and gloom on Zelda? Its selling on par with TP.
...exactly. There's been tens of millions of wii's sold between then and now.
...exactly. There's been tens of millions of wii's sold between then and now.
lol @ zelda
Maybe Nintendo will actually listen to fans next time.
Haven't all 'Hardcore' games sold shitty/underperformed this year because the Wii is basically dead....exactly. There's been tens of millions of wii's sold between then and now.
...exactly. There's been tens of millions of wii's sold between then and now.
but then it would be ugly as fuck
So then 0 sales in Japan?
Incredible numbers for 3DS and good numbers for PSP, PS3, Wii and SM3DL. Dissapointing numbers for zelda for sure.
If we're basing it off of sales in Japan than Phantom Hourglass would be the most succesful Zelda behind OoT.
Haven't all 'Hardcore' games sold shitty/underperformed this year because the Wii is basically dead.
[Nintex];33269061 said:Zelda SS is a fun game but it doesn't deserve more than this actually. They fixed some elements but they left in some huge flaws and while they nailed the difficulty balance with New Super Mario Bros. Wii with the super guide they totally fucked it up with SS and Fi. Fi should've been optional for new new players that would've saved the game a bit. Other than that, it took 5 years to develop, the enemy variety is questionable, they had to re-use a ton of areas(why?), They put in some needless padding and the only part that wasn't linear had a game breaking bug in it. Zelda has too many cooks, Fujibayashi was director but each area was made by a different team with a different director at the helm. Aonuma was director, planner and supervisor of sorts and finally you had Miyamoto also as some sort of supervisor. It took 5 years to develop but you've really go to wonder what they spend their time on and the 2 years of experimenting that Aonuma talked about is probably code for 'we rebooted the whole thing 2 years in'.
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20 194912 starship 274,58% LOCK
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25 240883 Mpl90 363,41% Mpl90
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We're talking about Japan. You mean ten of millions. Singular.
On a side note, where does the 5 year figure come from in regards to the dev time? I remember Miyamoto saying at E3 2008 they had only just started work on the game.
Did Prime sell tons in Japan?I think it's time to let Retro take a shot at Zelda.
I think zeldas sales are in large part due to the apathy towards the wii. There is a little bit too much hyperbole in here as it will still go on to sell like 4 million WW so it's not a complete bomb.
I think the next zelda game on the wii U is going to sell very well. I think it's probably the one series that will benefit the most from the HD transition out of all nintendos IP's.
Eitherway, "selling as well as TP" isn't something to triumph, but I'm betting if WM+ wasn't a factor it would be doing better. I wonder what the sales of the WM+ are.
EDIT: That makes me wonder if we should be looking at the Wii's install base at all. You can't even play the game without the WM+, so that's the limiting reactant in terms of sales.
I agree with this as well. Not saying it's the one reason, but I think it's a decently big one, or one worth mentioning.I think zeldas sales are in large part due to the apathy towards the wii.
Did Prime sell tons in Japan?
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It is time to let Retro develop Zelda
This game took five years to develop
Weren't people in last weeks thread predicting the 3DS would sell 400K units this week? Or was that a prediction for the entire month?