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Media Create Sales: Week 8, 2014 (Feb 17 - Feb 23)
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Knack?
Psycho_Mantis
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Bruno MB
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Digital Sales - January 2014 (2014.01.06 - 2014.02.02)
01. [PS3] Mobile Suit Gundam Extreme Vs. Full Boost - 10.369 (3,9%)
02. [3DS] Kirby Triple Deluxe - 9.487 (2,3%)
03. [PS3] Diablo III - 5.473 (14,2%)
04. [PSV] Disgaea 4 Return - 5.254 (17,6%)
05. [3DS] Puzzle & Dragons Z - 4.240 (3,8%)
06. [PS3] Sengoku Basara 4 - 3.678 (1,9%)
07. [PSV] Final Fantasy X/X-2 HD Remaster: Twin Pack - 3.616 (10,1%)
08. [3DS] Yo-kai Watch - 3.598 (5,0%)
09. [3DS] The Legend of Zelda: A Link Between Worlds - 3.296 (4,4%)
10. [PS3] Final Fantasy X/X-2 HD Remaster - 2.981 (6,7%)
01. [PS3] Mobile Suit Gundam Extreme Vs. Full Boost - 10.369 (3,9%)
02. [3DS] Kirby Triple Deluxe - 9.487 (2,3%)
03. [PS3] Diablo III - 5.473 (14,2%)
04. [PSV] Disgaea 4 Return - 5.254 (17,6%)
05. [3DS] Puzzle & Dragons Z - 4.240 (3,8%)
06. [PS3] Sengoku Basara 4 - 3.678 (1,9%)
07. [PSV] Final Fantasy X/X-2 HD Remaster: Twin Pack - 3.616 (10,1%)
08. [3DS] Yo-kai Watch - 3.598 (5,0%)
09. [3DS] The Legend of Zelda: A Link Between Worlds - 3.296 (4,4%)
10. [PS3] Final Fantasy X/X-2 HD Remaster - 2.981 (6,7%)
My favourite live action Japanese PVs are from D3 (first two are NSFW):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KuFjg-o8pE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9lzouSyltE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwVnTAs-fN4
because outside of the EDF one, I haven't a clue as to why they were made.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KuFjg-o8pE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9lzouSyltE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwVnTAs-fN4
because outside of the EDF one, I haven't a clue as to why they were made.
lol wtf
The bar for Japanese wacky ads have been raised
I'm okay with this.
It depends on the kind of potential, though.
Remember the 3DS potential when it launched in Japan? It had already lots of first and third party titles announced already, and with many being dated for 2011, and others for 2012. And yet, the console started slowing fast after a great second week (I'd say the massive March '11 Japan disaster had an impact, though, but the sales right after continued dipping, even when the situation went back to normal). Still, it took some time to reach levels lower than good for a just launched console, even much lower in some cases.
What was Vita's potential when it launched? Not that much. It had some games launching after the launch, but low profile sales-wise. But it also had deep problems in mid/big support sales wise, evident problems. And no important first party titles at all, far from it. While 3DS was already getting a Monster Hunter, as well as big first party title. So, sales collapsing already during Holidays.
What was WiiU's potential when it launched? Nintendo first party titles, but, outside of MH and DQ, tragic empty Japanese third party schedule, with something like 10 or less titles for the first six months and nothing important being already known as incoming. Especially with 3DS reducing the borders between home and portable Nintendo environment as no other Nintendo device did before (i.e. ALSO big Nintendo releases, much more comparable to the home releases in kind and scope), that meant good launch, quite decent December, but then collapsing even harder than Vita did.
Now, what's PS4 potential at launch? 2015 (if things go well) should be the year with the three big titles: MGSV, KH3 and FFXV. They will help, for sure, unless sales this year are very, very, veeeeery bad (i.e. around Wii U levels, if not a little lower), but...outside of them? What's the current PS4 potential? First party titles? Sony's current output (outside of a possible Demon's Soul 2) can't have any kind of even minimal impact on hardware sales. Third parties? Again, 2015 has (in theory) 3 big titles, but...where is the rest? Where are the announcements? Since TGS, we've had two PS4 announcements, both from Tecmo Koei, both being late ports. March has MGSV: Ground Zeroes, which is on PS3 as well & it can't be considered so big (even if I have a feeling the PS4 will sell as much as the PS4 one, at launch + the special edition could do something, but it seems to be very limited, correct me if I'm wrong), then FFXIV, which will see a big part of its sales by digital channels, due to the free update programme (like DQX), but then? Basically NOTHING. It shouldn't go on for so much, something has to be announced, but the premises are very bad right now, almost Wii U-like. Again, based on the current announcements pace. Right now, it has the barrenness of Wii U's first year, more or less, and a bit of 3DS's future potential. Strangest mix ever :lol
It's possible it won't go down as fast as Vita, especially considering how stock is going and how Vita had problems in selling its stock since launch (it will go down faster than Wii U only because Wii U was released on December, and that helped in first month sales), but sales should go down soon, and I mean very down. Sony has to make whatever they can in order to have at least "respectable" first year sales (something like 10-15k weekly average outside of Holidays), otherwise there could be important ripercussions on 2015 as well.
