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Never.Were you hit when you were a kid? Not as brutal hit but a nudge
Never.Were you hit when you were a kid? Not as brutal hit but a nudge
No wonder you're a snowflake thenNever.
Abusive parents often have the opposite effect of raising tricky kids who have to git good as a survival mechanism.Good little boys don't need to get hit. Me? I was a little shit
I rather be a snowflake with loving parents than a forum tough guy with abusive asses for parents.No wonder you're a snowflake then
First I was joking no need to get butthurt. Second who's this tough guy with abusive parents?I rather be a snowflake with loving parents than a forum tough guy with abusive asses for parents.
I think he thinks you can only be tough and masculine if you copped a little spank in your youth. Probably true.First I was joking no need to get butthurt. Second who's this tough guy with abusive parents?
But thats mean. You must have abusive parents because they gave you a nudge!I think he thinks you can only be tough and masculine if you copped a little spank in your youth. Probably true.
No I do not, I think spanking your child is child abuse and a pretty major failing character-wise and as a parent.I think he thinks you can only be tough and masculine if you copped a little spank in your youth. Probably true.
EDIT: Or not...this went places. Lol.
In moderation, it teaches discipline and morals. It works well. I was hit as a kid and my moral compass is sharp as an arrow.No I do not, I think spanking your child is child abuse and a pretty major failing character-wise and as a parent.
You must be a forum tough guy with abusive parentsIn moderation, it teaches discipline and morals. It works well. I was hit as a kid and my moral compass is sharp as an arrow.
If you want an example of a society that doesn’t discipline their children properly and want to witness the result, open your front door and stick your head outside.
In moderation, it teaches discipline and morals. It works well. I was hit as a kid and my moral compass is sharp as an arrow.
If you want an example of a society that doesn’t discipline their children properly and want to witness the result, open your front door and stick your head outside.
“It’s a very controversial area even though the research is extremely telling and very clear and consistent about the negative effects on children,” says Sandra Graham-Bermann, PhD, a psychology professor and principal investigator for the Child Violence and Trauma Laboratory at the University of Michigan. (...)
Many studies have shown that physical punishment — including spanking, hitting and other means of causing pain — can lead to increased aggression, antisocial behavior, physical injury and mental health problems for children.
But spanking doesn’t work, says Alan Kazdin, PhD, a Yale University psychology professor and director of the Yale Parenting Center and Child Conduct Clinic. “You cannot punish out these behaviors that you do not want,” says Kazdin, who served as APA president in 2008. “There is no need for corporal punishment based on the research. We are not giving up an effective technique. We are saying this is a horrible thing that does not work.”
The Joint Statement on Physical Punishment of Children and Youth finds
The evidence is clear and compelling — physical punishment of children and youth plays no useful role in their upbringing and poses only risks to their development. The conclusion is equally compelling — parents should be strongly encouraged to develop alternative and positive approaches to discipline.46
The study defined “harsh physical punishment” as pushing, grabbing, shoving, slapping or hitting by elders. It suggests that even if there is no major maltreatment or physical abuse, these punishments can psychologically affect a child in adulthood.
In conclusion, for a child to learn self-discipline and effective coping skills to deal with daily frustrations, stressors and tensions, this is best accomplished without physical punishment.
Inner values, morals and means of self-discipline are best developed through identification with the parents and their non-punitive means of education.
Physical punishment may influence behavior in the short-term. However, physical methods of discipline can result in the following consequences in your child:
- bullying other children
- being aggressive
- behavioral problems
- fearing his or her parents
- poor self-esteem
- thinking that hitting is okay
- increased risk of depression, anxiety, and personality problems
Studies dating back to the early 1960s suggest a relationship between corporal punishment and decreased cognitive ability in early childhood. Recent research has added support to these findings. A 2009 study examined two cohorts of children within the National Longitudinal Study of Youth (NLSY) and found that, even controlling for other parenting behaviors and demographics, children of mothers who used little or no corporal punishment “gained cognitive ability faster than children who were spanked.”
The data in this area have recently been summarized by Elizabeth Gershoff (Report on Physical Punishment in the United States, 2008) and Susan Bitensky (Corporal Punishment of Children, 2006). The evidence shows that physical punishment is stunningly deleterious at every developmental level.
