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Metal Gear Solid 4 Guns of The Patriots 2.0 |OT| Kept you waiting, huh?
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Visuals are fine, but my god, the script and direction...
RyanardoDaVinci
Member
Going for the Chicken Run now, and goddamn is it boring. Gnyargh. Over 35 hours is just silly really. I am so used to going through the whole game in about 3 hours.
Just got inside Advent Palace. Racked up around 300 kills, 100 Alerts and over 50 healing items used. Saving my continues until the Act 3 boss fight, or maybe Act 5 one.
This run goes against my whole philosophy of the Metal Gear games. Hah!
Just got inside Advent Palace. Racked up around 300 kills, 100 Alerts and over 50 healing items used. Saving my continues until the Act 3 boss fight, or maybe Act 5 one.
This run goes against my whole philosophy of the Metal Gear games. Hah!
StunandStab
Member
Ahhhhhgh I think I'll do one more play through today maybe but Darksiders II is coming out on Tuesday so this Plat is going to have to wait for a bit 
Ein Bear
Member
It works on both, yeah.
I dunno if you caught my post on the last page, but it doesn't have to be on 50 seperate guys either. If you find someone by themselves, you can syringe them, wake them up and syringe them again 50 times and you'll get the emblem. Can do the same for the hold-up/shake down emblems too.
Best place for the Bee emblem is Act 3 on top of
Drebins APC
Did see it.
Did it on the same Militia guy over and over. And did the hold up and shake down on a sniper earlier.But yeah, quite curious about the Ant one. I did hold up an enemy, and then searched him a little without stunning him. Then the "Search"-prompt showed up again, and I pressed it. Or do I need to hold knock them out everytime and repeat?
I found the area RIGHT before Advent Palace to be super good for this. Just go over to the Militia side, run up to where they spawn, grab one, and just keep being there, shielded by a wall.
Impossible to get hit. And he can't die from a stray bullet either.
Ein Bear
Member
Did see it.
But yeah, quite curious about the Ant one. I did hold up an enemy, and then searched him a little without stunning him. Then the "Search"-prompt showed up again, and I pressed it. Or do I need to hold knock them out everytime and repeat?
I'm not 100% sure on what the game actually counts as a 'search'. To be safe, when I did it, I did the full shake down every time, ending in the crotch squeezing knock-out, before waking the guy up and starting again. That poor guy's crotch must have been pulverised by the end...
Canis lupus
Member
Nah, just grab ANY enemy and inject the syringe 50 times in that one (just grab him, equip syringe and press triangle 50 times). It works.
Wait, it does count that way?
Did try that at first. Just grabbed him, and kept pressing Triangle. Then I figured that probably didn't count and did it slowly.
Fuck. Well, I've got the Bee emblem at least twice now then. Hurrah. Just hoping for Ant and Gibbon then.
SolidusDave
Member
I remember here someone said for Bear you also just have to repeatedly get them into a chokehold?
For Bear the description often even says "killed in chokehold".
Does just the act of the grabbing already count or do you have to make them pass out, then wake up and repeat?
If it does, it would basically be the number of CQCs during the Briefing, assuming you didn't use throws etc. Matched with what I counted but I don't know if just CQC is enough for Bear emblem.
Man, if only they released the Snake Eater iPod song via password
edit: oh and for the body search:
I held up one of the sniper couples, they are kneeling and will lay down on the ground when you point your gun at them. I then killed one and repeatedly searched the other guy, there is no ball-grab during this so you don't have to wake them up in between.
For Bear the description often even says "killed in chokehold".
Does just the act of the grabbing already count or do you have to make them pass out, then wake up and repeat?
If it does, it would basically be the number of CQCs during the Briefing, assuming you didn't use throws etc. Matched with what I counted but I don't know if just CQC is enough for Bear emblem.
Man, if only they released the Snake Eater iPod song via password
edit: oh and for the body search:
I held up one of the sniper couples, they are kneeling and will lay down on the ground when you point your gun at them. I then killed one and repeatedly searched the other guy, there is no ball-grab during this so you don't have to wake them up in between.
