NoblesseOblige
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I noticed your avatar is a character with a black face.
If by black face you mean a city, sure.
I noticed your avatar is a character with a black face.
Europeans didn't have to worry about other races because they were tucked away nice and neat in their little colonies. Times are changing and shit like blackface, even as innocuous as this stuff, won't be acceptable forever.
Nice cherry picking. People who say that are shouted down for it. There is division and problems, but people aren't silent about them hiding behind the pile of horseshit that is tradition.Last time I heard about that someone said "WELL BLACK PEOPLE SHOULDN'T BE WEARING HOODIES", so............. yeah.
If by black face you mean a city, sure.
That's actually not what it says. The translation in the OP is a bit sloppy.
Correct is "The Indians couldn't do anything against immigration. Now they're living in reservations"
It's an idiotic argument, but it also doesn't blame the Indians for anything.
did you read the entire post/any of the other posts I made in this thread?
I'm talking about a little kid's tradition that's ONLY offensive to US-Americans because of their OWN tradition/history with slavery and blackface.
US-Americans trying to enforce their cultural views on the rest of the world - news at 11.
that's my point. Your avatar is a person with a black face (with the scenery of a city in it)
Look, the Dalai Lama, pictured with Swastikas!
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Let's ignore the meaning of the symbol in Buddhism and make it all about how he's a Nazi because my cultural views are the only ones I accept.
This is a good example why the term "race" is bullshit.
What does it refer to? Only different skin colors?
Is it only diversity when the skin color is different?
There are people from all kinds of countries living together in the european countries.
Just because the color of the skin is usually not that different doesn't mean its less diverse.
Really baffled by this as well.
Look, the Dalai Lama, pictured with Swastikas!
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Let's ignore the meaning of the symbol in Buddhism and make it all about how he's a Nazi because my cultural views are the only ones I accept.
I think you're misinterpreting what I'm saying. I'm not talking about the assumption of inferiority and danger that led to slavery and the Holocaust in the first place. I categorize that as malice. I'm more talking about things that no one with common sense would assume said things are offensive without being raised in an environment where it's drilled into their heads that it's offensive. A type of ignorance that can transform into malice is not one based on common sense.
If someone with no inherent racism is doing something offensive and they're told that, they would apologize and stop. If someone is doing something intentionally racist, they will double down on their beliefs when told to stop. You see how there's a difference here, right?
Sadly yes.
You display zero awareness of racist history of Germany and a utter unwillingness to learn.
Really baffled by this as well.
Look, the Dalai Lama, pictured with Swastikas!
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Let's ignore the meaning of the symbol in Buddhism and make it all about how he's a Nazi because my cultural views are the only ones I accept.
When people act racist in the United States they are generally called out and shamed/educated for it.
that's my point. Your avatar is a person with a black face (with the scenery of a city in it)
One word: Trump
Three words: Black Lives Matter.One word: Trump
that's my point. Your avatar is a person with a black face (with the scenery of a city in it)
It's not trying to use the US-cultural appropriation of "blackface" which portrays a negative stereotype of black people.
Neither is little kids dressing up.
Are spray-tans racist?
Not that I know of, Namibia though.
Colonies and protectorates aren't exactly the same.
was a colony
Colonies and protectorates aren't exactly the same.
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Using the term "race" is offensive to Germans, not offensive to the US
Little kids dressing up as three wise kings (again, ESP when there WERE NO black kids to play the traditional (whether it's accurate or not) third king) is NOT offensive to Germans, but offensive to the US.
Why is using one okay, but not the other?
Either you admit both things are offensive and should be stopped
You say neither thing is racist and should go on because it depends on the cultural/meaning context
or what?
One word: Trump
Are you defending lacking awareness with lacking awareness?
Well then Togo
The German Empire used the word "Schutzgebiet", literally protectorate, for all of its colonies until they were lost during World War I, regardless of the actual level of government control.
German South-West Africa (German: Deutsch-Südwestafrika, DSWA) was a colony of the German Empire from 1884 until 1915.
yeah that logic was flawed from the start there. Someone saying "All Mexicans are rapists" has huge popular support, I wouldn't say they're exactly being "call out".
Anyway - I'm NOT defending the AMERICAN use of blackface to portray a negative stereotype. That's racist as fuck.
I AM Saying that little kids dressing up as an old Christian tradition is NOT offensive unless Germany/black people in Germany actually come out against it - and really, it's not even a NEGATIVE portrayal at all. Just because the US uses blackface negatively doesn't mean the rest of the world does.
