MGS 5 or Witcher 3?
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The Artisan
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poll?
Dangansona
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This applies to much of GAF.
See I know it's somewhat tangential, but statements like that about Final Fantasy bother me. Square has done nothing about FF. People have probably been pissed off at Square for a FF since VII because they are all different. Just because you didn't like a few of them doesn't mean the series is dead and incapable of making a game you would like.
Also people use the open world of MGSV as fuel, but I actually prefer the layout of MGSV. Not full of shit like most modern open world games are.
MGSV actually goes beyond this into the other open world sin - recycling missions and areas and stretching their content way too far.
Again, most people haven't really hit the back half of the game where the design becomes super lazy and rushed.
Meh, hyperbolic posts like these are just the worst. It's fine if you don't like the game, but saying it's bad just because of your own personal feelings and disregarding the insane amount of polish that went into it doesn't sit well with me.
As far as predicting the future, I could say the opposite is true: once the cutscene/story junkies get over the fact that the game wasn't the perfect ending for the series they wanted, I think the game will be better appreciated for everything it got right. No one really knows though, so speculating about this is pointless.
JayWood2010
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Both are highly detailed games with polish I havent seen in video games before with a lot of ambition.
You really cant go wrong with either one. Not only are they possibly the two games of this year, but goes down as being some of the best games Ive ever played.
You really cant go wrong with either one. Not only are they possibly the two games of this year, but goes down as being some of the best games Ive ever played.
Dangansona
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That might be true. I basically prefer the Deus Ex HR model where you are provided with zones that are sandboxes but not one huge world. I guess Mass Effect is another example. MGSV is like that.
RandomSeed
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He already decided. Another 10 pages of "which game I like best" isn't going to help you damn video game players.
MGS gameplay is way better than Witcher 3 imo, and that is super important for me. So yes, MGSV is a better game than Witcher 3 for me personallly. You are entitled to like Witcher 3 more but lets not be ridiculous and say people are blind because they don't share the same opinion as you.
Fix The Scientist
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Lol. I've put 40 hours + in to both and MGS5 is the far superior game, it gets better as it goes, unlike W3.
Krappadizzle
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I think he's referring to the overall package, as aside from gameplay, MGSV is not very good. MB management sucks. Mother Base itself sucks, you can explore this huge structure and maybe find one door you can go in. The story is terrible, the score is very understated in comparison to previous titles. The missions have serious amounts of repetition, to a point where you are literally doing the exact same mission on a harder difficulty to properly move the story forward. Like, you extract the same guy from the same base with the exact same dialogue to move the story forward again and trigger the next cutscene? How does that make sense? Being connected to Konami servers causes your iDroid to lag about half the time you use it. I mean there are more problems but I think you get the point. And the ending.....
It is the funnest MGS to play, just not a great game when you consider the whole package.
Witcher 3's biggest complaint I've seen from most people is that the combat isn't as good as they'd like. So....
It absolutely does not get better as it goes. I cannot see how someone can get to the second half and say "This is better than the first".
The game honestly reminds me a lot like Destiny in it's structure. The gameplay is good but you keep waiting for a climax or something to really change it up. And then the game just ends up responding with more and more repetition.
VanCityGamer
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The Witcher 3 was my first Witcher game. Metal Gear Solid V is my first Metal Gear game.
I put over 100 hours into The Witcher 3 and have put 15 hours into MGSV so far.
I LOVE The Witcher 3. I like MGSV.
Story, writing, open world, diversity, variety, side quests all easily go to The Witcher 3. That game has one of the most incredible worlds I have ever explored with amazingly deep and varied side quests. I also enjoy the combat. The character interactions/dialogue and choices (which are gameplay too!) are superb.
MGSV has stronger core mechanics, but that's not enough for me. The missions and side missions are all shockingly repetitive and similar so far. The story is also razor thin and pretty weak. There's nothing to find or do in the open world. It's really just dead zones between outposts. I'm enjoying myself with the game, but can't believe people think it's AMAZING. Very interesting.
I put over 100 hours into The Witcher 3 and have put 15 hours into MGSV so far.
I LOVE The Witcher 3. I like MGSV.
Story, writing, open world, diversity, variety, side quests all easily go to The Witcher 3. That game has one of the most incredible worlds I have ever explored with amazingly deep and varied side quests. I also enjoy the combat. The character interactions/dialogue and choices (which are gameplay too!) are superb.