Remember the 3DS potential when it launched in Japan? It had already lots of first and third party titles announced already, and with many being dated for 2011, and others for 2012. And yet, the console started slowing fast after a great second week (I'd say the massive March '11 Japan disaster had an impact, though, but the sales right after continued dipping, even when the situation went back to normal). Still, it took some time to reach levels lower than good for a just launched console, even much lower in some cases.
What was Vita's potential when it launched? Not that much. It had some games launching after the launch, but low profile sales-wise. But it also had deep problems in mid/big support sales wise, evident problems. And no important first party titles at all, far from it. While 3DS was already getting a Monster Hunter, as well as big first party title. So, sales collapsing already during Holidays.
What was WiiU's potential when it launched? Nintendo first party titles, but, outside of MH and DQ, tragic empty Japanese third party schedule, with something like 10 or less titles for the first six months and nothing important being already known as incoming. Especially with 3DS reducing the borders between home and portable Nintendo environment as no other Nintendo device did before (i.e. ALSO big Nintendo releases, much more comparable to the home releases in kind and scope), that meant good launch, quite decent December, but then collapsing even harder than Vita did.
Now, what's PS4 potential at launch? 2015 (if things go well) should be the year with the three big titles: MGSV, KH3 and FFXV. They will help, for sure, unless sales this year are very, very, veeeeery bad (i.e. around Wii U levels, if not a little lower), but...outside of them? What's the current PS4 potential? First party titles? Sony's current output (outside of a possible Demon's Soul 2) can't have any kind of even minimal impact on hardware sales. Third parties? Again, 2015 has (in theory) 3 big titles, but...where is the rest? Where are the announcements? Since TGS, we've had two PS4 announcements, both from Tecmo Koei, both being late ports. March has MGSV: Ground Zeroes, which is on PS3 as well & it can't be considered so big (even if I have a feeling the PS4 will sell as much as the PS4 one, at launch + the special edition could do something, but it seems to be very limited, correct me if I'm wrong), then FFXIV, which will see a big part of its sales by digital channels, due to the free update programme (like DQX), but then? Basically NOTHING. It shouldn't go on for so much, something has to be announced, but the premises are very bad right now, almost Wii U-like. Again, based on the current announcements pace. Right now, it has the barrenness of Wii U's first year, more or less, and a bit of 3DS's future potential. Strangest mix ever :lol
It's possible it won't go down as fast as Vita, especially considering how stock is going and how Vita had problems in selling its stock since launch (it will go down faster than Wii U only because Wii U was released on December, and that helped in first month sales), but sales should go down soon, and I mean very down. Sony has to make whatever they can in order to have at least "respectable" first year sales (something like 10-15k weekly average outside of Holidays), otherwise there could be important ripercussions on 2015 as well.
Yeah, people in Japan aren't downloading in mass amounts. Feb. download numbers, including for the PS4 aren't going to jump significantly.
StreetsAhead
Member
Does anyone know the first week sales for the 2 Fossil Fighters games? I have a feeling there'll be a bit of drop off.
test_account
XP-39C²
Sure, there are indeed sales potential like this as you mentioned. But what i ment earlier is that i dont see why anyone would by a system early, then wait weeks or months, maybe even years, before they find the first game that they want to play. For example, why buy a PS4 at launch if the first game that someone wants to play is Metal Gear Solid V? I dont see any reason to do that unless there is some other interesting games on the PS4 right now.
shinra-bansho
Member
The PS4's potential is essentially the third party home console industry, or at least whatever's left of it. It basically has the heft of historical precedent behind it alongside announced titles like FF, KH and MGS.
Where will the next console Tales of goes after PS3? PS4. Where will the next proper Yakuza game go? PS4. Where will the next musou games go after PS3? PS4. Where will the next Resident Evil go? PS4. Where will the next Souls games go? PS4.
This under the assumption of course that there will be console versions of these franchises going forward, which I suppose may not be the case.
