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Media Create Sales: Week 7, 2012 (Feb 13 - Feb 19)
- Thread starter Chris1964
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hardcastlemccormick
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Hey, I'll have some tact, when the companies show me some tact and start considering the cost of their product when they make it instead of thinking they can chanrge whatever they want. Nintendo learned a hard lesson, now Sony is (again really.) They'll get all the tact, handshakes, and salutations in the world from me when they start learning $250-$300 isn't rock bottom pricing.
Well, they think they can charge whatever they want because they can. What becomes feasible is another matter. But you're acting like this is some personal (or consumer) slight that we need to broadcast across GAF thread titles. We really don't. The sales speak for themselves.
Never forget those we lost to the Japanese failure of the Xbox 360. May they rest in peace.
Niche games like this are probably much less likely than most to sell in rations proportionate to hardware userbases.
Why would a smaller install base automatically result in lower sales? It totally depends on the software. There are many types of games where the appeal is limited to certain audiences, and there won't be much meaningful sales beyond that audience. The overall user base of a platform is not spread evenly. If the majority or all of that audience already owns the platform, then a game of that type released on the platform would see almost maximum potential sales. It doesn't matter if the user base at that point is 2 million, or 5 million, or 30 million. If all 100k of the people who would be willing to spend 60 dollars on that game are already on the platform, and there aren't many others interested in that game, the size of the user base isn't very meaningful.
Ahah patient indeed.
Only a well publicized in advance price cut could do that to get it in a relative short time.
TheNatural
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I don't think it's a slight, it's just more like the Eddie Murphy Ice Cream bit after what happens when the kid brags about his ice cream.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwQGcsQjTJY
Yes. However you previously said it felt like Vita was settling, which doesn't really fit with a continuing downward trend.
Chris23235
Banned
True, but this would mean, that the 3DS maxed out the potential for a title like Love Plus in a very short time, or in other words, managed to attract in 12 months almost as much potential Love Plus+ buyers, then the DS managed to attract in almost 5 years. This would be awesome, but I am sceptical, even more, when I see, that Love Plus+ had more then twice the first week sales, of what Love Plus had (119k vs. 48k), but in the end sold not nearly as good, as the original Love Plus (188k vs. 244k).
Well, it just launched. Remember how hyped the Vita appeared to be in Japan back in November? We'll have to wait and see how it plays out in terms of sales.
frankie_baby
Member
Are you saying the interest is bad in japan or good in America, lmao
OrangeGrayBlue
Member
I think it will probably do better here, but when compared to it's situation in Japan that isn't saying much. This month's NPD will be very interesting. And March's will be even more so since we'll get a glimpse of how the Vita's sales will even out after the launch hype.
I think you're missing the more obvious and more likely scenario here:
- Love Plus came out as a brand new game that no one really knew much about, it sells 48k in the first week.
- As word of mouth grows, the game continues to sell, and builds up a loyal fan base of about 200k.
- They release the follow up, and this time everyone already knows what the series is about, so the hardcore fanbase of about ~100k users rush to buy it in the first week.
- Lifetime sales will indicate that a portion of the people who played the original did not opt to buy the the follow up, either because they didn't feel the need for another similar game, or they didn't like the original enough after playing it.
- Eventually they announce a new Love Plus for the 3DS, and fans get excited. Some fans buy a 3DS in advance because there are other 3DS games they are interested in, others decide to wait for the release of New Love Plus before picking up a 3DS.
- New Love Plus is released, and the ~100k loyal hardcore fans rush to buy the game in the first week. Some already have a 3DS, others are picking up a 3DS along with the game.
This is extremely common with core games which don't have a strong broad appeal.
Interest is high on GAF, but that's about it. To the general public it's a whaaaa? or they think it's a Taco Bell happy meal toss-in. Zero mindshare.
Sales of the original Love Plus is the anomaly here. In normal situations dating sims follow the standard "super high 1st week / dead sales thereafter" model, and this is exacerbated by retailers pushing customers to buy day1 with exclusive cards/pictures/whatever. For something like LP, or say, the first idolmaster on the 360, word of mouth ends up being the driving force and therefore unit sales rise accordingly.
