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[marc^o^]

I think that fits quite nicely with my 20-30 million (before Q4). And a good part of the those are iPod shuffles, which are quite a lot cheaper than a PSP.

Sure Apple and some other are now big in the "walkman" business, but PSP does not try to be the new walkman.

I'm not even sure the shuffle accounts for 10% of the Ipod sales. But whatever. PSP was trying to be a new all in one walkman, that's not something to be argued. The thing is it failed to compete with the Ipod as a walkman player.

When next gen console are released next year, casual gamers will predictably stop buying the PSP and pick up a PS3/Rev/x360 instead. When this happens, who will still buy the PSP? Usual walkman consumers? No chance, these will buy an Ipod. GBA owners? These are more likely to get the cheap GBA compatible DS.

Sony will need to put its biggest marketing efforts in the PS3 promotion. PS3 will have to fight against 2nd gen x360 games, HD dvd players and even Revolution. PSP will be shadowed by the PS3 in 2006, it won't have the big marketing exposure it would need to overcome its lack of self selling beam.

There are reasons to be cautious about PSP sales previsions in 2006.

 

[quetz67]

I'm not even sure the shuffle accounts for 10% of the Ipod sales. But whatever. PSP was trying to be a new all in one walkman, that's not something to be argued. The thing is it failed to compete with the Ipod as a walkman player.

They used the brand name because they had it and I am sure they were aware that a pretty heavy $249 device you cant jog with will not compete with an iPod shuffle or mini/nano. And yes I think the shuffle accounts for more than 10% of iPod sales, because before mid 2004 without mini/shuffle available ipod sales were good but way below 5 million a year.

2006 might be hard year for PSP, but I bet a very successful if they get the games going. And I am pretty sure the PSP will compete quite well with the iPod video, which it comes close to competing with. But sure the ipod mini/shuffle/nano sales will destroy those of Sony's MP3 players they are competing with.

Enough for this argument, we can talk again in a year.

 

[Monorojo]

PSP sells more than it ever has, amazing how it continues to sell so well @ the price it is and with no real software support.

 

[Oblivion]

PSP sells more than it ever has, amazing how it continues to sell so well @ the price it is and with no real software support.

Well, there are tons of umd movies and all, you know.

 

[jj984jj]

PSP sells more than it ever has, amazing how it continues to sell so well @ the price it is and with no real software support.

It's funny how fanboys say that yet cry when people say that there are no games on PSP.

 

[Azelover]

PSP sells more than it ever has, amazing how it continues to sell so well @ the price it is and with no real software support.

It is PlayStation afterall, but yes it's doing quite well, it's not gonna lead either the mp3 or handheld gaming markets but it will still do quite well.

 

[mckmas8808]

It is PlayStation afterall, but yes it's doing quite well, it's not gonna lead either the mp3 or handheld gaming markets but it will still do quite well.

This part we still don't know yet.

 

[JJConrad]

This part we still don't know yet.

You may not.

 

[Fafalada]

Unless december sales prove me wrong, PSP is far from reaching Sony expectations

They predicted 10M by year end, which is basically on par with PS2 performance (PS2 took exactly 12months to ship first 10milions) and it seems like they got to that target slightly faster then PS2.

 

[mckmas8808]

You may not.

Looks like you are another one that doesn't view worldwide sales as important. You seem to view Japan as the only place to take into account.

 

[cvxfreak]

Just noticed the sales archive. :lol :lol

 

[Izzy]

Speaking of Japanese sales, next Media Create HW chart is going to be very interesting.

 

[Tony HoTT]

Speaking of Japanese sales, I get the feeling next Media Create HW chart is going to be very interesting.

If the DS supply tops off, then maybe PSP will outsell the DS.

It will be glorious.

 

[mj1108]

Speaking of Japanese sales, next Media Create HW chart is going to be very interesting.

The Sony "glimmer of hope" that if someone goes to the store for a DS and they're out that they'll buy a PSP?

 

[Oblivion]

Just noticed the sales archive. :lol :lol

Where? I want to see!

 

[JoshuaJSlone]

If the DS supply tops off, then maybe PSP will outsell the DS.

It will be glorious.

Still not as good as GameCube outselling PSP in its 3rd week.

 

[CajoleJuice]

Where? I want to see!

On the main page. Right below the real archive.

 

[Oblivion]

On the main page. Right below the real archive.

Oh, sweetness! Thanks. GAF just got a whole lot cooler.

 

[GhaleonEB]

Oh, sweetness! Thanks. GAF just got a whole lot cooler.