Meta-analyses of hundreds of studies document that physical punishment is associated with: verbal and physical aggression; delinquent, antisocial, and criminal behavior; poorer quality of parent-child relationships; impaired mental health; and later abuse of one’s own spouse and children.
What a sentimental touching storyI was a terrible kid growing up. I got beat down by everything.
I've never hit my children and I don't think I ever will. We have a good trusting relationship. I want my kids to be able to come to me instead of hiding shit.
I don't understand the American contempt for Canadians at all, I realize we are joking around and jokes are humourous, but there does actually exist a mutual contempt between the two that always seems to be bubbling just below the surface niceties.
Not that I agree with it, but I do understand where the Canadian's contempt comes from, they think Americans are stupid fat lazy warmongering idiots who drink watered down beer, but even before we leaned heavily into SJW nonsense, the American disdain seemed to be based on a sense than Canadians were just, polite odd ducks? I really don't get it.
Yeah, I stopped reading at a hyphenated surname from an American university.The case against spanking
Physical discipline is slowly declining as some studies reveal lasting harms for children.www.apa.org
Physical punishment of children: lessons from 20 years of research
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
The Good and Harm of Physical Discipline - Find a Psychologist
Punishing a child by hurting their body may take many different forms and may be done for different reasons. It may be a slap, a spanking or beating by hand, a kicking, shaking or throwing down of a child, a whipping or flogging with strap, belt, hairbrush or other implement.It may be the...www.findapsychologist.org
Physical Punishment
www.aacap.org
Hitting kids: American parenting and physical punishment
www.brookings.edu
Why Physical Punishment Does Not Work
Physical punishment is a major public health problem in this country. If hitting a child is not wrong, then nothing is wrong.www.psychologytoday.com
Do you need more? I haven't found a single piece of evidence suggesting corporal punishment is instrumental.
What a sentimental touching story
I don't understand the American contempt for Canadians at all, I realize we are joking around and jokes are humourous, but there does actually exist a mutual contempt between the two that always seems to be bubbling just below the surface niceties.
Not that I agree with it, but I do understand where the Canadian's contempt comes from, they think Americans are stupid fat lazy warmongering idiots who drink watered down beer, but even before we leaned heavily into SJW nonsense, the American disdain seemed to be based on a sense that Canadians were just, polite odd ducks? I really don't get it.
Damn, you must be an abusive parent and all your kids are in therapy right now /slol can I get in on the budget parenting advice?
The goal of a spanking or slap on the hand is to form a memory that helps them empathize with others and to understand natural consequences. Or go ahead and let them touch the stove and bite their siblings, that's cool too. I'm sure they won't quickly figure out that they can resort to physical measures (that neither Mommy nor Daddy will use) because the worst they get is a toy taken away or a stern talking to. Also roughhousing with kids (especially boys) outside the context of punishment is valuable so they have the chance to learn "good" physical contact and "bad" physical contact.
"Yeah but I'll just talk to them again and tell them not to".
Aaaaand this is why helicopter parenting has become such a problem. You're not instilling memorable lessons about consequences. The goal is for them to behave on their own without someone watching them. You're simply teaching them to watch out (and craftily dodge) The Authority because you have to observe them like a hawk and catch them in the act to have any sort of efficacy.
/budget parenting advice
Roughhousing with kids is not physical punishment though. Rough forms of play are both, outside of the scope of the results above, and not what I was criticising at all. Regarding the budget advice outside of that: It is probably budget for a reason. The premium advice by experts shows that disregarding potential good intentions, physical punishment has a detrimental effect on the children.Also roughhousing with kids (especially boys) outside the context of punishment is valuable so they have the chance to learn "good" physical contact and "bad" physical contact.
If your child ends up bad, it's your fault anyway. You could blame "experts" but the damage is done. This applies to whether you spank or don't spank, obviously. Parents who take the route of deferring to others may cause different kinds of harm, but hey at least it was comforting to know that you weren't "ruining" them according to the wisdom of the day.Roughhousing with kids is not physical punishment though. Rough forms of play are both, outside of the scope of the results above, and not what I was criticising at all. Regarding the budget advice outside of that: It is probably budget for a reason. The premium advice by experts shows that disregarding potential good intentions, physical punishment has a detrimental effect on the children.
