Mexico has decriminalized drugs for personal use. ALL OF THEM.
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TitaniumGroceries
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Honestly, I wouldn't use the word "social" to describe the effects cocaine and ecstasy have on people.Chichikov said:
teh_pwn said:
This won't get rid of the drug dealer. Even if drugs were legalized, not 5 grams decriminalized, it would not stop a drug dealer/cartel, just like the prohibition ending didn't stop the Mafia.
Illegal cigarettes are selling fine and dandy despite tobacco being legal for forever. If anything this makes the cartels wealthier, because demand will go up from all those people that were too afraid to try drugs for fear of getting caught.
The same thing would happen in the US.
My opinion is that although it's silly to lock people up for possessing it recreationally, it should always be fineable. If I get a ticket for not wearing a seat belt, then Mr. Cokehead should at least get an equal fine for possession.
buckfutter
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One of the primary effects of ecstasy is highly elevated levels of empathy. So, wrong.TitaniumGroceries said:
speculawyer
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Are you saying you'd do heroin if it was legal? I sure wouldn't . . . nor would most people.TitaniumGroceries said:
And alcohol is a pretty nasty drug. Yeah it is not as bad as meth or heroin. But the real point is that some people are doing these drugs no matter what but most people know the dangers and stay away. So there isn't much point in wasting police, court, and prison resources on people that abuse drugs.
Mercury Fred said:
I know how pro-civil rights/equality and all of that you are, but Im sorry, that is the very least of the problems in the US. The fucking school and health systems are the main priorities, even the government seems to believe so. People wanting everything to be fixed at the same time....:lol
As for this news, is great to hear that the mexican government is playing all of their cards to fix this problem. Im glad to see that both Mexico and Colombia are putting plans in place to fight the drug cartels, hopefully there is substantial enough results.
SolarPowered
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This is amazing. I can't believe they actually went through with this decision. I can't imagine what has to be going through Obama's head at the moment. I can't say that I understand the reprecussions, or advantages of this decision clearly, but this will really give the cartels hell.
speculawyer
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By what I understand, aren't pot laws very laxly enforced in Canada? It is not officially decriminalized but not really enforced much either.EschatonDX said:
fortified_concept
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JGS said:
I'm sorry but your comparison is terrible. If anything you prove that the legalization of drugs would get rid of the drug dealers 99% of the time just like the end of prohibition decimated the alcohol dealers. Mafia lost huge profits and was forced to downsize.
Death Dealer
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What are the odds of finding real acid in Mexico ? .001%?
Are they going to be easier on sellers ?
I'd love to see Amsterdam style smart shops in TJ. :lol
speculawyer
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If this man runs for any office, I will donate (even though he probably doesn't need the money).Mercury Fred said:
Gylfnogard
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They should lift federal bans and such here in the US, but I have a feeling that this current government would only force all states to legalize it if it chose that avenue. The 10th amendment has meant nothing since that Lincoln.
I'm looking forward to shady businessmen peddling heroin through billboards in NYC. Better that money legitimately go through our economy than through poor people.
I'm looking forward to shady businessmen peddling heroin through billboards in NYC. Better that money legitimately go through our economy than through poor people.
fortified_concept
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Kipz said:
Exactly.
speculawyer
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Well, President Bush is no longer in office. There is a new mellow sheriff in town.thefit said:
EschatonDX said:
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Canada follows America's lead on initiatives such as this. We'll never have widespread decriminalization so long as America maintains prohibition. Bank on it.
speculawyer said:
Oh, broad can of worms here.
In very general terms, mere possession of drugs nets almost zero jail time. And trafficking nets very little hard time in comparison to the USA as well.
But, in essence, ALL crimes in Canada net very little jail time. Rather frustrating, to be honest. You have people committing brutal, premeditated murders who are out of jail within 5 or 6 years here.
In spirit, though, yes, marijuana enforcement has negligible resources dedicated to it in comparison to cocaine, heroin, ecstacy and meth.
fortified_concept said:
How is his comparison all that terrible when organized crime still owns half of the market for cigarettes in Canada east of Manitoba, an ostensibly "legalized" product?
speculawyer
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Stop wasting the time of the police. Just tax it heavily. Raise revenue and discourage the behavior.JGS said:
Barbacoatl
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I've had some really strong acid here (microdots), which was just as heavy (if not more) as the american ones I've tried (drops, paper and geltabs). Hoffmans aren't unknown here, y'know.Death Dealer said:
speculawyer
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JGS said:
He does have a point. Cigarettes are the largest smuggled product around. But then again, who the fuck cares? Yeah, they should go after them but it is not really a violent business and the biggest problem from it is reduce tax revenue.
