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[kenjigreat]

The story goes the MGS4 was going to be really nihilistic and depressing, but the rest of KojiPro pressured him into making it more heartwarming and uplifting. We all would have cried either way, but the tears we got were happy tears instead of "this is the most horrible thing I've ever seen" tears. It seems like we'll be getting those with MGSV.

So my impression of Skullface from this trailer is that he's basically Ocelot 2.0, working for Zero/the Patriots but secretly aligning himself with Big Boss and eventually mounting his own insurrection. That explains why he starts as an enemy and becomes an ally. Sound about right?

It makes more sense for Big Boss to be the Nihilistic one since Snake is more about saving the world .

From Metal Gear Solid 3 to Peace Walker , Big Boss is never really a Savior.

 

[SomTervo]

The story goes the MGS4 was going to be really nihilistic and depressing, but the rest of KojiPro pressured him into making it more heartwarming and uplifting. We all would have cried either way, but the tears we got were happy tears instead of "this is the most horrible thing I've ever seen" tears. It seems like we'll be getting those with MGSV.

So my impression of Skullface from this trailer is that he's basically Ocelot 2.0, working for Zero/the Patriots but secretly aligning himself with Big Boss and eventually mounting his own insurrection. That explains why he starts as an enemy and becomes an ally. Sound about right?

Sounds good, but I don't think Skullface will ever really be an ally? I think his goals may align superficially with Big Boss's, but that his methods will be so different Big Boss will resent him. Also, more importantly, the only moments we've seen where they really interact are when Skullface is a hallucination (with the phantom mask on).

[Edit: Also, I think Zero and Skullface are enemies. I think Skullface is basically a misanthrope, but that Zero is a controller. Skullface wants to see the world burn, but Zero wants to control everyone. Enemies (this is also clear from Ground Zeroes' cassette tapes, Skullface wants to find and kill Zero) who Big Boss is in the midst of.]

I think a nihilistic MGS4 would have been amazing.

 

[Dick Justice]

I'm just demonstrating how ridiculous it is to get angry at a games ending. It was the perfect example.

The most outraged fanbase couldn't change the ending.

I assume you missed the whole patched ending thing?

 

[kenjigreat]

I assume you missed the whole patched ending thing?

The

Spoiler

Star Child

is still in the game . I'm still angry over that ending. I know its super silly . I just avoid the game even though I'd say its not bad.

Bioware still wanted to keep their 'artistic' vision . I'm like whatever I give up.

Debating ending is pointless.

Either you are satisfied with it or you aren't.

 

[digitaltrance]

Here is a pretty good summary of the Metal Gear story. It helps put the timeline, story, characters and games into perceptive, as I know it can be VERY confusing.

Reddit: http://www.reddit.com/r/Games/comments/2050xm/metal_gear_the_complete_story/

 

[Wolkenballer]

Skull Face's speech about linguistics is really similar to the linguistic hacking in Neal Stephenson's Snow Crash.

Also check this out:

Bicameralism (the philosophy of "two-chamberedness") is a hypothesis in psychology that argues that the human mind once assumed a state in which cognitive functions were divided between one part of the brain which appears to be "speaking", and a second part which listens and obeys—a bicameral mind.

Theory:
Zero tries to control mankind via linguistic hacking, Skull Face tries to destroy language to stop him.

 

[Juicy Bob]

Maybe the Paz in GZ wasn't the same Paz that we saw in PW and the Paz in this trailer is?

 

[Daria]

I don't know what else you wanna see in the gameplay. We've seen quite a bit.

Valid point. Maybe I'm better off just waiting until release so I can play it myself to fully get an idea on the size of this game and what it has to offer.

 

[Gun Animal]

Sounds good, but I don't think Skullface will ever really be an ally? I think his goals may align superficially with Big Boss's, but that his methods will be so different Big Boss will resent him. Also, more importantly, the only moments we've seen where they really interact are when Skullface is a hallucination (with the phantom mask on).

[Edit: Also, I think Zero and Skullface are enemies. I think Skullface is basically a misanthrope, but that Zero is a controller. Skullface wants to see the world burn, but Zero wants to control everyone. Enemies (this is also clear from Ground Zeroes' cassette tapes, Skullface wants to find and kill Zero) who Big Boss is in the midst of.]

I think a nihilistic MGS4 would have been amazing.

