I see. Makes much more sense. Appreciate the clarification, fellas.
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I see. Makes much more sense. Appreciate the clarification, fellas.
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Åesop
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Well, a couple of years later Kaz describes Big Boss as "a monster" in front of Solid Snake. So something bad must have happened, which leads Master Miller into leaving his old friend
Eppy Thatcher
God's had his chance.
Don't really care about Hayter. Whoever they get to do the voice (Old BB voice from 4 right?) will be good. Liked it before. And Keifer is a baus so it's all good...
I am just too hyped to cry about some voice actor. Absolutely doesn't matter at all. The GAME looks sexy and crazy as all holy hell. I am there day 1.
Bummer it's in two different parts tho. Was hoping they were talking about a MGS2 kind of situation. But..i'm a sucker so I'll pay for both if they ask me too.
Can't wait to go wander around as Big Boss and just tranq fools for fun.
I am just too hyped to cry about some voice actor. Absolutely doesn't matter at all. The GAME looks sexy and crazy as all holy hell. I am there day 1.
Bummer it's in two different parts tho. Was hoping they were talking about a MGS2 kind of situation. But..i'm a sucker so I'll pay for both if they ask me too.
Can't wait to go wander around as Big Boss and just tranq fools for fun.
Graphics Horse
Member
Well the majority of the Tanker chapter was for sale bundled with a free game. Seems Konami just want some of that Z.O.E. money without having to make Z.O.E.
SpartanForce
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Yeah I remember this. But is also on the Metal Gear 1 or 2 wiki that Big Boss lost his eye on the 80's. Is a fuck up plot and storyline and Kojima is always changing. So it could happen nothing to lead Master Miller to leave Big Boss.Åesop;51998268 said:
What are everyone's expectations for an open world MGS? I'm assuming that it won't be open in the same vein as GTA or RDR. I'm hoping for a tight, complex, and intricate world, sort of like the Dark Souls map. A large compound, like the Big Shell on steroids, that the player will learn organically throughout the game. Kojima is meticulous as hell, and has stated that MGSV will not be as cutscene heavy, so I'm expecting there to be plenty of narrative woven into the environment.
Given that Kojima has stated that MGSV will reboot the series' gameplay and not rely as heavily on stealth as other offerings, I have doubts that this will be the case. I can dream though.
Given that Kojima has stated that MGSV will reboot the series' gameplay and not rely as heavily on stealth as other offerings, I have doubts that this will be the case. I can dream though.
call it a dry retcon, I guarantee you that Kojima had 2nd thoughts about what he did with liquid possessing Ocelot. The whole thing wreaks of "oh God what have I done...let me fix this real quick"
Can't wait to see what they come up with.
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
Yeah there is no way that Kojima wasn't thinking literal "possession" with the arm thing in MGS2.
LongDongJunon
Member
This is fucking HILARIOUS
Åesop;51998268 said:
Or he simply chose Zero's side instead at that point. In PW he's more interested in money than friends. And to be fair, Kojima already retconned many things from MG1 and MG2. Miller wasn't Japanese back then either.
Miller was already dealing with Zero in Peace Walker. He admits to Snake the he was working for Zero for the cash but doesn't admit that he knows about the Les Enfants Terribles project.
giancarlo123x
Banned
But I murdered him in one of my playthroughs.
Little Old Man
Member
Can we just go through this again.
Ocelot originally was a member of the Patriots, then left in secret, remaining as a double agent with the aim of destroying the patriots, and putting in place Big Boss' vision of the world right?
What did Liquid want exactly? What the Patriots did? His own particular ideal world?
Why was Ocelot required to 'pretend' to the Patriots to be controlled by Liquid in MGS4?
What did Liquid want exactly? What the Patriots did? His own particular ideal world?
Why was Ocelot required to 'pretend' to the Patriots to be controlled by Liquid in MGS4?
Callo Merlose
Banned
You can kill Johnny Sasaki in MGS1.
Why is he using the NV goggles at daytime? Or was this created just to show his hair color?
SnakeLinkSonic
Member
They were showing off how the lighting system works in the engine.
Makes sense. Thanks.
Dick Justice
Banned
Liquid had daddy issues, and wanted to surpass Big Boss. He's also jealous of Snake for robbing him of the chance to kill BB himself.
SpartanForce
Member
Here we go.
Ocelot got the second piece of the PL in the ending of portable ops, and yeah he got off the patriots and joined big boss. he was a double agent in a lot of stuff, I mean a LOT. In mgs1 he works for Solidus that later wanted to destroy the patriots. Liquid wanted hell on earth or some shit, or just fight Solid. Or he was just a pawn of Ocelot. The Patriots with they AI control the world and stuff. Zero bla-bla-bla whikas sachê.
Ocelot had to pretend to be Liquid for the patriots not to discover his plan that was to help Solid with some stupid bullshit plot-line to end the patriots with the mgs 4 ending.
He wanted Big Boss view of anarchy and freedom of militia and stuff. The end.
Ocelot had to pretend to be Liquid for the patriots not to discover his plan that was to help Solid with some stupid bullshit plot-line to end the patriots with the mgs 4 ending.
He wanted Big Boss view of anarchy and freedom of militia and stuff. The end.
Enter The 36 Chambers
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Wow its coming to 360? Very surprising. Never played a MGS game do will probably pick it up.
Just hope its not cutscene heavy like the other games have been described.
Just hope its not cutscene heavy like the other games have been described.
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
MG Rising and MG HD Collection recently came out for 360, so I'd say it's not surprising to many of us.
And MGS2 came out for the OG Xbox back in the day, too.
Gouda Jouji
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Solid and Liquid Snake would be 11/12 years old when The Phantom Pain takes place.
