perfectchaos007
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Hitokage said:
except Americans don't know the difference. We consider Marijuana hardcore while we consider Alcohol perfectly okay. Politicians here can't draw the line in the right place.
Mexico has decriminalized drugs for personal use. ALL OF THEM.
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except Americans don't know the difference. We consider Marijuana hardcore while we consider Alcohol perfectly okay. Politicians here can't draw the line in the right place.
GoldenEye 007
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I'm sorry, that's anecdotal. That doesn't count.Boogie said:
fortified_concept
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Boogie said:
Anecdotal as in anecdotal of only one area in Canada. Face it, your argument is ridiculous. Anyone who compares the illegal trading of cigarettes to that of illegal drugs and tries to convince that they're not that different in scale or violence is trying too hard. The trading of smuggled cigarettes isn't as widespread and the the violence resulting from it isn't even a fraction of the violence resulting from the trading of illegal drugs even though cigarettes are waaaay more mainstream than drugs.
Ninja Scooter
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Time to visit the motherland
fortified_concept said:
"One area" equaling more than half the population of the entire country.
:lol :lol :lol
Spoken like someone who doesn't deal with this shit day in and day out.
Never change, fortified.
Again, you don't know what the fuck you're talking about. Is the potential for violence in the trafficking of illegal drugs such as cocaine, heroin, meth, etc. greater than for contraband smokes? Yes, absolutely.
Is it in entirely different league from it? No, absolutely not, and all you'd have to do is talk to some of the Customs officers and RCMP members who deal with this sort of thing to establish that.
but you live in magical left-wing fantasyland, so you don't have to accept my word for it.
GoldenEye 007
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:/ Well... as long as you're not an illegal alien.Eltacoman said:Sweet, Im gonna stand right by the border patrol and snort some coke right in front of the american patrol officers, laugh then walk through.
BigJonsson
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Man, if I was a druggie I'd be so much more stoked to be going to Cancun in 8 days
Ninja Scooter said:
I'm surprised it wasn't you posting the take-off picture.
Eltacoman said:
I think that can still be jail time, given the cop has seen you snorting the coke. Plus don't the border offices have cameras? Yeah, good job letting them jail you. :|
Anaxagoras
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damn, but the personal use limit is very very low when it comes to methamphetamine and LSD.
just wait and see how this one will work out, can't wait to see bill mahers comments on this news
just wait and see how this one will work out, can't wait to see bill mahers comments on this news
fortified_concept
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Boogie said:
Thank you for proving our point. If we also take into account that cigarettes are much more mainstream than drugs we come to the conclusion that the legalization of a substance drastically reduces violence and illegal trafficking.
The rest of your post is your typical spinning and gloating about how experienced you are about this stuff.
Barbacoatl
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Mexico stopped being exclusively a drug exporting country to become a consumer one not long ago. Drug use has increased greatly in the last 10 years, so I don't think we'll see a significant increase because of this law. It is, like our beloved lawmakers say, a simple distinction of the individuals involved indirectly in the so called drug war. I'm personally benefited but in reality I would rather pay a tax in exchange for quality weed.
OuterWorldVoice said:
Yeah but, unless I'm reading the OP wrong, they haven't actually decriminalized drugs...just possession in small amounts.
So then, the low level, casual usage will increase... but it doesn't really change much of anything (except maybe increase traffic) for the big cartels with massive amounts of product.
I would think that all those theories about legalizing drugs don't really come into play here.
SouthernDragon
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Anti-drugs, but I approve of this.
Should legalize it, though.
Should legalize it, though.
pizzaguysrevenge
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This isn't really that big of a deal.
Marijuana is already decriminalized in many US States (including CA, woo!).
Most other drugs aren't worth messing around with.
Marijuana is already decriminalized in many US States (including CA, woo!).
Most other drugs aren't worth messing around with.
Boogie said:
Yea you really need to live in magical left-wing fantasyland if your opinion is that the war on drugs is a huge gigantic failure that can never succeed.
And comparing the drug smuggling business with the cigarette smuggling business and from that drawing the conclusion that decriminalization is bad, just make you look dumb. Yes, there are criminals doing it, because it's overtaxed. Where there is money to be made, then people will be there trying to make money off it. If we were to criminalize tobacco use, you would have gang style cigarette murder sprees within weeks, as new groups of people tried to get their cut of the new gigantic market that just got opened.
If you really wanted to reduce cigarrette smuggling, the only - only - viable way to do it, is to lower the taxes on tobacco. But seeing as there is a lot of money to be made on taxing tobacco, we will continue to have cigarette smugglers. And whats the big deal with that? The only thing we lose is some tax income.