I don't buy that Skullface is ever a hallucination. He's ALWAYS wearing the mask in everything from TPP we've seen, so that's not an indication of anything... I think he just enjoys the dramatic flair, like Ocelot who dresses/acts like he's in a western for no reason. I do think that he's meant to be a twisted reflection of Big Boss who influences his behavior, not unlike Gene from PO.

 

[TwoDurans]

Perhaps Miller isn't blind, his eyes just got messed up somehow. MAYBE this is Kojima explaining that he actually needs his glasses instead of him just trying to look cool.

 

[NoFoX]

"America is a country of liberty. A meeting of immigrants. Instead of simply assimilating its citizens live alongside others"

He's defining multiculturalism. I think using America as an example here is erroneous.

We'll know his point sooner or later.
But in the end it's a matter of opinion, thats for sure.

EDIT:
No words needed
USA founded 239 years ago of which 222 are at war.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_United_States_military_operations

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Treading on thin ice, i know

Is this meant to pertain to what I posted? The war part?

Because of the first quote.
For me it doesn't look that "wrong".

 

[NoblesseOblige]

Perhaps Miller isn't blind, his eyes just got messed up somehow. MAYBE this is Kojima explaining that he actually needs his glasses instead of him just trying to look cool.

Miller is actually a Warg. He can channel sight through DD. This is also why it's mentioned he lives in Alaska with huskies in MGS1.

Spoiler

Yes I'm totally making stuff up.

 

[SomTervo]

I don't buy that Skullface is ever a hallucination. He's ALWAYS wearing the mask in everything from TPP we've seen, so that's not an indication of anything... I think he just enjoys the dramatic flair, like Ocelot who dresses/acts like he's in a western for no reason. I do think that he's meant to be a twisted reflection of Big Boss who influences his behavior, not unlike Gene from PO.

Well... I partially agree. The main detriments to your argument are:

A) He appears in places that make no sense in several of the trailers. On Snake's chopper, on Mother Base. And whenever he appears without the mask (eg in Ground Zeroes), he is clearly real and being villainous, talking to people around him, etc.

B) We know Snake will hallucinate stuff and it will mess with him.

C) There's the bit at the end of the long trailer where Snake is standing on Mother Base main platform with no one behind him. The camera pans left, and Snake glances behind him to see the newly appeared Skullface. Then Snake turns back and tugs on a cigar. When the camera pans right again, Skullface is gone behind Snake's other shoulder. Fully suggesting Snake saw the hallucination of Skullface and tried to ignore him.

Maybe your right, though. I guess he's always masked in the TPP stuff, although I'm not sure he was back in the original trailers.

I also don't buy at all that Skullface will die at some point. People really jumped to that conclusion.

 

[Screaming Meat]

You're post is spot on. I agree with all your points. America is a melting pot with many races and cultures. But mostly, people adopt the values of the country and consider themselves American. Many, as you mentioned, retain there cultural identity. When I brought up multiculturalism, I'm referring to immigration where people do not at all participate and adopt the values and traditions of the country they migrated to.

You also make a good point about the translation. I hadn't thought about that.

Ah, okay. I see what you mean. There's definitely room for disputing Kojima's take, but I don't think it's an unfair description.

Like, if you consider the fact he's talking from a Japanese perspective, a country that you could argue has been (almost fervently) mono-cultured for centuries, America can seem like a big multicultural melting pot (like you mentioned).

It'll be interesting to see where he goes with that. It's probably the nicest thing he's said about the US in the entire series

 

[TwoDurans]

Well... I partially agree. The main detriments to your argument are:

A) He appears in places that make no sense in several of the trailers. On Snake's chopper, on Mother Base. And whenever he appears without the mask (eg in Ground Zeroes), he is clearly real and being villainous, talking to people around him, etc.

B) We know Snake will hallucinate stuff and it will mess with him.

C) There's the bit at the end of the long trailer where Snake is standing on Mother Base main platform with no one behind him. The camera pans left, and Snake glances behind him to see the newly appeared Skullface. Then Snake turns back and tugs on a cigar. When the camera pans right again, Skullface is gone behind Snake's other shoulder. Fully suggesting Snake saw the hallucination of Skullface and tried to ignore him.

Maybe your right, though. I guess he's always masked in the TPP stuff, although I'm not sure he was back in the original trailers.

