Is there sequence breaking for Prime 2? I was so sure when they were making Prime that there was no way they would be able to do sequence breakable environments in a 3D version of Metroid...then I saw the video of the guy getting through Magmoor Caverns without having the Varia Suit and that all changed.
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LakeEarth said:
Oh hell yes. I was just watching this insane speed run (100%, 2:25) from Bartendorsparky where he does all kinds of crazy shit out of order. Very cool.
edit: also, from same page:
We recently learned of an interview in EGM with Game Director Mark Pacini who said he was surprised about people playing the first game and not going for 100%, ie trying to skip stuff for a low%. So they tried real hard to make that impossible this time. Wow, way to alienate your hard core fanbase Mark! Of course, it turns out that it doesn't matter. This run contains three major sequence breaks, the first of which is the only reason I decided to record a run. So the fact that they tried to prevent us from having replay value is what makes the existence of such large breaks so funny.
Serious question Mark: Do you think this alienates the hard core fanbase, or do you think it provides a greater incentive and drive for the hard core fans to step up to the challenge?MarkMacD said:We recently learned of an interview in EGM with Game Director Mark Pacini who said he was surprised about people playing the first game and not going for 100%, ie trying to skip stuff for a low%. So they tried real hard to make that impossible this time. Wow, way to alienate your hard core fanbase Mark! Of course, it turns out that it doesn't matter. This run contains three major sequence breaks, the first of which is the only reason I decided to record a run. So the fact that they tried to prevent us from having replay value is what makes the existence of such large breaks so funny.
In turn, I will continue not giving a shit about the series and will instead play FPS games on XBox 360.
Damn you, Retro! I want to do crazy-ass acrobatics Super-Metroid-style, not watch the ground go away and come back because I hit the "hop" button. GRR!
Send this series to Capcom. It needs repair.
What? Both were critically acclaimed games. Granted, some may not like the viewpoint, but the series works. Send it to Capcom. I've always wanted to play a Metroid game with tank controls.terrene said:In turn, I will continue not giving a shit about the series and will instead play FPS games on XBox 360.
Damn you, Retro! I want to do crazy-ass acrobatics Super-Metroid-style, not watch the ground go away and come back because I hit the "hop" button. GRR!
Send this series to Capcom. It needs repair.
Mr. Spinnington
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Damn that site gets addicting!MarkMacD said:Oh hell yes. I was just watching this insane speed run (100%, 2:25) from Bartendorsparky where he does all kinds of crazy shit out of order. Very cool.
edit: also, from same page:
We recently learned of an interview in EGM with Game Director Mark Pacini who said he was surprised about people playing the first game and not going for 100%, ie trying to skip stuff for a low%. So they tried real hard to make that impossible this time. Wow, way to alienate your hard core fanbase Mark! Of course, it turns out that it doesn't matter. This run contains three major sequence breaks, the first of which is the only reason I decided to record a run. So the fact that they tried to prevent us from having replay value is what makes the existence of such large breaks so funny.
Dragona Akehi
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Society said:
But it doesn't! Samus feels like a fucking 10 tonne truck and with no response! What ever happened to the agile bounty hunter we all knew and loved in the 2D games?
OH WAIT THEY FUCKED IT UP.
DIE RETRO.
Folks are so bitter...
The only "true" Metroids most of you want are the 2D ones, and Metroid Prime is not taking those away... they would never have made a 2D Metroid on a current home console anyway. You're still getting 2D Metroids on portables, so what is the complaint? Samus is appearing in another kind of game, which many people enjoy -- even Super Metroid fans.
I mean, I can understand your dislike of the 3D Metroids -- I'm a Mario fan, and I'm happy that we're finally getting a REAL Mario game, after those 3D incarnations that didn't really bring in the right feel or gameplay...but I enjoyed them for what they were. Can't you live and let live with those folks who enjoy Metroid Prime?
The only "true" Metroids most of you want are the 2D ones, and Metroid Prime is not taking those away... they would never have made a 2D Metroid on a current home console anyway. You're still getting 2D Metroids on portables, so what is the complaint? Samus is appearing in another kind of game, which many people enjoy -- even Super Metroid fans.