I'm expecting a rapid decline as well in these coming weeks, but support for the platform, despite a lack of announcements isn't anywhere near as questionable as the Wii U.
Where will the next console Tales of goes after PS3? PS4. Where will the next proper Yakuza game go? PS4. Where will the next musou games go after PS3? PS4. Where will the next Resident Evil go? PS4. Where will the next Souls games go? PS4.
This under the assumption of course that there will be console versions of these franchises going forward, which I suppose may not be the case.
I'm expecting a rapid decline as well in these coming weeks, but support for the platform, despite a lack of announcements isn't anywhere near as questionable as the Wii U.
Thanks. Makes sense, I guess art styles aren't going to be as transferable as tech. For more "generic" things like brown building or random person on the street or car, it still seems like it would make a lot of sense for more sharing to occur. Or for there to even be a more central bank or store of such assets for "AAA" development. Although, I suppose it's true that such things can simply be outsourced to cheaper labour.
Liabe Brave
Member
As already mentioned, Knack isn't a hugely desirable game for the sort of people who are early adopters. But I do think at least some of PS4's very low attach rate can be cleared up by the same type of explanation. That is, several consoles have had pack-ins, but there are an unusual number of non-traditional ways to acquire games on PS4 at launch.
For example, in addition to Knack, the other 11 retail games can be bought digitally too. Then there are 4 free-to-play titles available for download (Onigiri, DCC: Host Girls On Stage, Doki Doki Universe, and Warframe). There are 2 more games free with PS+ (Contrast and Resogun), which all users have at launch due to the included trial. There are 4 more games that are free if an earlier version is owned (flow, Flower, Sound Shapes, and Escape Plan), or can be bought if not. And then 3 more games that can only be bought digitally (Don't Starve, E Mahjong Plus, and a sudoku game). Add in the free or cheap upgrade programs for FF XIV beta, AC IV, Call of Duty, and Battlefield, and you have a rather sizeable selection of games whose purchase doesn't show up on the usual charts. They span a wide array of genres, too.
Now, very few of them are high budget or high profile, and digital sales aren't gangbusters in Japan, so I wouldn't expect more than a couple thousand units from any one source. But combined together I'd wager they aren't negligible. It would only take 50k units across the entire field to get PS4's attach rate into the PS2/PS3/PSV range. Even if they don't total that high--which, depending on FF XIV, I think they likely don't--the situation is still a bit better than it seems at first.
None of which is to say that the software situation is ideal, however.
Sammy Samusu
Member
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=102421685&postcount=572
Someone should keep an archive, I'm tired of favoriting posts.
StreetsAhead
Member
Thanks, totally missed that post in my search. I don't put much stock in Comgnet numbers, but maybe there won't be so much of a drop? 1st week sales are lower than I thought they'd be for the last two games.
Speaking of Comgnet:
pre-orders 14 days until release:
[PS3] Dark Souls: 250pt
[PS3] Dark Souls II: 148pt
I have a feeling 2014 could be like 2012: PSP exclusive releases underperforming one after the other with Vita sitting alone in a corner with nothing to play. Replace "PSP" for "PS3" and "Vita" for "PS4".
We already have Sengoku Bombara 4. Dark Souls II might be the next one.
I think Persona 5 is safe, but a PS4 version surely wouldn't hurt.
pre-orders 14 days until release:
[PS3] Dark Souls: 250pt
[PS3] Dark Souls II: 148pt
I have a feeling 2014 could be like 2012: PSP exclusive releases underperforming one after the other with Vita sitting alone in a corner with nothing to play. Replace "PSP" for "PS3" and "Vita" for "PS4".
We already have Sengoku Bombara 4. Dark Souls II might be the next one.
I think Persona 5 is safe, but a PS4 version surely wouldn't hurt.
I don't really distinctly remember PSP games underperforming in 2012? Probably misremembering this, but I seem to remember people saying a lot of "The PSP has still got a lot of life in it, in terms of software." What games are you talking about specifically?
Yakuza 2, SD Gundam, Super Robot Wars Z2-II, AKB, Toriko, Little Battlers 2, Idolmaster...
They were all sequels that had a modest to big drops. Some of them were overshipped and ended with a more respectable LTD than they'll have gotten otherwise.
Franchise fatigue and fast sequels also played a part.
Thanks, you have a better memory than I do.