I also don't buy at all that Skullface will die at some point. People really jumped to that conclusion.

We're talking about a game with a sniper that can pretty much teleport and move at superhuman speeds, right? Seems that it's far too early to speculate on SF's abilities and if he's real or not.

 

[Sevket-Erhat]

Looks like I'll go for Collectors Edition if I can find one

 

[Gun Animal]

Well... I partially agree. The main detriments to your argument are:

A) He appears in places that make no sense in several of the trailers. On Snake's chopper, on Mother Base. And whenever he appears without the mask (eg in Ground Zeroes), he is clearly real and being villainous, talking to people around him, etc.

B) We know Snake will hallucinate stuff and it will mess with him.

C) There's the bit at the end of the long trailer where Snake is standing on Mother Base main platform with no one behind him. The camera pans left, and Snake glances behind him to see the newly appeared Skullface. Then Snake turns back and tugs on a cigar. When the camera pans right again, Skullface is gone behind Snake's other shoulder. Fully suggesting Snake saw the hallucination of Skullface and tried to ignore him.

Maybe your right, though. I guess he's always masked in the TPP stuff, although I'm not sure he was back in the original trailers.

I also don't buy at all that Skullface will die at some point. People really jumped to that conclusion.

Holy shit, that's quite the smoking gun. I have no idea how to reconcile that scene now.

 

[Screaming Meat]

I also don't buy at all that Skullface will die at some point. People really jumped to that conclusion.

It's complete conjecture but I think it's because the VA said his sessions weren't all that long. The character has also done some pretty evil shit to people and been built up as an enemy/rival to Big Boss. There is certainly an air of deserving a 'comeuppance' about him (again complete conjecture, of course).

The thing that I noticed which makes me think we'll have some kind of classic MGS showdown is the guards in GZ mentioning his signature weapon "Sawed-off Lever Action Rifle". That little detail screams of foreshadowing some kind of Ocelot/Olga style boss fight to me. Again, all conjecture.

If that were true, and you can tranq him during the fight, could he (as weird as it would be) end up a buddy or even playable? The jeep ride doesn't seem like the rest of the cutscenes. It looks like it's happening in the field, so to speak. Could be nothing, of course.

 

[Persona7]

I forgot to watch this.

 

[Marty-esque]

Because of the first quote.
For me it doesn't look that "wrong".

Are we discussing the same thing? I'm confused.

 

[RedQueensAce]

Wait a second.... when Snake uncovers the wound on the African soldier's chest is he actually growing breasts? Those look like they could be fatty cells developing and they look symmetrical. There is so much weird shit going on.

 

[Gun Animal]

Wait a second.... when Snake uncovers the wound on the African soldier's chest is he actually growing breasts? Those look like they could be fatty cells developing and they look symmetrical. There is so much weird shit going on.

The way it's edited sure flames the fan theory that Quiet is transgender...

 

[Marty-esque]

Wait a second.... when Snake uncovers the wound on the African soldier's chest is he actually growing breasts? Those look like they could be fatty cells developing and they look symmetrical. There is so much weird shit going on.

I think they're too low.

 

[MiamiWesker]

A moment before that they show a stomach which has the same stitching as Paz had. Even if it turns out not be Paz, I think the association is very deliberate.

Wasn't that a montage of different med room moments, after that they showed him pulling off the sheets showing a guy with some horrible virus. I saw it as showing that you can see your soliders get injured.

Anything is possible, it just didn't look like Paz to me.

 

[giancarlo123x]

The way it's edited sure flames the fan theory that Quiet is transgender...

.... Chico??

 

[NoFoX]

Are we discussing the same thing? I'm confused.

I think i got your text wrong :3

 

[NYR94]

The whole headphones in people's bodies thing is driving me nuts. First Chico, now this guy. I wonder what's going on...mind control? Lots of focus on the power of language so it could be something like that.

 

[Betty]

The whole headphones in people's bodies thing is driving me nuts. First Chico, now this guy. I wonder what's going on...mind control? Lots of focus on the power of language so it could be something like that.

I still think Chico stabbed himself with the headphone socket as a way to punish himself for helping Skullface lure Big Boss and for what he did to Paz.

 

[dan2026]

Is Big Boss really going to be a mostly silent protagonist in this?

That seems like an odd choice to be sure.

 

[Betty]

Is Big Boss really going to be a mostly silent protagonist in this?