Congratulations to Cygnus X-1 for winning by both units and percentage!
Code:
BY UNITS BY PERCENTAGE
1 22,598 Cygnus X-1 1 75.4% Cygnus X-1
2 30,821 Road 2 95.0% Chris1964
3 33,018 Chris1964 3 116.7% Kenka
4 33,578 discocaine 4 125.8% Road
5 37,959 Sadist 5 130.8% Weskerlover
6 40,240 Bruno MB 6 138.4% Yeshua
7 41,034 Anastacio 7 145.4% LOCK
8 46,862 Kenka 8 146.3% Sadist
9 47,660 Data Elemental 9 151.4% Anastacio
10 52,156 Weskerlover 10 156.0% discocaine
11 54,640 electroplankton 11 158.7% Data Elemental
12 55,248 eBay Huckster 12 161.4% Nekki
13 60,524 Yeshua 13 165.3% eBay Huckster
14 60,614 Nekki 14 171.9% Mpl90
15 61,640 MasterSheen 15 181.3% DCharlie
16 64,138 DCharlie 16 183.1% Bruno MB
17 67,075 Mpl90 17 186.1% MasterSheen
18 67,276 LOCK 18 227.6% The_lascar
19 67,278 Super Smash Bro * 19 245.7% Super Smash Bro *
20 77,198 Aostia 20 250.7% electroplankton
21 106,022 ULTROS! 21 290.2% TyRaNtM
22 106,172 Orgen 22 326.1% ULTROS!
23 108,660 The_lascar 23 357.6% Gianni Merryman
24 147,217 lunchwithyuzo 24 390.5% Orgen
25 147,244 TyRaNtM 25 411.6% Aostia
26 162,614 Gianni Merryman 26 448.4% lunchwithyuzo
0 71,110 Thoraxes DL 0 264.7% Thoraxes DL
0 183,890 donny2112 ** 0 509.6% donny2112 **
*Assumed 0 for [PSV] Kyokugen Dasshutsu ADV.
**Only predicted for [3DS] New Love Plus, assumed 0 for everything else.
DL: Missed the deadline.
M-Create lunchwit electrop Bruno MB Anastaci Aostia Sadist Weskerlo TyRaNtM Orgen Chris196 eBay Huc Yeshua MasterSh LOCK donny211 Gianni M Cygnus X DCharlie Data Ele Kenka Road discocai Nekki Super Sm ULTROS! Mpl90 The_lasc Thoraxes
[3DS] New Love Plus 104969 123456 115000 106000 114321 107000 111111 120000 139999 118000 123456 125000 135000 117000 135000 115000 230000 100000 102000 125000 120000 99999 104000 115000 75000 60000 73420 180000 85000
[PS3] Binary Domain 73683 156789 67000 69000 68687 82000 83200 90000 149999 127000 78901 90000 80000 66000 50000 0 70000 80000 46000 90000 90000 77777 65000 50000 65000 100000 80210 90000 96000
[3DS] Theatrhythm Final Fantasy 67206 89012 55000 45000 51069 59000 76500 80001 89999 81000 65432 70000 50000 45000 60000 0 80000 60000 42000 65000 75000 55555 60000 80000 55000 50500 51101 65000 75000
[PSP] Samurai Warriors 3 Z Special 17125 23456 35000 19000 21229 71000 24700 22000 21999 22000 12345 28000 14000 35000 15000 0 22000 18000 15000 18000 21000 22222 30000 28000 21000 20000 23340 25000 23000
[3DS] Kyokugen Dasshutsu ADV 9307 13456 7000 3150 6918 9000 12300 9561 16999 24000 8765 14500 9000 9000 10000 0 23000 10000 10000 13000 6500 11111 9000 12000 3300 15000 15781 15000 23000
[PSV] Kyokugen Dasshutsu ADV 6538 19876 1000 2250 2482 11000 4100 3654 5999 13000 4321 6500 3000 5000 3000 0 4000 4000 12000 2000 5500 3333 3000 6000 0 16000 6333 5000 8000
Difference:
[3DS] New Love Plus 0 18487 10031 1031 9352 2031 6142 15031 35030 13031 18487 20031 30031 12031 30031 10031 125031 -4969 -2969 20031 15031 -4970 -969 10031 -29969 -44969 -31549 75031 -19969