Putting it in numbers:
{2010-09-22} Kurohyou Yakuza Shinshou (SEGA) - 183,339 / 274,539
{2012-03-22} Kurohyou 2 Yakuza: Ashura-hen (SEGA) - 94,833 / 175,666
{2011-04-14} Super Robot Wars Z 2nd: Hakai-Hen (Bandai Namco) - 280,896 / 412,582
{2012-04-05} Super Robot Wars Z 2nd: Saisei-hen (Bandai Namco) - 246,114 / 320,636
{2009-02-19} The Idolm@ster SP: Perfect Sun / Missing Moon / Wandering Star (Bandai Namco) - 121,271 / 189,568
{2012-10-25} The Idolm@ster Shiny Festa: Groovy Tune / Honey Sound / Funky Note (Bandai Namco) - 96,682 / 124,056
{2011-02-24} SD Gundam G Generation World (Bandai Namco) - 227,790 / 336,699
{2012-09-27} SD Gundam G Generation Over World (Bandai Namco) - 202,887 / 257,777
{2011-08-04} Toriko: Gourmet Survival! (Bandai Namco) - 60,528 / 147,307
{2012-07-05} Toriko: Gourmet Survival! 2 (Bandai Namco) - 43,790 / 108,672
{2011-05-19} Akiba's Trip (Acquire) - 51,465 / 94,426
{2012-06-14} Akiba's Trip Plus (Acquire) - 26,902 / 46,529
{2011-01-27} Ore no Imouto ga Konna ni Kawaii Wake ga Nai Portable (Bandai Namco) - 89,410 / 117,370
{2012-05-17} Ore no Imouto ga Konna ni Kawaii Wake ga Nai Portable ga Tsuzuku Wake ga Nai (Bandai Namco) - 55,417 / 71,407
AKB and Little Battlers were PSP/Vita multi, but they might have been too little too late for 2012:
[PSP] {2011-10-06} AKB1/48: Idol to Guam de Koishitara... (Bandai Namco) - 256,504 / 395,674
[PSP] {2012-12-20} AKB1/149: Renai Sousenkyo (Bandai Namco) - 146,661 / 217,891
[PSV] {2012-12-20} AKB1/149: Renai Sousenkyo (Bandai Namco) - 29,943 / 34,595
[PSP] {2011-06-16} Little Battlers eXperience (Level 5) - 163,834 / 328,323
[PSP] {2012-10-18} Little Battlers eXperience W (Level 5) - 84,041 / 155,877
[PSV] {2012-10-18} Little Battlers eXperience W (Level 5) - 16,489 / 28,800
Of course, not all was bad for the PSP in 2012, some games such as One Piece Romance Dawn, Digimon World Re
igitize and Danganronpa 2 had good showings.Sammy Samusu
Member
And the Vita never lives.
That definitely played a role, publishers were forced to add PSP versions to some of their games.
We will never know what happened to God Eater 2.
pieatorium
Member
We will never know what happened to God Eater 2.
whats this supposed to mean?
leatherhat
Member
I think with some of the more far off titles ps3 only titles (specifically tales and persona) ps4 versions will probably appear. Publishers were hesitant to jump in but with ps4 breaking records around the world I think most will be comfortable putting games on it.
I suspect that if one shows up, it will probably be around the time of the Western release so they can get double dippers and also release on a platform people are still using in the West in 2015.
That said, they went way after the demise of PS2 with Persona 4, but if I were now part of a larger publisher and feeling more ambitious, that would probably be my next step.
..Or they could shoot for triple dipping like Persona 3 -> FES -> Portable (PS2 -> PS2 -> PSP)
I don't see the reason they won't do PS3 -> PSV -> PS4.
I honestly wouldn't be surprised if we see Persona 5 portable land on the 3DS. I think Persona Q is testing the waters and I think it'll do well. It'll obviously be a scaled down port like the PSP version of 3, but I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility. From a personal stand point I'd like it on Vita ideally.
At that point, shouldn't Nintendo already announced or hinted their new handheld? It's either Vita or Nintendo new handheld system (which I assume will be as good as Vita in tech power). Scaled down is understatement if Persona 5 ported to 3DS.
Yodobashi's PS4 supply situation on 2/28, 16 JPT
PS4 without camera - in stock in 2 stores out of 20
PS4 with camera - in stock in 14 stores out of 20
More anecdotal experiences from Gaffers living in Japan would be great (I was expecting a special edition of Vinnk's Village ;_; )
PS4 without camera - in stock in 2 stores out of 20
PS4 with camera - in stock in 14 stores out of 20
More anecdotal experiences from Gaffers living in Japan would be great (I was expecting a special edition of Vinnk's Village ;_; )
I assume you're talking WW because there's no way Japan would ever sell 1 mill copies of DS2. I think they'll still do decent numbers and if there is a late PS4/XB1 port then it'll probably do better than DS1 IMO.