That seems like an odd choice to be sure.

Worked for the main character in Mad Max 2, which is what Kojima referenced when deciding.

Plus he'll talk a lot in the tapes apparently.

 

[TwoDurans]

Is Big Boss really going to be a mostly silent protagonist in this?

That seems like an odd choice to be sure.

How often would you talk if you were by yourself on a stealth mission?

 

[squadr0n]

Have they shown any gameplay at all yet to the public? Ive been gone for awhile.

 

[Screaming Meat]

Have they shown any gameplay at all yet to the public? Ive been gone for awhile.

You mean at E3 or in general? There's been 3 pretty lengthy gameplay demos and another due out soon.

Is Big Boss really going to be a mostly silent protagonist in this?

That seems like an odd choice to be sure.

Not when the theme of the game is linguistics and control. It actually makes perfect sense.

 

[Love Deterrence]

Have they shown any gameplay at all yet to the public? Ive been gone for awhile.

Yes, quite a bit!

E3 2014: Afghanistan, Mother Base

Gamescom 2014: Afghanistan (same mission; different route and time of day), "opposing player's" Forward Operating Base

TGS 2014: Africa

 

[scrambles]

i have an xbox friend who i was talking to about e3 and he was like,
"after i saw the phantom pain trailer, i was all set"
I asked why,
and he says "just that they chose to go with this weird science fiction route".

I couldn't roll my eyes harder.

 

[TheBoss1]

Where art thou September 1st?

 

[TwoDurans]

Where art thou September 1st?

At least it gives you time to drop one of these off.

 

[BobTheFork]

At least it gives you time to drop one of these off.

Oh, good call. Now that I actually have vacation time for the first time ever, I might as well use it properly.

 

[Solidino]

but the demo gameplay? When they'll show it?

 

[Solidino]

https://youtu.be/623_ELd3Dzs

wow it's beautifull, the next gen is here, and it has been delivered by a crossgen game XD

 

[Cake Boss]

Can we get some fucking gameplay Konami, the game is coming out in 2 n half months, plus its E3 wtf you doing Konami.

 

[xkramz]

Here is a pretty good summary of the Metal Gear story. It helps put the timeline, story, characters and games into perceptive, as I know it can be VERY confusing.

Reddit: http://www.reddit.com/r/Games/comments/2050xm/metal_gear_the_complete_story/

that wall of text! holy shit

 

[Slowdive]

Can we get some fucking gameplay Konami, the game is coming out in 2 n half months, plus its E3 wtf you doing Konami.

They said gameplay will be online soon.

 

[-Stryder-]

Here is a pretty good summary of the Metal Gear story. It helps put the timeline, story, characters and games into perceptive, as I know it can be VERY confusing.

Reddit: http://www.reddit.com/r/Games/comments/2050xm/metal_gear_the_complete_story/

cue https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZE3QjBmMikk

 

[NullPointer]

Haha nice. Been listening to a playlist of two songs today: Elegia Full (17 minutes) and Carnage Visors (28 minutes and feels like a decent companion track). Takes me back. So damn serene... so ready for The Phantom Pain too.

 

[Cake Boss]

They said gameplay will be online soon.

What is soon.

 

[Sushigod7]

What is soon.

Not in the next day or two it didn't sound like.

 

[Dice]

The whole headphones in people's bodies thing is driving me nuts. First Chico, now this guy. I wonder what's going on...mind control? Lots of focus on the power of language so it could be something like that.

Allegiances got complicated so they asked other people for advice on what to do and were told "listen to your heart" and well, they aren't very bright.

 

[Crossing Eden]

https://youtu.be/623_ELd3Dzs

wow it's beautifull, the next gen is here, and it has been delivered by a crossgen game XD

Uhhhh what? Nothing in that video shows anything that's "next gen." And we've have plenty of games that clearly couldn't run on past consoles from more than just a visual perspective but from a level design and gameplay perspective as well. Fallout 4 weapon customization for instance is way more advanced than what's seen in that video.

 

[-Deimos]

Uhhhh what? Nothing in that video shows anything that's "next gen." And we've have plenty of games that clearly couldn't run on past consoles from more than just a visual perspective but from a level design and gameplay perspective as well. Fallout 4 weapon customization for instance is way more advanced than what's seen in that video.

How is the Fallout 4 system any different from Dead Space 3?