SatelliteOfLove
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ronito said:
:lol
:lol :lol :lol
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One of the few things I approve of Calderón's government.
Te pasaste de lanza. :lol
thefit said:
Te pasaste de lanza. :lol
speculawyer
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Nothing is perfect. Yes, cigarettes are one of the biggest smuggled substances. But so what? All that means is reduced tax revenue. No big deal.Boogie said:
speculawyer
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I subscribe to this too.Hitokage said:
speculawyer
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Some can.perfectchaos007 said:
tintinrudd
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Get over yourselves. You don't know what decriminalization has done for countries like Portugal and Holland, you dont know. Go and find out about statistics.
Look at the number of americans (majority black of course)in jail for marijuana possession, drug addictions to meth, etc. This is the best way to lower prison pressures and the RIGHT way to treat drug addicts.
I assume its also going to help police to focus on the BIG FISH, the killers and kidnappers, who are the MAJOR PROBLEM in the Mexican drug wars.
Look at the number of americans (majority black of course)in jail for marijuana possession, drug addictions to meth, etc. This is the best way to lower prison pressures and the RIGHT way to treat drug addicts.
I assume its also going to help police to focus on the BIG FISH, the killers and kidnappers, who are the MAJOR PROBLEM in the Mexican drug wars.
tintinrudd
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EschatonDX said:
I dk about that. Doesn't Holland get a decent percentage off tourism and cost savings in terms of reduced legal costs?
A step in the right direction imo, why should people who use small amounts of drugs be punished when billions of people drink alcohol every day.
5 grams of weed for 2-3 joints is pretty weird though, with 5 grams I smoke for 2 whole weeks, everyday.
Yeah, Im Dutch, we use tobacco in our joints.
5 grams of weed for 2-3 joints is pretty weird though, with 5 grams I smoke for 2 whole weeks, everyday.
Yeah, Im Dutch, we use tobacco in our joints.
tintinrudd
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Nyx said:A step in the right direction imo, why should people who use small amounts of drugs be punished when billions of people drink alcohol every day.
5 grams of weed for 2-3 joints is pretty weird though, with 5 grams I smoke for 2 whole weeks, everyday.
Yeah, Im Dutch, we use tobacco in our joints.
So tell me Nyx what are the benefits you have seen in Holland? Including what i mentioned above?
Nyx said:A step in the right direction imo, why should people who use small amounts of drugs be punished when billions of people drink alcohol every day.
5 grams of weed for 2-3 joints is pretty weird though, with 5 grams I smoke for 2 whole weeks, everyday.
Yeah, Im Dutch, we use tobacco in our joints.
Maybe Mexicans don't have access to that insane super skunk you do? I know i don't and i live a lot closer to holland..=)
And dosage does depend a lot on what you are trying to achieve...
tintinrudd said:
One immediate benefit i can think of is that normal people who just mind their own business, do not hurt anyone, pay ther taxes - but still like to smoke a joint isn't branded a criminal and a menace to society anymore.
replicashooter
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thefit said:
Could you clarify this, like butter?
jorma said:
Correct, most people dont look weird at me when I say I smoke a joint to relax after a day of work.
Also it saves a lot of jail-space, cant even imagine what it would be like if you get imprisoned for having 5 grams of weed in your pocket.
And I think if you look at the amount of people who smoke weed in The Netherlands, its probably less than in countries like the USA where its illegal. (percentage-wise)
Oh and its also nice ofcourse that I can walk into a coffeeshop to buy some, and not in some dark alley where mr. Pusherman tries to sell me some cocaine too.
tintinrudd
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Nyx said:Correct, most people dont look weird at me when I say I smoke a joint to relax after a day of work.
Also it saves a lot of jail-space, cant even imagine what it would be like if you get imprisoned for having 5 grams of weed in your pocket.
And I think if you look at the amount of people who smoke weed in The Netherlands, its probably less than in countries like the USA where its illegal. (percentage-wise)
Oh and its also nice ofcourse that I can walk into a coffeeshop to buy some, and not in some dark alley where mr. Pusherman tries to sell me some cocaine too.
This is the thing im interested in. Does decriminalization inevitably lead to lower amounts of the worst big fish crimes. Because this is the problem, murder and kidnappings are the things that have to be stopped.
the thoroughbred
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The surprising thing is how lsd has been mentioned specifically. This is not really in fashionat the moment, or for the last 15 years. Plus it's really hard to get hold of and make. So, it must be relatively popular over there. And there must be someone producing it.
How much are tickets to Mexico anyway? I assume quite a bit from London. And how expensive is it compared to London?
How much are tickets to Mexico anyway? I assume quite a bit from London. And how expensive is it compared to London?
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