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Metal Gear Solid V: Gamescom Gameplay Demo
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BossDarkseid
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So...you'd consider 8 "good"?
>_>
Surely the most important criteria is whether you, the player, the individual enjoyed it? If every review outlet gives it under 9 it may be disappointing to you, but there will constantly be a comparison to other titles like Witcher 3, which get high marks despite having similar problems. It could almost certainly be better in ways if it had a more focused and smaller game world and not so many side quests and areas etc that tell stories that are ultimately superfluous to the larger world. The main story could also be less fetch-y, too.
It's also the problem with reviews that since they got review copies three days ago...cramming that much into such a sort space of time will always present a warped view of things.
It's not entirely surprising they find it too long though, because I feel exactly the same way about Witcher 3. There are so many little stories etc littered about but it just feels so...eh...like there could definetley be a more focused and better set if it was smaller scale. Works in some ways, works in others, and I suppose it was always going to be an unavoidable consequence of MGS going non-linear and semi open world.
The sandbox aspect has been evolving since MGS1 really...but the story complaint...well there have been so many flip flopping opinions might as well just wait and see.
GhostTrick
Banned
If they felt the story was left open, I wonder if they missed a PW-style secret ending.
GhostTrick
Banned
They actually mention that and wonder if there's a secret one too. They didn't only felt the story was left open, but kinda light.
Scottish Sin
Member
Thanks man. The comment about
40+ hours being too long is kind of strange to me though. I can only go off of the huge amount of replay time I've put into GZ and how fun that is, so I guess your mileage may vary
wild wild rice
Member
A light story that's 40+ hours?
I had fun replaying Ground Zeroes too, but I was hoping Phantom Pain would be more in line with past MGS games in terms of momentum, focus, suprises, that feeling of an infiltration that becomes revelatory, Heart of Darkness style with weird bosses and shit. If this turns out to be just a bunch of bases in the middle of nowhere that you sneak into...I'll most likely be disappointed.
BossDarkseid
Member
I suspect it's "kinda light" in comparison to other Metal Gear games rather than "kinda light" in comparison to other games in general? I mean unless the story is incredibly vague and on a cliffhanger, so it has a beginning, middle and end, I'm not sure it's too big a deal.
I guess as much as some may criticize, they miss the quirks of CODECs etc when they're gone, but Ground Zeroes as a 90 minute slice of Metal Gear had a good amount of "lore" behind it and details etc with the mission and observing via codec and tapes etc, it's just how the story is told.
There are tons of 4/5 games out there. They're absolutely worthy of time and praise.
But sometimes you hope for a game that reaches even greater heights of excellence, and MGS is a series that has set that standard in the past.
Because what the reviewer complains about are all the critical points to me.
Only 5% of your playtime is spent watching cutscenes in a MGS game ? Story too light ? More questions than answers ?
I don't care for sandboxes. The game could've gotten a 19/20 I would still be disappointed.
But it IS incredibly vague according to the review ....
BossDarkseid
Member
That's understandable, but I suppose (and I don't mean this to sound snarky so apologies if it does) that the time, praise excellence etc...it depends on whether the metric you measure that by is a score (IE 17/20) or how you feel after playing the game.
GhostTrick
Banned
Well, according to them, it's 40 hours to reach the end, but it doesn't mean it's 40 hours of story.
Scottish Sin
Member
Reviewers had to rush through it.
That's unfortunate. TPP seems like one of the last games you would ever want to rush through, so I guess you can't blame him for taken that into account for the review.
grounded_dreams
Member
Has it been announced when the review embargo lifts?
wild wild rice
Member
Right. Sorry, poor wording. That's what I meant.
GhostTrick
Banned
grounded_dreams
Member
Thanks
Inferno313
Banned
Makes them seem confident to have it over a week in advance, bodes well.
matrix-cat
Member
Reviewers had to rush through it.
This is why certain reviewers stay away from publisher-run review events like this (Giant Bomb and Jim Sterling, off the top of my head). I never like the idea of reviews being based on experiences like this, and especially using anything but the final retail code. From that other thread about impressions coming out of the bootcamp, the people there are playing a build where there are no wait timers for developing weapons, but we've already seen in the Gamescom demo that there are wait timers for weapons. Either they've changed it for the final build, or Konami is up to some fuckery.
You can understand why gaming sites have to do it this way, because if Konami isn't sending out review copies this is the only way to have a review written before the game's release, and you're not going to get any clicks when your site's review goes up two weeks after the fact. Still, it's a shitty situation.
wild wild rice
Member
I wonder if the Phantom Pain OT will have more "how long till the end?" posts than Witcher 3.
giancarlo123x
Banned
The people at boot camp don't have the ending of the game in their version, correct? If so then I guess the magazine didn't either.