I didn't say obedience to authority was the goal. I stated plainly that the child needs to learn proper behavior so that the child knows how to behave when no authority figure is present. It is called "self control".EDIT: I forgot to say: Obdience to authority is not the goal, it can be a crudge when understanding is missing (especially when children are really young), but to raise a self-competent child, it is important to teach the child to critically overthink rules and to understand the value in the rules, rather than following them out of fear of punishment.
Eh, I see Canadians for 2 months out of the year or so. Eh, they are mostly old people that come down because apparently the weather a shit there. Eh, they seem like ok people unlike most internet canadians.I don't understand the American contempt for Canadians at all, I realize we are joking around and jokes are humourous, but there does actually exist a mutual contempt between the two that always seems to be bubbling just below the surface niceties.
Not that I agree with it, but I do understand where the Canadian's contempt comes from, they think Americans are stupid fat lazy warmongering idiots who drink watered down beer, but even before we leaned heavily into SJW nonsense, the American disdain seemed to be based on a sense that Canadians were just, polite odd ducks? I really don't get it.
Don't ever say this no matter the circumstances.I rather be a snowflake
Soap and sock is the way to go.DunDunDunpachi what is your preferred tool? The belt? Sandals? A spatula? Open hand slap? Closed fist punch? Coat hanger? Closed fist punch while clutching a battery? Skipping rope? Bag full of onions? Cigarette embers? The hose? Tennis ball stuffed inside a sock?
What's the most optimal form of learnin'?
Real shame. He looked like he could suck a golf ball through a garden hose.That's what led to that poor bastard blowing his brains out in full metal jacket.
Kids need a mum and a dad, not two mums.
The case against spanking
Physical discipline is slowly declining as some studies reveal lasting harms for children.www.apa.org
Physical punishment of children: lessons from 20 years of research
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
The Good and Harm of Physical Discipline - Find a Psychologist
Punishing a child by hurting their body may take many different forms and may be done for different reasons. It may be a slap, a spanking or beating by hand, a kicking, shaking or throwing down of a child, a whipping or flogging with strap, belt, hairbrush or other implement.It may be the...www.findapsychologist.org
Physical Punishment
www.aacap.org
Hitting kids: American parenting and physical punishment
www.brookings.edu
Why Physical Punishment Does Not Work
Physical punishment is a major public health problem in this country. If hitting a child is not wrong, then nothing is wrong.www.psychologytoday.com
Do you need more? I haven't found a single piece of evidence suggesting corporal punishment is instrumental.
I don't understand the American contempt for Canadians at all, I realize we are joking around and jokes are humourous, but there does actually exist a mutual contempt between the two that always seems to be bubbling just below the surface niceties.
Not that I agree with it, but I do understand where the Canadian's contempt comes from, they think Americans are stupid fat lazy warmongering idiots who drink watered down beer, but even before we leaned heavily into SJW nonsense, the American disdain seemed to be based on a sense that Canadians were just, polite odd ducks? I really don't get it.
Yeah, I stopped reading at a hyphenated surname from an American university.
I don’t need phDs to tell me what’s good for kids because I am not an idiot.
Roughhousing with kids is not physical punishment though. Rough forms of play are both, outside of the scope of the results above, and not what I was criticising at all. Regarding the budget advice outside of that: It is probably budget for a reason. The premium advice by experts shows that disregarding potential good intentions, physical punishment has a detrimental effect on the children.
EDIT: I forgot to say: Obdience to authority is not the goal, it can be a crudge when understanding is missing (especially when children are really young), but to raise a self-competent child, it is important to teach the child to critically overthink rules and to understand the value in the rules, rather than following them out of fear of punishment.
Never changeThis is the problem when you retool your education system to tailor to girls. All of a sudden the metrics are based around the girl as the ideal child. Couple this with equality dogma and you destroy your masculinity. Destroy your masculinity and there’s no one left to man the gates. Next thing you know, all the good little empathetic girls have opened those gates to a hoard of barbarians. Or, in the case of your country (Germany), a hoard of refugees. Enjoy your impending third world country, you weeping vagina.
PSA: spank your boys so they don’t turn out like Yoshi.
*snivelling bleating*