[PS3] Binary Domain 0 83106 -6683 -4683 -4996 8317 9517 16317 76316 53317 5218 16317 6317 -7683 -23683 -73683 -3683 6317 -27683 16317 16317 4094 -8683 -23683 -8683 26317 6527 16317 22317
[3DS] Theatrhythm Final Fantasy 0 21806 -12206 -22206 -16137 -8206 9294 12795 22793 13794 -1774 2794 -17206 -22206 -7206 -67206 12794 -7206 -25206 -2206 7794 -11651 12875 10875 3875 2875 6215 7875 5875
[PSP] Samurai Warriors 3 Z Special 0 6331 17875 1875 4104 53875 7575 4875 4874 4875 -4780 10875 -3125 17875 -2125 -17125 4875 875 -2125 875 3875 5097 -7206 12794 -12206 -16706 -16105 -2206 7794
[3DS] Kyokugen Dasshutsu ADV 0 4149 -2307 -6157 -2389 -307 2993 254 7692 14693 -542 5193 -307 -307 693 -9307 13693 693 693 3693 -2807 1804 -307 2693 -6007 5693 6474 5693 13693
[PSV] Kyokugen Dasshutsu ADV 0 13338 -5538 -4288 -4056 4462 -2438 -2884 -539 6462 -2217 -38 -3538 -1538 -3538 -6538 -2538 -2538 5462 -4538 -1038 -3205 -3538 -538 -6538 9462 -205 -1538 1462
Statistics:
M-Create AVERAGE MIN MAX OVER UNDER CLOSEST BY
[3DS] New Love Plus 104,969 116,956 60,000 230,000 71% 29% 104,000 discocaine
[PS3] Binary Domain 73,683 83,650 46,000 156,789 61% 39% 70,000 Gianni Merryman
[3DS] Theatrhythm Final Fantasy 67,206 64,117 42,000 89,999 36% 64% 65,432 Chris1964
[PSP] Samurai Warriors 3 Z Special 17,125 24,122 12,345 71,000 82% 18% 18,000 Cygnus X-1
[3DS] Kyokugen Dasshutsu ADV 9,307 11,864 3,150 24,000 61% 39% 9,561 Weskerlover
[PSV] Kyokugen Dasshutsu ADV 6,538 6,167 1,000 19,876 21% 79% 6,500 eBay Huckster
What if?
Excluding "Kyokugen Dasshutsu ADV"
BY UNITS BY PERCENTAGE
1 19,367 Cygnus X-1 1 29.1% Cygnus X-1
2 25,812 Road 2 49.6% Data Elemental
3 29,733 discocaine 3 51.3% Bruno MB
4 29,795 Bruno MB 4 55.2% Chris1964
5 30,259 Chris1964 5 57.4% Road
Only "Kyokugen Dasshutsu ADV"
BY UNITS BY PERCENTAGE
1 1,845 MasterSheen 1 26.80% MasterSheen
2 2,759 Chris1964 2 37.20% Nekki
3 3,138 Weskerlover 3 39.70% Chris1964
4 3,231 Cygnus X-1 4 46.00% Kenka
4 3,231 Nekki 5 46.30% Cygnus X-1No, that week is exactly what I was asking for.
I was wondering whether the price-drop impacted sales were still higher than Vita's are, and it looks like they were for the first week although the second is much lower right now.
Yes, but the real question is when that overall downtrend will level out. It can't go down for ever.
frankie_baby
Member
The question now is will vita manage to stay above that week
test_account
XP-39C²
I dont think that a 12% drop is big, especially when we only talk about one week. But when we talk about quite low numbers to begin with, a 12% drop (or increase for that matter) can almost be statistical noise.
nintendors
Member
WOW @ 3DS HW and SW !! Go Iwata-San ^_^,,
Anyone who thinks Vita needs a price cut is insane,,,,IT NEEDS GAMES !!! THAT'S IT
next TGS is gonna be sponsored by Vita ,,until then Vita is gonna hover around 10K
Anyone who thinks Vita needs a price cut is insane,,,,IT NEEDS GAMES !!! THAT'S IT
next TGS is gonna be sponsored by Vita ,,until then Vita is gonna hover around 10K
twothunder
Member
I believe it's been about ten weeks since the Vita launched.