Asia uses whiteface and it's meant VERY positively, I don't see anyone being outraged about that.
man the avatar quote was joke chill people
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Using the term "race" is offensive to Germans, not offensive to the US
Little kids dressing up as three wise kings (again, ESP when there WERE NO black kids to play the traditional (whether it's accurate or not) third king) is NOT offensive to Germans, but offensive to the US.
Why is using one okay, but not the other?
Either you admit both things are offensive and should be stopped
You say neither thing is racist and should go on because it depends on the cultural/meaning context
or what?
Is this a longwinded way of saying you never listened to black people or black movements?
A lot of Asians find Whiteface offensive because it basically says that being Asian is lesser. Don't just spout shit.
Why does a kid dressing up at one of the three wise men need to wear blackface? Is his blackness his defining feature? Thinking so is racist. Just like an Asian guy doesn't need to wear blackface to dress up as Mr. T, neither does a kid dressing up as a wise man.
Is this a longwinded way of saying you never listened to black people or black movements?
The US minstrel shows toured all throughout Europe. Europeans loved them and were introduced and familiarized with the stereotypes they promote. There's no excuse for ignorance.
did you read the entire post/any of the other posts I made in this thread?
Him saying "Europe needs to learn about racism"... from whom? Who's the rolemodel here? I'd argue kids dressing up is MUCH less harmful to black people than getting shot for being black by cops.
I AM Saying that little kids dressing up as an old Christian tradition is NOT offensive unless Germany/black people in Germany actually come out against it - and really, it's not even a NEGATIVE portrayal at all. Just because the US uses blackface negatively doesn't mean the rest of the world does.
The US minstrel shows toured all throughout Europe. Europeans loved them and were introduced and familiarized with the stereotypes they promote. There's no excuse for ignorance.
Yes, you make complete sense. You do not like the idea that things you perceive as being harmless can be perceived by others as being racist and offensive.
It's the same rationale I heard applied many times over by my insensitive and/or racist relatives living in relatively small towns in Nowheresville, Tennessee all those years ago.
Thank you for your contribution. It isn't at all an overreaction to find this offensive, here or there. Continuing this sort of affront is simply ignorant and small-minded. To the extent that we do not act contrarily to law, we are all free to make our own choices, but to work so hard to refute the perceived harm presented by others, not to mention the empirical research, is...just silly.
Barring some horrible personal experience, your bright line rule will follow most others and shift in that direction -- eventually. For now, you and others like you are simply behind the curve. Here's to catching up.
the kid doesn't just wear blackface and he goes like that, he has the entire costume and the blackness of his face is part of the costume. It is NOT the defining feature. it is PART of the costume.
I AM Saying that little kids dressing up as an old Christian tradition is NOT offensive unless Germany/black people in Germany actually come out against it - and really, it's not even a NEGATIVE portrayal at all. Just because the US uses blackface negatively doesn't mean the rest of the world does.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-16492222
How many Germans/Black people in Germany need to be upset about it to meet your obtuse requirement?
Neither the kids nor the people at the door care whether the kid is black though, I wasn't spray tanned as Melchior or Balthasar either. At this point it's a pointless tradition.
Three words: Black Lives Matter.
I can play this game too.
How about some European countries and a lot of Europeans learn from a country that acknowledges the racist connotations by blackface instead of keep on defending its racist traditions?
Some kind of council of black people in germany has spoken up against blackfacing, but in the context of theaters.
Many times white actors where cast in black roles even though qualified black actors are available.
I remember there beeing a debate about Swarte-Piet in the netherlands(this tradition doesn't exist in germany), but I don't remember any debates in germany.
I've actually never heard that red facing is considered offensive in the US. Dressing up as an indian is among the top 3 most popular dress ups for carneval in germany.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-16492222
How many Germans/Black people in Germany need to be upset about it to meet your obtuse requirement?
Well, because Melchior and Batthasar representing Europe and Asia.
Makes no sense that's no Nazi symbol.
I don't understand the flaming hot urge to paint one's skin like a minority.
How many countries think black face isn't racist? Is it just mainly central/western Europe?
Plenty of people in Europe are of darker complexions.
I don't understand the flaming hot urge to paint one's skin like a minority.
No, it's kind of the point. The difference between the symbols gets ignored to reach a conclusion.
I said spray tanned not painted black.And how is that related that you weren't forced to paint your face black as Melchior or Balthasar?