Got the majority of the trophies out of the way, although I'm assuming I have missed some flashbacks. In Act 4 now, doing the crawling/rolling/chaff grenade mining. Speaking of, how do the grenades respawn on the Heliport? Do I have to quit out of the game? I've tried pretty much everything else....
Itchy//Tasty
Member
I played through this game about eight times when it came out, and only now with this trophy patch is there a bunch of stuff I noticed for the first time. Thought I might list them for your interest, some are details that are easily missed, some are just things I view differently now.
-The MKIII can knock on specific walls in Act 4. Definitely the Scarab room before the Rex Hangar, there's two very specific walls it can knock on to lure the patrolling Scarab away. I also noticed for the first time all the Scarabs jump out of the trapdoor when there's alert, and they all leap back in when the alert ends.
- Blinding enemies with the flashlight. Not as useful as it could be, but I'm glad the flashlight add-on actually had some use. Also learnt about CQC disarms, but only managed to make it work once, might go back and try to master it.
- I properly went and found some of the camera ghosts in Act 4 for the trophy, and didn't even know about the girl posters!
- The gun under the truck in Act 4 is the SOCOM, with a different name. Pointing it makes Snake say 'just like old times', and the suppressor is in the same room as it was in MGS1.
- hearing MGS1 music behind a specific door in Act 3; just found out about that.
- Putting on Beauty camo in Act 3 and getting a comment from the resistance guy. Also holding up and robbing the guy.
- In Act 1, the bit when Meryl finds out about Campbell and has a hissy fit. After she throws the chair you hear the sound of SOP kicking in, and she sits down all calm. Emotion control.
- Meryl and her boys didn't have the slightest clue the Patriots exist, throughout the entire game. They're completely in the dark about what's really going on. Snake just stays calm and just takes all her bullshit in Act 3's opening.
- When Meryl and Johnny hook up, the way they fight becomes even more asynchronous then the team was when SOP was active. Kind of a comment on how teamwork can come naturally through comradeship, doesn't have to be forced by technology. Meryl ultimately learns that they're all better off without the system, something she swore by in Act 1.
- All the soldiers have emotions that they carry into battle, like the Cobra unit, as denoted by the colour when you analyse them. I think this dictates how they act when you rob them etc, correct me if I'm wrong.
- Escorting the tank in Act 1, you can ignore the conflict and take a path over the wire fence by climbing a ladder, or help win the battle and the rebels move the wire for you.
- I'd never before heard the "Snake, you're....THE SHIT" rant from Otacon in Act 4.
- You can hide from Vamp in the fight against him using octocamo. Hiding and then sniping him is pretty satisfying, feels like the way Snake would do it.
- You can try firing the railgun up at Vamp and Raiden when they're having their knife fight. Snake can't shoot though, in a callback to MGS1. "It's no good...I can't do it!"
- In the briefings, the MKII can flick the remote on the table to turn the channel from Campbell to some asian model. You can also try electrocuting the chickens.
- Didn't know about the Ocelot kiss in the final battle. :O
- In act 3's chase scene, the camera angles are all really cinematic and dynamic if you don't participate. Before I was in third or first person mode constantly, but if you almost go hands-free and just enjoy the default angles it's really, astonishingly well made.
- when you bust into the Vista Mansion in Act 2, I can no longer do it without turning the iPod to Solid Snake's Theme from MGII. Awesome theme, try it.
- if you get spotted by Scarab's in Act 4's Tank Hangar, the Gekko from the beginning part comes all the way into the base to hunt you.
- all the evasion music in the game is fucking awesome!
- Didn't know you could CQC with the syringe, amazingly.
- Never got the corpse camo until this playthrough.
- I realised only recently before the patch about the scarabs in the trench that follow you in Act 3, but didn't see them myself until this playthrough. Amazing. It doesn't always seem to happen though, I don't know what conditions affect it.