Does anyone have the Media Create numbers for the first ten weeks of the 3DS ,PSP and Vita to compare them? I wonder how big the gap between the hardware is.
Does anyone have the Media Create numbers for the first ten weeks of the 3DS ,PSP and Vita to compare them? I wonder how big the gap between the hardware is.
Byakuya769
Member
So the explosion in 3ds sales is only because of games and not the price drop?
Skiesofwonder
Walruses, camels, bears, rabbits, tigers and badgers.
It has a huge interactive banner on ESPN.com (along with sponsoring shows/games), and commercials have picked up now that it is out in stores. I'm not saying that will matter, but it is being advertised now (outside the Taco Bell promotion).
nintendors
Member
Price drop helped alot,,but imo that was a move made by Nintendo to keep the momentum going until big games released ,,,Sony can do alot of PSN services and keep that price tag till the games start coming (which I believe would be announced/start coming by TGS Sept)
Wonder how many people will not notice this ad because of adblock.
Much bigger games like MGS4 and FFXIII were able to sell almost on par with their predecessors even with a pityful PS3 userbase
MGS3 first week 487,156
MGS4 first week 476,334
PS3 installbase ~2M
FFXII first week 1,840,397
FFXIII first week 1,516,532
PS3 installbase ~4.5M
Most games have a limited audience and if they're enthusiastic enough they'll make sure to own the platform where the game is released.
Cosmo Clock 21
Banned
TheNatural
My Member!
You think the majority of people care what an ad banner says period, especially to influence spending $250 or more?
Marketing doesn't cure all.
Speaking of which, this week is only the second time the 360 has gone under 1k, the other time being the week of 2006-09-11 with 928 units.
Chris23235
Banned
Maybe you are right, but as long, as the 3DS explosion is this fresh, I am sceptical, if it can continue at such pace, even if I would love to see the 3DS performing as crazy as the DS did.
I am not sure, if I would put Love Plus in the usual dating sims category, as I think it is a bigger title, then your usual dating sim, but I don't know enough about the overall performance of dating sims to say that for sure, I would just guess most of them don't sell 250k and most of them aren't from big companies like Konami. But again, maybe I am totally wrong here.
Here's a good example of why user base doesn't really mean much in established franchises targeting a core gamer base:
(Famitsu numbers, since we don't have Media Create numbers for that far back)
Metal Gear Solid 1 (Sept 1998) - PS1 userbase in Japan: ~13 million, First week sales: 316,833
Metal Gear Solid 2 (Nov 2001) - PS2 userbase Japan: ~7 million, First week sales: 456,747
Metal Gear Solid 3 (Dec 2004) - PS2 userbase in Japan: ~19 million, First week sales: 487,156
Metal Gear Solid 4 (June 2008) - PS3 userbase in Japan: ~2 million, First week sales: 476,334
Metal Gear Solid PW (Apr 2010) - PSP userbase in Japan: ~14 million, First week sales: 446,133
I think the numbers speak for themselves.
(Famitsu numbers, since we don't have Media Create numbers for that far back)
Metal Gear Solid 1 (Sept 1998) - PS1 userbase in Japan: ~13 million, First week sales: 316,833
Metal Gear Solid 2 (Nov 2001) - PS2 userbase Japan: ~7 million, First week sales: 456,747
Metal Gear Solid 3 (Dec 2004) - PS2 userbase in Japan: ~19 million, First week sales: 487,156
Metal Gear Solid 4 (June 2008) - PS3 userbase in Japan: ~2 million, First week sales: 476,334
Metal Gear Solid PW (Apr 2010) - PSP userbase in Japan: ~14 million, First week sales: 446,133
I think the numbers speak for themselves.
Duxxy3
Member
I'm going by interest on gaf and my local store. I was surprised to find out that they had more pre-orders than they have systems. It's pretty rare for that place.