Seriously, that's awesome.

 

[CajoleJuice]

Seriously, that's awesome.

It should be renamed "Documentation of Nintendo DS domination" for now.

 

[quetz67]

Seriously, that's awesome.

My source for MC numbers is gamefront, they have them back to mid 2002. unfortunately you have to browse through their news archive

 

[GhaleonEB]

My source for MC numbers is gamefront, they have them back to mid 2002. unfortunately you have to browse through their news archive

To be honest, I'm more interested in the hilarity these threads usually contain over the actual sales, but thanks for the pointer.

 

[maharg]

By the way, if I missed any good sales threads in filling up the sales archive, feel free to send a link to me via PM and I'll get it in there. The lack of NPD threads is for a good reason, though.

Basically the furthest back information that's in there is the end of the first page of searching for "Media Create," "Japanese," or "Sales."

 

[mj1108]

It should be renamed "Documentation of Nintendo DS domination" for now.

Or better yet "The Easter Archive".

 

[cvxfreak]

The Easter thing's gotten a bit tired now, don't you think?

 

[Farmboy]

The Easter thing's gotten a bit tired now, don't you think?

A tired running gag on GAF? Never!

 

[cvxfreak]

Too bad Nintendogs wasn't released on October 31 or July 4 or something. :lol

 

[polg]

Or better yet "The Easter Archive".

ftw...

The Easter thing's gotten a bit tired now, don't you think?

easter will finish the day PSP outsells DS in japan...


and in related news... I have Culex's spreadsheet

 

[jarrod]

PSP sells more than it ever has, amazing how it continues to sell so well @ the price it is and with no real software support.

PSP's had more ambitious 3rd party support than any non-Famicom/PlayStation console in history, pre-release it essentially split the 3rd party Japanese community with DS. Yet it's trailing Saturn and moving about on par with GameCube hardware wise, and software wise it's trailing both. PSP certainly has great JP support now (it's actually had more JP 3rd party releases than DS), but it might not if in the future if these trends continue...

This idea that PSP's had "lacking" software commitments though is just flat out wrong. From day one it's had it way better than Saturn, N64, Dreamcast, GameCube or Xbox managed. Hell, it's even significantly better than what the original PlayStation started out with.

 

[Fafalada]

Hell, it's even significantly better than what the original PlayStation started out with.

It's also been selling faster then original PS so far (even in Japan).

 

[jarrod]

It's also been selling faster then original PS so far (even in Japan).

Not software wise. It's lagging both PS1 and Saturn for 1994/1995.

Hardware might be arguable too. I thought both Saturn and PS had moved 2.5 million their first full years on market? Both sold about 350-400k first week iirc.

 

[Fafalada]

No idea about Saturn, but PS1 shipped only 2milion in its first 12months in Japan - so it was more then 1milion behind.

 

[ForzaItalia]

I've been out of the loop for months. Anyone have the total hardware sales for both DS and PSP in all regions?

Thanks.

 

[jarrod]

No idea about Saturn, but PS1 shipped only 2milion in its first 12months in Japan - so it was more then 1milion behind.

Ack! Though I wonder if PS1 sellthrough was tracking closer than PSP?

Still, we've yet to see any JP PSP games crack 500k, while plenty of PS1/Saturn games were doing it in the same timespan... I'm going mainly off memory here though, so some numbers might not be exact...

-Virtua Fighter~ 900.000
-Ridge Racer~ 700.000
-Daytona USA~ 500.000
-Panzer Dragoon~ 800.000
-Arc the Lad~ 900.000
-Tekken~ 800.000
-Virtua Fighter 2~ 1.400.000
-Sega Rally~ 600.000
-Street Fighter Zero (PS+SS)~ 900.000

 

[JoshuaJSlone]

My source for MC numbers is gamefront, they have them back to mid 2002. unfortunately you have to browse through their news archive

I'm looking back on both the GameFront and GameScience archives for their shared portion, and I notice something. They both use rounded numbers early on, specific numbers currently, and have a period where it's inconsistent. Did Media Create really used to list them that way, or was one site using the other as a source?



EDIT BEFORE THE ACTUAL POST: If you go to archive.org and put in http://www.m-create.com/jpn/s_ranking.html , you can find a few saved pages. Not at all comprehensive, but I don't see any rounded values.

Also, if I wanted to see a crazy conspiracy theory, I'd find it suspicious that the only archived pages from the last year are from February and March, when PSP outsold DS.