I mean, I can understand your dislike of the 3D Metroids -- I'm a Mario fan, and I'm happy that we're finally getting a REAL Mario game, after those 3D incarnations that didn't really bring in the right feel or gameplay...but I enjoyed them for what they were. Can't you live and let live with those folks who enjoy Metroid Prime?
Dragona Akehi
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DavidDayton said:
Sad thing was there was supposedly a 3D Metroid in development... that wasn't FPS, and from NCL. Evidently it was canned after Prime "did so well".
So bitter is probably not a strong enough word.
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Dragona Akehi said:
If that's what you think, then you suck at the controls. Samus has always had some weight to her character, but yes, she's agile despite that. Once you know what you're doing in Prime, you can zip around the levels at high speed with graceful fluidity, especially after getting your more advanced abilities (especially the screw attack in Prime 2). It just takes some effort, practice, and precision--but when did it not? Everyone remembers falling idiotically past all the platforms in Metroid (or Super Metroid) before learning how to maneuver with some skill. Prime is the same. It oozes the feel of Metroid.
It's a masterpiece. Worthy of Super Metroid, and easy contender for Game of the Generation.
Lemurnator
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terrene said:
Yes i did and metroid prime looks and plays like a 3d representation of a metroid game.........
fuck the haters the MP series is great specially MP1, I don't want Metroid May Cry fuck that I want Metroid to have it's unique place in gaming and MP gives Metroid that uniqueness. I was skeptical at first with a first person Metroid game but after playing MP1 and MP2E, I'm anticipating the third one and I'm glad it is in first person.
The viewpoint is not perfect, but it FAR FAR better than 3rd person.terrene said:
Game still retains the staples of the series, despite what some people will tell you. The game is still free roaming, you can still sequence break, you can do low level speed runs. The only major ommision, IMO, is the 'super' moves. Then again the GBA Metroid did not have those moves either.
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LakeEarth said:
Yeah, but right now there isn't as much compared to the first game. There is still quite a bit though. As the poster after you answered, there are smaller breaks like
getting grapple without seekers, and getting to Quadraxis without getting any of the Ing Hive Keys
getting Screw Attack without Spider Ball and early Power Bombs before the main ones
It's still there, but bigger stuff took a bit longer to figure out. It's still got a ways to go, though.
That's cool. I'm saddened that they actually tried to stop sequence breaks since I think that's why I'm not feeling Prime 2 as much as 1. It doesn't feel as open, especially with all the keys you have to collect.
And Prime did feel exactly like Metroid but in 3D. The only real difference was that Samus was slower and didn't jump as high, and yes they overdid the spawning of Space Pirates (that took something like 10X more hits than Super Metroid space pirates), but the open ended puzzles and environments just felt like Metroid. And I own and has beaten every Metroid except the original (not counting Zero Mission). IMO of course, Prime felt more like Metroid than the Metroid Fusion did, and that one's fricken 2D!
And Prime did feel exactly like Metroid but in 3D. The only real difference was that Samus was slower and didn't jump as high, and yes they overdid the spawning of Space Pirates (that took something like 10X more hits than Super Metroid space pirates), but the open ended puzzles and environments just felt like Metroid. And I own and has beaten every Metroid except the original (not counting Zero Mission). IMO of course, Prime felt more like Metroid than the Metroid Fusion did, and that one's fricken 2D!
Dragona Akehi
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LakeEarth said:
Which besides the fucking exploration, IS THE POINT OF METROID.
Prime = Total garbage.
The sooner people realise this, the sooner we get quality console Metroid games again.
Red Scarlet
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LakeEarth said:
What's weird is right now, the minimum # of keys to collect in 2 is the same number of artifacts in the first game.
Dragona Akehi said:
Other people need to realize that the last truly amazing, quality 2-D Metroid game was released 11 years ago. The glory days of Super are long over. IMO, I wonder why Prime irks you more than Fusion, Dragona.