With the 3DS launch there were many many extra's at launch for the same store.
bigtroyjon
Member
Nintendo shipped 1.3 million 3DS to the Americas for the launch and the US makes up a big part of that. That kind of comparison doesn't tell us a whole lot without knowing how many Vita's they are shipping but it's a pretty safe bet it's going to be a lot less than what Nintendo put out there.
Impossible to say for certain, but at the very least what we do know that having games is a key factor. The 3DS did not gain much ground in sales after the price drop. Things only kicked into gear around November. We'll never know whether it would have sold as well if the price hadn't changed in the summer.
JoshuaJSlone
Member
It was pretty much the biggest non-Smash fighter until SFIV.
Looking at it in total, here's what I've got from Famitsu. Of course, a year versus two months is a pretty big factor in this too.ULTROS! said:
Chris23235
Banned
Interesting numbers, you are right, first week sales say nothing about the overall performance of a title, to much other factors are influencing these sales and it seems, that a title like MGS has reached it's first week potential with it's 2nd incarnation. It would be interesting to compare the overall sales for these titles to see how they did in the end and to see how much first week potential tells about how the title does in the end.
Let's wait and see, how New Love Plus performs in the end.
It would be awesome, if it would reach the numbers of Love Plus+.
3DS wins... Nice love+ and theatrhytm sales (given it's shipment numbers) and FANTASTIC hardware sales.
March should be gigantic as well, I see Kingdom Hearts selling monstrous numbers, hopefully RE will stabilize around these weekly numbers and join the holy trinity as a consistent member of the top 15-20 sales weekly.
Sad to see Vita dying before our eyes, it looks like it may be jossling with the Wii for weekly sales soon, with nothing on the horizon to turn it around (for now).
March should be gigantic as well, I see Kingdom Hearts selling monstrous numbers, hopefully RE will stabilize around these weekly numbers and join the holy trinity as a consistent member of the top 15-20 sales weekly.
Sad to see Vita dying before our eyes, it looks like it may be jossling with the Wii for weekly sales soon, with nothing on the horizon to turn it around (for now).
The majority of people don't know that the Vita exists.
Father_Brain
Banned
If it fares poorly in its first worldwide holiday season, and there are no system-sellers in sight for 2013 at that point, I don't think it's inconceivable that investors could pressure Sony to pull a Dreamcast-style exit from the handheld business sometime in 2014, or possibly even next year.
Not likely, mind you, just not inconceivable.
snowdog1971
Banned
Bloody hell, 10 out of the top twenty are 3DS titles and 7 of those are from third parties. Think we'll get a Vita Monster Hunter of some description announced at GDC, Sony need at least 1 of the big 3 to turn things around. And I can't see the Vita doing a great deal better over here in the West with the price of the console and storage. /
/It's actually had banner placement on ESPN.com for quite awhile, roughly since the OS interface was first unveiled.
I suppose sales will tell. I'm expecting a niche performance in the US (maybe Game Gear?), but we'll see.
March is a good month, the 3DS might not look so bad next to the DS in 2006:
3DS is missing the latest weekly sales.
Week 9: DS Lite was released.
OrangeGrayBlue
Member
frankie_baby
Member
Bloody hell, 10 out of the top twenty are 3DS titles and 7 of those are from third parties. Think we'll get a Vita Monster Hunter of some description announced at GDC, Sony need at least 1 of the big 3 to turn things around. And I can't see the Vita doing a great deal better over here in the West with the price of the console and storage.
Vita? Monster hunter? Gdc?
no
TheNatural
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Hype creates itself, you can't manufacture it. Marketing is a supplement, not the entire driving force behind sales. The market has expanded over the years, but this is the least amount of buzz for a new "major" handheld or system I can remember.
OrangeGrayBlue
Member
Update- legend didn't show up on the first chart for some reason, but red is 3DS, green is PSV
I'd wager it's a symptom of the 3DS having less competition when it launched, even though the amount of apathy was probably comparable. So those people who wanted something newfangled picked up a 3DS in March, even though there were no games in particular they wanted. The people who feel that way right now don't need to go to the Vita, they can pick up a 3DS instead and get some highly desirable software as well.