 

[Shikamaru Ninja]

Animal Crossing: Wild World DS Nintendo 424,500 1,255,750
Mario Kart DS DS Nintendo 333,000 743,250
Train Your Brain DS Nintendo 119,250 1,308,000
Nintendogs DS Nintendo 100,750 1,065,750
Daredemo Asobi Taizen DS Nintendo 55,000 333,750
Pokemon Torouze DS Nintendo 47,250 252,000
Donkey Kong Country 3 GBA Nintendo 21,500 68,250
Wario Ware Touched DS Nintendo 13,500 968,000
Jump Super Stars DS Nintendo 12,000 505,750
Super Mario 64 DS DS Nintendo 56 10,750 932,000
Mario Party 7 GC Nintendo 110,250 364,500
Pokemon Mysterious Dungeon Blue DS Nintendo 173,500 574,500
Pokemon Mysterious Dungeon Red GBA Nintendo 172,000 569,500

* Looks like Super Mario 64 and Wario Ware Touched will be joining the million seller club with Animal Crossing, Mario Kart, Train Your Brain, Brain Flex and Nintendos (3 versions combined). That is amazing compared to the software sales Nintendo was amounting on the GBA.

http://www.everythingandnothing.org.uk/vg/japweekly.php?date=38711

* Nintendo's Touch Generation titles are basically the driving force behind the Nintendo DS right now. It looks like Nintendo is going to keep a steady flow of them all through next year Japan but with the added fire power of Super Mario Bros. DS and Pokemon DS

* I have been hearing that in Japan several adults are buying Brain Training and introducing it to their friends.

* The main director behind the Train Your Brain series is Kouichi Kawamoto, this man also came up with the concept behind Wario Ware Inc.

 

[Mashing]

Well, apparently that man deserves a raise.

 

[gimz]

i can imagine what Reggie will say in E3 this year

 

[AniHawk]

I still can't believe how well Animal Crossing is doing. It's the perfect handheld game.

Too bad Pikmin didn't enjoy that success.

 

[Kroole]

I still can't believe how well Animal Crossing is doing. It's the perfect handheld game.

Too bad Pikmin didn't enjoy that success.

Pikmin is a game that would really shine on a portable though. It would have been perfect on the DS if not for the weak 3d that the machine produces. Going from Pikmin 2 to a pixelated mess would be too painful I think.

Maybe (I'm hopeful here) the series will get the recognition (saleswise) it deserves on the Rev.

 

[BorkBork]

Pikmin is a pretty big franchise in Japan. Pikmin 2 sold almost 500k if I recall correctly. It's just criminally underperforming in North America and Europe though.

 

[Version 3.0]

I've been out of the loop for months. Anyone have the total hardware sales for both DS and PSP in all regions?

Thanks.

US:

DS 2,758,213
PSP 2,521,772

JP:

DS 5,257,071
PSP 2,572,221

No idea about Europe, though apparently it's a close race there like the US, probably pretty similar numbers actually. There are also numbers floating around for some smaller areas, like Canada (not talking landmass, heh), Australia, etc, but I don't have them.

 

[ForzaItalia]

Thanks dude.

 

[neo2046]

http://www.senakablog.com/archives/2006/01/dsxbox360.html
it seems NDS keeps on sold out everywhere in Japan

 

[ioi]

Really?

And there I was saying how you never see Nintendo hardware sold out

Any word on numbers this week yet Neo?

 

[Taker666]

http://www.senakablog.com/archives/2006/01/dsxbox360.html
it seems NDS keeps on sold out everywhere in Japan

Seems that way.

I even noticed that Amazon Japan stopped taking any more orders for it as of yesterday (all colours had been in the top 25 for the last couple of weeks).

Every color is sold out, even bundles that amazon made themselves.

 

[Gahiggidy]

http://www.senakablog.com/archives/img/2006-01-03-110.JPG


^^^

Warms my black-heart.

 

[Kurosaki Ichigo]

It seems Kingdom Hearts 2 is selling good...

But there are still many heartless in japanese shops

 

[NWO]

No idea about Europe, though apparently it's a close race there like the US, probably pretty similar numbers actually.

Don't know about Europe since we haven't gotten any solid numbers other than the UK and probably never will.

For Sonyland though we have:

DS 846,000
PSP 668,600

(up to Dec 17 because we haven't had numbers posted since then)

 

[Sgt. Killjoy]

http://www.senakablog.com/archives/img/2006-01-03-110.JPG


^^^

Warms my black-heart.

Are those just the systems sitting there?