Gamekult has the same concerns about the narration saying, after 2 amazing hours of introduction, you're doing X hours of missions/mother base stuff without seeing much of the plot, a problem of pacing on the narration...
they said the first hours really concentrate on working on your mother base etc... as the JVM dude.
https://youtu.be/zm9tqnnm0yo?t=52m5s
they said the first hours really concentrate on working on your mother base etc... as the JVM dude.
https://youtu.be/zm9tqnnm0yo?t=52m5s
Yeah ... hype is dead ... Probably won't play the game...the sandbox and base management aspects are not for me.
Hmm, Kojima's not willing to make the Big Boss mistake again. I don't even know if that image that leaked from the MGS4 bootcamp was from the final scene anyway (or if it was an image in an earlier cutscene), but it caused a buzz, nonetheless.
have you not been following the game at all? we've know this is what the game is since as early as 2013
Gamekult always have concerns..
Talk about an overreaction. If you're not going to play the game because of one review and a preview then you mustn't have been very interested to begin with.
Screaming Meat
Unconfirmed Member
Wait... 17/20? But there are only 16 stars?!
in what sense do you think they mean by this?
tpp is a huge departure from the standard metal gear model, and if anything is making good on nearly 30 years worth of gameplay ideas and promises about free infiltration.
Auto_aim1
MeisaMcCaffrey
You know what? I'm completely fine with that.
to be fair, the freedom of doing missions is the real +++ of MGSV, the scenario is probably a step back but everything is concentrate in the gameplay and Ground Zero shows how much it can deliver, TPP has even more options than GZ, it will be glorious, mark my words.
Samey.
they played us like a damn fiddle!
BossDarkseid
Member
1) Is that you in your avi? Your hair is...crazy
2) Did you attend the event as well? When you say "doesn't understand the story" is that because they didn't see everything or because the "core" story is told through the cut scenes but the "Details/side stories" are in cassettes etc?
BossDarkseid
Member
I guess it's a game that fulfills on everything Kojima has ever wanted to be (Kojima's practically said as much) but has been held back by technical constraints/vision etc.
Possible dp
Death Metalist
Member
It would be nice though if the game had more focus on the story since it's the last MGS game and is a major turning point in the series. If what's being said is true from the people who are in the Bootcamp then I'd have to say I'm abit disappointed aswell. If any MGS game should have a bigger focus on the story, it's this one.
Talk about an overreaction. If you're not going to play the game because of one review and a preview then you mustn't have been very interested to begin with.
I already answered you how many times do I have to explain myself ?
And yes I was wary from the beginning but the story trailers brought back the hype because I thought the plot would still be dense and fulfilling after all but it's not the case apparently.
I never played the MGS saga for the gameplay... but more for the crazy story, the lore and all the little Kojima touches.
Because for the author, TPP uses the same game structure as PW.
But I'm not agree with him.
giancarlo123x
Banned
It was from the very last scene in the game. Lol. Major fuck up.
Screaming Meat
Unconfirmed Member
I wonder whether the reviewers had much time to delve into the tapes.
Well of course they didn't understand the plot, they can't even do basic maths. ;P
Well of course they didn't understand the plot, they can't even do basic maths. ;P
MGS4 already did this job.
None, you don't have to say anything if you don't want to.
I just think you're throwing the baby out with the bathwater, so to speak.
Game gets one review where they didn't understand the story and felt is was vague - "I'm not going to play the game."
Doesn't make sense to me. As a fan of the MGS series I can't imagine not playing this game.
Death Metalist
Member
matrix-cat
Member
To me, it seems like Phantom Pain makes good on Peace Walker's early inklings of an idea about building a base and managing an army. While that game was mostly sorting spreadsheets during a normal-length, traditional sneaking mission, Phantom Pain looks like it'll be a much lengthier affair with much more time devoted to just being Big Boss. Running your base, recruiting soldiers, actually using your intel teams for valuable information about how to approach the extremely open-plan missions. If you're coming in expecting a traditional Metal Gear setup, the linear trip from opening area to final bossfight, you've got the wrong idea.
I'm hoping the game will actually take place over a significant time period (and we've seen hints of that, like DD growing from a puppy to a full-grown wolf). I'd like to see the game not just be one mission Big Boss went on, but rather a period of time in Big Boss' life.
I'm hoping the game will actually take place over a significant time period (and we've seen hints of that, like DD growing from a puppy to a full-grown wolf). I'd like to see the game not just be one mission Big Boss went on, but rather a period of time in Big Boss' life.
Dwight Schrute
Member
What is concerning imo is that the reviewer mentions he had to farm to beat a specific mission because he needed more powerful gear. I hope this was not done to encourage micro transactions and that gmp requirements are fair.
Because I've always felt that Big boss's story was complete with MGS3, I didn't need to know every single detail of his life to understand why he turned bad. So I've always felt PO, PW and TPP were unnecessary. But the glorious trailers really intrigued me and I thought there would be incredible plot twists in the game. I don't care for the sandbox gameplay.
Now if all other reviews say the story is excellent and mindblowing, then I'm buying the game. But if the consensus is that the story isn't conclusive and raises more questions than answers, then nope, I'm out.
Exactly, that's why I'm not interested in the game anymore. I really wanted to, like put the game on easy and enjoy the story, but it's not that kind of game.