But I totally disagree that it will make the cartels wealthier. The profit margins will go way down if something is legal and taxed.
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Boogie said:
I don't know what's happening east of Manitoba but you can't use anecdotal evidence to prove a point. Fact is illegal trade of legal substances like tobacco and alcohol is limited and you certainly don't hear about murder sprees between gangs that control their trade. And let's not forget that all countries make huge amounts of money by taxing them, not to mention they're able to control their quality.
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Trip Warhawkins said:
Wow are you from Mexico ?
I've never heard of anyone finding the real thing down there. At least not from the places gringos typically buy from. How long ago did you find the microdot ?
acid has become scarce up north in the last decade, after this guy was busted in a silo in Kansas. I read the DEA estimated he supplied 90% of the country.
There are still families around the Bay Area that do limited runs, but it's a lot more underground now it seems. I rememeber back in the 90s, everyday average weed dealers in middle america would get blotter, acid would be on the market a few times a year and everyone had it. I used to get pretty strong liquid (1-2 drops and you were frying hard for 24 hours) in SoCal around 2002, but haven't seen any in years. I occasionally eat shrooms, but there is nothing like LSD. If it's that easy to find in Mexico, I would take a road trip. I guess ask a taxi driver ?
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Yes, I had the microdot back in Halloween last year, a friend of mine always has in stock (she mainly sells x but given as acid isn't as popular getting some is rarely a problem).Death Dealer said:
Death Dealer
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Do you think it can be found in border towns ?
AlternativeUlster
Absolutely pathetic part deux
Oh my god, I am so going to overdose on cocaine GAF by the end of this year. If I don't post 3 days in a row, it means AlternativeUlster died of a cocaine overdose in Mexico. I probably will have a raging boner too.
Fixed1979 said:
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edit: though many of these links are saying that 25% of the cigarette trade in Canada are contraband. I can't find the links that said around half of the Ontario and Quebec tobacco trade is contraband.
http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/ce-da/tobacco-tabac-strat-2008-eng.htm
http://www.cmaj.ca/cgi/content/full/176/11/1567
http://www.otru.org/pdf/special/special_nov_2007.pdf
http://www.bizaims.com/articles/illegal+business/contraband+tobacco+canada
http://www.imperialtobaccocanada.co...83FBBFC1257291005C32CF?opendocument&DTC=&SID=
fortified_concept said:
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Welcome back, F_C.
Anecdotal my fucking ass.
No murder sprees? Not quite, but you do have native Canadians taking regular target practise at the border post on Akwesasne, to the point that the Canadian Border Services Agency had to pull all their officers from the Cornwall crossing.
But you wouldn't know fuck all about that, would you?
Hitokage said:
Have I ever said that I like the way you think, Hito?
Barbacoatl
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I know you can find it in El Paso for sure, dunno about SD or Laredo (wouldn't surprise me). From experience and geographical location I would hit Albuquerque or Denver for some lysergic.
AlternativeUlster
Absolutely pathetic part deux
How much is a half gram going to be do you guys think?
fortified_concept
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Boogie said:
No I wouldn't because I don't know what happening east of Manitoba. But as I said your evidence is anecdotal and it's certainly not indicative of what's happening in the world. Not to mention that if we compare the trade of illegal substances to the trade of legal ones your argument crumbles immediately due to the huge difference in actual crime and illegal trading.
Barbacoatl
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coke, right? half a gram runs you about 15 bucks.AlternativeUlster said:
I am speechless that Mexico actually did this. I'll need a couple days to adjust to this reality. Holy motherfucking shit! This is a big deal, right? I can't comprehend this. I'm not overhyping this in my head, am I? Holy shit!
I will celebrate this week by getting high in
I will celebrate this week by getting high in
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fortified_concept said:
What the fuck is your definition of "anecdotal", when I can provide approximate stats for AN ENTIRE COUNTRY?
One quarter of the cigarettes smoked by a population of over 20 million is contraband. I'm not talking about a couple of friends who buy illicit smokes here.
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On the one hand, I hate drugs (Though I am equally against laws prohbiting them while allowing cigs and booze mind you). On the other hand, my dad has been diagnosed with Glaucoma.
Were going to Mexico!
Were going to Mexico!
This makes the most sense, but I doubt it would ever be incorporated in most countries.Hitokage said:
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