-The MKIII can knock on specific walls in Act 4. Definitely the Scarab room before the Rex Hangar, there's two very specific walls it can knock on to lure the patrolling Scarab away. I also noticed for the first time all the Scarabs jump out of the trapdoor when there's alert, and they all leap back in when the alert ends.
- Blinding enemies with the flashlight. Not as useful as it could be, but I'm glad the flashlight add-on actually had some use. Also learnt about CQC disarms, but only managed to make it work once, might go back and try to master it.
- I properly went and found some of the camera ghosts in Act 4 for the trophy, and didn't even know about the girl posters!
- The gun under the truck in Act 4 is the SOCOM, with a different name. Pointing it makes Snake say 'just like old times', and the suppressor is in the same room as it was in MGS1.
- hearing MGS1 music behind a specific door in Act 3; just found out about that.
- Putting on Beauty camo in Act 3 and getting a comment from the resistance guy. Also holding up and robbing the guy.
- In Act 1, the bit when Meryl finds out about Campbell and has a hissy fit. After she throws the chair you hear the sound of SOP kicking in, and she sits down all calm. Emotion control.
- Meryl and her boys didn't have the slightest clue the Patriots exist, throughout the entire game. They're completely in the dark about what's really going on. Snake just stays calm and just takes all her bullshit in Act 3's opening.
- When Meryl and Johnny hook up, the way they fight becomes even more asynchronous then the team was when SOP was active. Kind of a comment on how teamwork can come naturally through comradeship, doesn't have to be forced by technology. Meryl ultimately learns that they're all better off without the system, something she swore by in Act 1.
- All the soldiers have emotions that they carry into battle, like the Cobra unit, as denoted by the colour when you analyse them. I think this dictates how they act when you rob them etc, correct me if I'm wrong.
- Escorting the tank in Act 1, you can ignore the conflict and take a path over the wire fence by climbing a ladder, or help win the battle and the rebels move the wire for you.
- I'd never before heard the "Snake, you're....THE SHIT" rant from Otacon in Act 4.
- You can hide from Vamp in the fight against him using octocamo. Hiding and then sniping him is pretty satisfying, feels like the way Snake would do it.
- You can try firing the railgun up at Vamp and Raiden when they're having their knife fight. Snake can't shoot though, in a callback to MGS1. "It's no good...I can't do it!"
- In the briefings, the MKII can flick the remote on the table to turn the channel from Campbell to some asian model. You can also try electrocuting the chickens.
- Didn't know about the Ocelot kiss in the final battle. :O
- In act 3's chase scene, the camera angles are all really cinematic and dynamic if you don't participate. Before I was in third or first person mode constantly, but if you almost go hands-free and just enjoy the default angles it's really, astonishingly well made.
- when you bust into the Vista Mansion in Act 2, I can no longer do it without turning the iPod to Solid Snake's Theme from MGII. Awesome theme, try it.
- if you get spotted by Scarab's in Act 4's Tank Hangar, the Gekko from the beginning part comes all the way into the base to hunt you.
- all the evasion music in the game is fucking awesome!
- Didn't know you could CQC with the syringe, amazingly.
- Never got the corpse camo until this playthrough.
- I realised only recently before the patch about the scarabs in the trench that follow you in Act 3, but didn't see them myself until this playthrough. Amazing. It doesn't always seem to happen though, I don't know what conditions affect it.
it says killed in chokehold.
So of course you need to kill them. Which also means one kill per enemy
And it also makes sense. A bear wouldn't just grab you and let go right afterwards.
I think it works this way. Area A -> Area B -> Area C -> items will respawn in Area A.
Which means go through hangar, go down using the elevator. Then go up again, through hangar and chaff grenades should have respawned at heliport. Of course this is a huge waste of time, so doing it on BBE is not recommended (and you would also have to pass hangar twice).
The One Who Knocks
Member
it says killed in chokehold.
So of course you need to kill them. Which also means one kill per enemy
And it also makes sense. A bear wouldn't just grab you and let go right afterwards.
I think it works this way. Area A -> Area B -> Area C -> items will respawn in Area A.