Red Scarlet
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Dragona hates how slow Samus is and jumps low in Prime, except that in Fusion, Samus runs slower than she did in Super (same speed, then into shinespark speed), Samus doesn't jump as high/far and wall jumps were nerfed in Fusion, you cannot bomb jump in Fusion, Samus drops like a rock when she morphs in Fusion (compared to Super), but Dragona doesn't seem to mind these in Fusion, a 2-d game, but hates Prime for them. Just seems weird.
I cannot stand anything in Fusion, so our opinions vary greatly,
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I cannot stand anything in Fusion, so our opinions vary greatly,
.the acrobatics are the only thing thats missing, and in the second game, you get a little of that back with the way the screw attack was implimented... the platforming was still great, especially for a first person game.... it felt just like metroid to me and i think i like it even better than super metroid.
edit// the music, the atmosphere, the game structure... everything was just pure metroid. metroid is my favorite nintendo series, and i think this is my favorite metroid game... hell it might be my favorite game of all time.
edit// the music, the atmosphere, the game structure... everything was just pure metroid. metroid is my favorite nintendo series, and i think this is my favorite metroid game... hell it might be my favorite game of all time.
Forgot linear.Red Scarlet said:Dragona hates how slow Samus is and jumps low in Prime, except that in Fusion, Samus runs slower than she did in Super (same speed, then into shinespark speed), Samus doesn't jump as high/far in Fusion, cannot bomb jump in Fusion, drops like a rock when she morphs in Fusion (compared to Super), but doesn't seem to mind these in Fusion, a 2-d game, but hates Prime for them. Just seems weird.
Our opinions vary greatly,
Red Scarlet
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She didn't mention that though, but that is one of my main reasons as to why I cannot stand Fusion, myself.
What the hell? Don't listen to this joker. I'm one of the biggest Metroid whores around and I wholeheartedly believe that both Metroid Prime games are true to the 2D games. The gameplay that makes Metroid games awesome are completely retained in the Prime games. Not only this, but they're two of the best games in the series overall... right behind Super Metroid IMO. Sure, a few things are missing, like wall jumping and the speed boost, but the Prime games have not only added much more to the series, but they've made it more epic at times. Additionally, Metroid Prime 2 tweaked a few things to make the game feel more like Super Metroid (colored doors, screw attack) ... I'm sure Prime 3 will attempt to bring back even more older stuff... I'm hoping for the Speed Boost.
Lemurnator
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First Person Metroid is amazing.
Quit whining, you don't own the Metroid property. Nintendo does, and they can do with it as they please.
They haven't failed yet.
Quit whining, you don't own the Metroid property. Nintendo does, and they can do with it as they please.
They haven't failed yet.
this thread made me start MP:2 again. I bought it at launch day during first semester and got about half way till I put it off due to my busy schedule. I started it back up again tonight and I concur with some posts in this thread. MP:2 is not as good as MP:1 =/. To me the biggest problem lies in the fact that purple + black is really, really, unaesthetically pleasing. I don't know why but it turns me off from the game and makes exploration seem like a chore rather than instilling any excitement. I'll still beat it just cause I have a lot of time now...but I hope they make environments for MP:3 like the Chozo ruins from MP:1 instead of the dark art style they opted for in MP2.
Dragona Akehi
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Lemurnator said:
OH NO I CANNOT EXPRESS MY DISSENTING OPINION ON A GAMING MESSAGE BOARD. WHATEVER WILL I DO.
Oh I've complained plenty about Fusion, especially concerning things like the Walljump and linearity... so don't even try that tack.
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Dragona Akehi said:
I sure am glad I live in my world and not yours. I remember being worried that Prime would suck. But it doesn't, it rocks. It might be the best Metroid game of all. Too bad you got stuck in Bizarro World.
Red Scarlet
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Dragona Akehi said:
I honestly don't remember seeing them, my apologies. The way you have been posting in here, you seemed to only have a problem with Prime not being like Super...so don't even try to think I know how you feel on everything.