SpartanForce
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Callibretto
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Fucking metal gear 1 and 2 remake confirmed!!!Åesop;51993918 said:
Speedwagon
Michelangelo painted the Sistine Chapel. Yabuki turned off voice chat in Mario Kart races. True artists of their time.
The bandaged guy is Kojima.
Åesop;51993918 said:
God damn it. I'm running out of shelves to put all the Metal Gear/Kojima shit lol.
Hopefully they aren't as awful as the last 5 games.
You can't see nanomachines and Patriots without them.
MGS4.. snake ages at an accelerated rate.
matrix-cat
Member
Day ZERO
Not really. He aged normally until his late thirties/early forties, then it all started coming undone. He was engineered with a certain lifespan, so his body just ran out all at once.
I wish you could do the same in mgs4
Byakuya769
Member
Then he would have stayed a young man for over 20 years.
I think this would have been a bigger realization at a younger age if the acceleration showed up early, haha.
Speedwagon
Michelangelo painted the Sistine Chapel. Yabuki turned off voice chat in Mario Kart races. True artists of their time.
Well, this game does seem to have some implication about the subject of children in war.
hydrophilic attack
Member
Because he was engineered to have shortened telomeres. The accelerated ageing wouldn't manifest until his telomeres were about to "run out". Which didn't happen until sometime in between MGS2 and MGS4.
I.e. his accelerated ageing would not cause him to age quicker when he was young.
nanomachines.
he wanted nanomachines.
they did the nanomachines.
an ideal world within nanomachines, yes.
because of the nanomachines.
matrix-cat
Member
You forgot The Pyx and SOP. The System, etc. Oh, and GW. Y'see, there was this wolf, and it was eating all the babies, only it was the giiirl.
The retcons have gotten out of hand enough as it is. Last thing I'd want is for some child soldier plot to be shoehorned into Solid Snake's backstory.
hydrophilic attack
Member
I've never really gotten the NANOMACHINES! meme. At least not the notion that NANOMACHINES! were overused in MGS4, compared to the earlier games in the series.
Nanomachines were always very important in the MGS games (except 3). For example, most of the first MGS game's story revolved around Foxdie. Which was a nanomachine.
MGS4 had a lot of cheese and silly stuff. But nanomachines was far from one of the worst of the problems of its plot.
Nanomachines were always very important in the MGS games (except 3). For example, most of the first MGS game's story revolved around Foxdie. Which was a nanomachine.
MGS4 had a lot of cheese and silly stuff. But nanomachines was far from one of the worst of the problems of its plot.
Sir Ilpalazzo
Member
Liquid wanted the same thing Big Boss did, just for different reasons.
Ocelot made himself into Liquid to create a situation where the Patriots would send Snake against him so he could trick Snake into destroying the Patriots.
Ocelot made himself into Liquid to create a situation where the Patriots would send Snake against him so he could trick Snake into destroying the Patriots.
matrix-cat
Member
I think it's mostly about the Vamp revelation, which made the game feel like someone had just attacked the script with a red 'NANOMACHINES' stamp. Naomi, how did he heal like that? Nanomachines. Oh, but why was he all creepy and grey? Yeah, his nanomachines were wearing out. How did he... walk on wat- Nanomachines, right.
Wasn't Naomi also keeping her never-before-mentioned cancer at bay with nanomachines, too? And then using nanomachines to suppress her cancer-suppressing nanomachines?
You know, outside of a handful of timeline related retcons, ones that come solely from an individuals perspective, and extremely minor ones from MG1 and MG2, I've yet to see any sort of comprehensive list of really damning retcons. Until I do, statements like there are just hot air.
That being said, if anyone can point me to a list I would be grateful!
that comes later.
keltickennedy
Member
I am for the theory that Ishmal, the guy in the bandages isn't real. He is a sort of extension of Big Boss's psyche. Helping him get out of the hospital that is under attack. A couple things have be thinking this. Firstly, the first words he speaks, "Get up solider" and "I have been by your side for 9 years". Also both voices seem to be voiced by Kiefer Sutherland. Secondly there is that moment in the hallway to the elevator with little Psycho Mantis, where he sets the hallway on fire. You see that Ishmal catches on fire and Boss is fine. This could represent Mantis trying to attack that part of Big Boss's mind. And lastly when Ocelot shows up Ishmal is now gone.
Of course this is just a theory. God...Can't wait till E3 to see more!
matrix-cat
Member
I'd also like to see a list, because the only ones I can really remember are Dr Clark being referred to as a 'he' at some point in MGS1 and then turning out to be
Para Medic
I think people throw around the word retcon too liberally. I don't think something like
the Patriots being the MGS3 crew
I don't think his current backstory is too far off from a child soldier, since before his birth his purpose was battle. Then he "spent his early life being raised and taught by a variety of foster parents," I assume in some patriot/cipher facilities and stuff. Just, not really experiencing a regular childhood, overall. But I think the child soldier theme will also include big boss in africa, a la metal gear 2 and those children all throughout the facility. BB's talk of the cycle of rescuing them from war and feeding them back into it, among other things. A lot of characters in that universe are kinda stuck in a loop, just can't escape the battlefield... I guess it's the purest form in which they express who they are and what they believe in
SnakeLinkSonic
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Yeah, there should definitely be an established definition for what the term actually is before taking any list seriously. Every time I read some fan (and sometimes non-fans) ranting, they either didn't pay attention to the game, or can't tell the difference between the term retcon and just plain bad writing.
youngplaya21
Member
I'm hoping Kojima does another trailer like the "Beauty and the Beast" one for MGS4. I still cant believe how many times I've seen that trailer. The main draw for me has always been the bosses, and I think he's off to a good start with the soulless ginger kid and ghost rider.