Which means go through hangar, go down using the elevator. Then go up again, through hangar and chaff grenades should have respawned at heliport. Of course this is a huge waste of time, so doing it on BBE is not recommended (and you would also have to pass hangar twice).
Surprisingly this isn't actually the case: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=40838175#post40838175
And that is kind of correct. Instead of going down the elevator you simply pass into the Snowfield and run back. It can be seen here from the original post: https://youtube.com/watch?v=PrXBMb1EGoU. Likewise from there, it is worth noting that The Boss Extreme has a limit of ten Chaff Grenades so if you're doing the Big Boss Emblem next it may be worth only getting 16 as opposed to a very large number.
Temporary Edit:
They do indeed carry over. As long as you use the same Save, you're all set.
indigo-cyclops
Member
Did anyone catch the credit "In-Game Paintings: Masahiro Ito" ? Wonder what exactly they're referring to.
Did not know Octocamo works on Vamp.
Lots of good stuff to keep in mind for my next playthrough, thanks
Shadow2222
Member
I seriously never knew this. The amount of easter eggs in this game is ridiculous.
Really?
That's interesting.
Although google says "defeat using chokeholds". So this means CQC into chokehold and then letting them pass-out is enough? Still quite time consuming, because you will need to wake them up afterwards. Or does chokeholding and letting them go without them passing out is fine?
I imagine the paintings that line the Vista Mansion in act 2 were by him; they definitely give off the same vibe as his work on SH.
Ein Bear
Member
These are all seriously great. Had never noticed any of that before, the attention to detail in this game is amazing!
The One Who Knocks
Member
No idea. Based upon how the post is worded I have to assume simply grabbing them is fine but I cannot be certain since I had done it by killing the enemies with the chokehold.
Also, Snake's character model still looks absolutely incredible after all this time. Admittedly some of the animations could have been improved but I really like how good the characters look in both the gameplay and the cutscenes. Even after four years they still hold up incredibly well.
SolidusDave
Member
Yeah that's what I was wondering. I googled some more and you can find some pre-trophy-patch posts saying you really just need successful CQC chokehold grabs for the Bear emblem.
Defeat as in defeating them in hand-to-hand-combat apparently.
Oh well, I'll report back if we won't have a confirmation by then.
Would be good because it's much faster but also as I said you can then track it roughly via the number of CQCs if you don't do throws etc.
zerokoolpsx
Member
Didn't know Octocamo works on Vamp. I heard the Sunlight gun takes him out in 1 shot. Gonna do it on BBE.
I never heard of Otacon's rant until last playthrough either. I think he uses the word, "badass."
Professor Beef
Banned
In case they haven't been mentioned already:
- you can wear the Laughing Octopus facecamo during Act 3, and the guards won't bother you/go on alert as long as you're not doing anything obviously suspicious.
- this only works on a New Game+, but if you equip the Sorrow Doll (or whichever one is the non-lethal doll) and the camera, you can see the ghosts in Act 4 without having to snap a picture first.
- In case it wasn't obvious, you can use the Mk.III to electrocute the floor when coming back from Otacon's lab to kill the Gekko there.
- If you manage to hold up a Frog soldier and search her...don't complete the search.
- you can wear the Laughing Octopus facecamo during Act 3, and the guards won't bother you/go on alert as long as you're not doing anything obviously suspicious.
- this only works on a New Game+, but if you equip the Sorrow Doll (or whichever one is the non-lethal doll) and the camera, you can see the ghosts in Act 4 without having to snap a picture first.
- In case it wasn't obvious, you can use the Mk.III to electrocute the floor when coming back from Otacon's lab to kill the Gekko there.
- If you manage to hold up a Frog soldier and search her...don't complete the search.
So if you guys are following the guide for the "I am THE expert on weapons" trophy from PS3Trophies.org, I just thought I should mention something that'll save you some DP.
The "only" part is incorrect.
The FGM-148 Javelin can be found in Act 1 in the area where the militiamen bring in the tank. It's on the roof of the building that you can access by climbing the tall ladder in the back alley.