Considering how Persona 5 releases this Fall, and that a Portable version could be out in early 2016...yep, it sounds possible. Especially as a Vita / next Nintendo handheld release, though: there's a good Persona audience on Vita, given Golden's performance.
However, I feel next Nintendo handheld could be around Wii U, tech and graphics wise, with some things better just due to having more modern components and other worse, like polygon count. Honestly, I can't see it being just around Vita, especially seeing how fast mobile tech is going on, making far easier to have specific performances at reasonable prices.
pieatorium
Member
so quick to shoot him down you didnt read it properly? Hes obviously talking $ not units
shinra-bansho
Member
Are you doing updates every hour or something...?
BishopLamont
Banned
lol this is gold.
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
Yes. Especially for the West. Atlus should seriously be considering this. I think if PS4 sales are good enough in Japan then we might get a port.
Not WW, where the majority of Souls gets its sales from. They probably are going to do next gen versions later down the line to increase double dipping.
You do know Souls never sold a million in JP? Unless you talking WW in which case lol. Do you honestly think it won't sell in the millions?
michaelius
Banned
Previous handheld entries had several years time gap from main release.
So i could see it going P3 way
P5 on PS3 then P5FES on PS3 and/or PS4 then P5something on next gen handheld
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
I think they should go back to consoles. Forget handhelds, just give them the random spin offs. The userbase and fanbase is far bigger on PS3.
P5 for PS3 (hopefully for PS4 as well in the West), P5 Scarlet PS3/4, P5P for Vita.
Persona Q will do well, but I think Atlus will just expand on that spinoff instead of placing a mainline persona game on Nintendo hardware
Liabe Brave
Member
I believe whenever Yodobashi updates. I think it's interesting, since it gives us another sliver of data to work with; generalizing from Yodobashi has got to be at least as accurate as talking about Comgnet preorders.
So given how fast their stores are running out of stock, it seems like the second shipment of PS4s is going to hit ~80-90% sell-through in two business days just like the first shipment. Of course, the second set would've been far smaller, and we don't know what the absolute numbers were. But unless it was pitifully small, that run rate seems more encouraging than I would've guessed, given the overall low software so far.
I'm not so sure about that. I would say Nintendo would want to release something at low price point. Call me crazy but I don't think it'll be that much better than Vita specwise. I wonder if they'll stick with 2 screens for BC or not, would make sense, since that they are not using anything exotic.
I think that if Atlus wanted to release next numbered Persona on 3DS they would port P3/4 first. It would be pretty challenging scaling PS3 game to a 3DS.
Last gen sales are crumbling WW though. It will be interesting now to finally get some numbers on how last gen vs current gen sales stack up. Very different market, but it's better than digging for hours in NPD threads trying to find numbers that have leaked.
Let's not start the Persona on Nintendo platforms talk because it gets ugly pretty fast.
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
The Souls fan base are dedicated. You shall see.
michaelius
Banned
Well it's Nintendo - this means there is no limit on how cheap they can decide to go with their next design.
If they want to hit $130 or $150 pricepoint day one while being profitable then it might not even match Vita.
Dark Souls 2 will still probably do well either way and there's still the PC version to move copies during Steam sales lol.
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
I don't see why people think a mainline Persona is ever going to be on the 3DS or heck even the Vita. Atlus knows where their fanbase is or the majority and P5 in all likelihood will be the best selling Persona to date. Its illogical to just abandon a platform thats providing such growth for the series.
Bold predication (not really): Persona 6 will be on PS3/4.
Bold predication (not really): Persona 6 will be on PS3/4.
I expect each screen to be 480p, would be perfect for Capcom.
By the time Persona 6 will be coming out we'll already have PS5.
Any talk about Persona going onto any other platform other than PS3 (4?) is only a wishful thinking. It'll probably have the same effect as Tales going to Wii and we have seen what happened there. Any games that come out on other platforms with a Persona name, to me, is simply a case it making sense at the time; by product of this is raising awareness of the brand. What would be evolution of Etrian Odyssey? Let's make an Etrian Odyssey like game in Persona settings and try things out. I almost feel like this what happened. Catherine and Arena being out on 360 was because the engine allowed it, an easy win.
If Persona Q is successful enough, they might develop Persona Q-2, almost like Sega's doing with Hatsune Miku MIrai.
It only gets ugly if people choose to make it ugly.Let's not start the Persona on Nintendo platforms talk because it gets ugly pretty fast.
I really do see Atlus expanding on the Persona Q spinoff on Nintendo platforms should it be successful. But I don't see a mainline game hitting any time soon.