The FIM-92A Stinger can be found in Act 2 at the power station. You have to make your way to the back and climb the substation ladder and then shimmy across on a wire extending to the adjacent substation that is otherwise inaccessible from the ground.
Just a heads up. If anyone has an account on PS3Trophies.org, it would be great if you could inform ZOLANTON to update that section of his guide too.
The "only" part is incorrect.
The FGM-148 Javelin can be found in Act 1 in the area where the militiamen bring in the tank. It's on the roof of the building that you can access by climbing the tall ladder in the back alley.
The FIM-92A Stinger can be found in Act 2 at the power station. You have to make your way to the back and climb the substation ladder and then shimmy across on a wire extending to the adjacent substation that is otherwise inaccessible from the ground.
Just a heads up. If anyone has an account on PS3Trophies.org, it would be great if you could inform ZOLANTON to update that section of his guide too.
Pai Pai Master
Banned
Probably the MGS3 paintings in the chapel when you're talking to Big Momma.
StunandStab
Member
There were also MGS1 and MGS2 paintings... and I think a Portable Ops painting as well?
Those paintings were also all on a wall in the Hazard House in MGO... I have pictures of them
Ah, my favorite boss fight completed again. I just wish it was a little bit harder. I am, of course, talking about REX vs. RAY. One you learn to just ram the heck out of RAY, though, it kind of becomes a pushover. (Pun not really intended at first, but now it is.) Still, fun fight, this is Metal Gear Solid boss fights when it's best. The trophy is amusing in the fight, too. Press Triangle to "LIQUID!" Just that final touch to make the fight a little more epic.
I really have no idea on how to get through the Scarab rooms undetected in Act 4, though. But on the plus side, +50 DP per Scarab. And I have a grenade launcher. Stealthy? No. Amusing? Yes.
I really have no idea on how to get through the Scarab rooms undetected in Act 4, though. But on the plus side, +50 DP per Scarab. And I have a grenade launcher. Stealthy? No. Amusing? Yes.
Yes, but you could also use any other beauty camo. You may even use otacon camo. Or campbell camo. All of them work. I used otacon camo.
Just a heads up. If anyone has an account on PS3Trophies.org, it would be great if you could inform ZOLANTON to update that section of his guide too.
Just wrote a private message.
Dick Justice
Banned
He actually does say "You're... you're the shit!"
Also, here are the paintings shown in the Church. Snake in the MGS2 one looks insanely creepy. Also, EVA in the MGS3 ones.
StunandStab
Member
I just equipped the Patriot, turned on auto aim, held down L1 and R1 and let the game play itself for the bike chase... lol. I didn't watch the thing, I read GAF while it was all happening.
On easiest mode, you can just do nothing and will still pass. I read GAF during those as well hah
LiquidSolid
Member
Platinum done. Act 1 and 2 are still fun even after all 8 playthroughs but oh god, I hate Act 3 and 5.
StunandStab
Member
Haha, I figured. If you need kills, though, it's a great way to get them.
I just have 3 more playthroughs to do: Jaguar, Panther, and Leopard. I've been doing them in order so far, but I think I'll save Panther for last, since I can just go nuts in that one and not farm anything.
Dick Justice
Banned
Can't wait for the 30th, though then again, I doubt they'll want to overshadow Revengeance.
Professor Beef
Banned
Actually, it only gets easier past the first two acts.
They certainly do make it harder to kill someone past act 2.
Syph Medwes
Member
God I can't wait to replay this game.
ok, i reached the rat patrol rendevouz area. i will go for the plat, but i'm trying to enjoy this playthrough the most. searching every nook and cranny, just taking my time.
the only thing i will care is to watch all the flashbacks... and try to kill the few guys i can. till now it's pretty awesome.
the only thing i will care is to watch all the flashbacks... and try to kill the few guys i can. till now it's pretty awesome.
StunandStab
Member
Good idea except the "You enjoy all the killing... that's why!" flashback won't activate while you are on the turret. You'll have to get off the turret and get another kill to activate the flashback
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