MGSV has stronger core mechanics, but that's not enough for me. The missions and side missions are all shockingly repetitive and similar so far. The story is also razor thin and pretty weak. There's nothing to find or do in the open world. It's really just dead zones between outposts. I'm enjoying myself with the game, but can't believe people think it's AMAZING. Very interesting.
For one thing, I don't agree with some of those complaints. I find the overall package to be better than Witcher 3 imo. I couldn't put the control down when I am playing MGS V unlike the Witcher 3. I take issue with him saying that people are blinded if they think MGS is the better game, which is a ridiculous statement.
Krappadizzle
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What complaints don't you agree with?
Dangansona
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What's the peak of TW3? Bloody Baron?
It's a little more than that, that I've seen. This thread has turned me off from getting the game altogether now, where as I was just gonna get it super cheap down the line. The controls, the lackluster combat...killer for me.
Uno Venova
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That's never been how these threads work.
This is in no way true. Have you actually finished MGSV? Or Witcher? Witcher's best moment is act 2. I suspect most people will not even finish MGSV based on what they ask you do to in episode 2.
The story and music are all subjective and I happen to enjoy it. I also like the MB management and Mother Base, it makes feel like I am actually the head of a mercenary force. It is essentially Peace Walker 2.0. I do agree that the server issue is annoying, going back to ACC instead of transporting directly to different LZ. Some of the latter missions should have been side ops.
RandomSeed
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Damn video game players, I swear. Screw it, I'm going to play a video game now.
Definitely the point I was making, thanks for writing this.
I get it, some small subsect of people will prefer MGSV over any game this year. But on the whole? I'm willing to bet it will not be remembered as fondly as Witcher 3 by many.
Like I said before, I like MGSV a lot. But many of the people claiming its GOTY 2015 haven't made it to the later half of the game where it really, really falls apart.
Krappadizzle
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It has some valid issues, especially if consoles are your only option.
That said, it's still easily one of the best RPG's ever made.
It's an rpg. The combat and controls are highly serviceable. This isn't some dos game, this isn't Gothic with some crazy learning curve with limited options, and it's definitely not witcher 1.
GribbleGrunger
Dreams in Digital
Well, of course I'm talking from my perspective but I honestly think EVEN objectively it's a bad game. I literally mean 'bad', no hyperbole here from me. That's what I genuinely feel to the point of anger. I haven't enjoyed a single mission so far in this game and the ONLY enjoyment I've had is on a couple of side opps. That's it. I've been online all day and haven't even thought about wanting to play it. When I got The Witcher 3 I played it none stop and the same goes for Diablo 3 and Farcry 3. I played TLOU 10 times and never once got bored.
It's not my only option. I have a bangin PC, but I'd rather play on console having a newborn. It's close by, so if I'm needed, I'm right there. What is it, if the controls are less than adequate, as some have stated, and the combat isn't fun, that makes it one of the best? I know, I know, ymmv with the combat, but I've seen enough people unhappy with it that it's turned me off.
| Praxis |
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They are both great games, but I am enjoying Metal Gear more. I prefer sandboxes that allow me to experiment and play the way I like, the sandbox in The Witcher 3 is in the narrative, not the gameplay. Which is great if you're invested in that story and characters, but I have never been a big fantasy fan and I don't like the main characters very much. It's very well written as games go though.
Edit: I played both on PC, so I have no idea what state either are in on consoles.
Edit: I played both on PC, so I have no idea what state either are in on consoles.
Collateral22
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MGSV. TW3 is in an awful state on consoles.
Magic Mushroom
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Or perhaps not everyone is fond of the Witcher's gameplay. We had quite a bit of people who came out of Bloodborne back in the day and just couldn't handle the Witcher's janky combat.
People value different things and there is definitely something to be said about MGS's massive toolset and true sandbox gameplay, as well as Witcher's emphasis on world building and storytelling. Something with horses and courses (MGS has the better horse).
Where is Matthewmatosis when you need him?
plasmawave
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Hero Prinny
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good choice on the witcher 3! both games are excellent and you can't go wrong with either but witcher 3 is god tier.
I find this comment weird. Why are they 'clearly fanboys'? I played and enjoyed both games, am a fanboy of neither and would agree with both quoted comments. They're both legit opinions.
Discotheque
Banned
Witcher 3 is a GOTG contender. Even mgsv's staunchest supporters can't say it has a better open world or narrative to it. Plus some god tier side quests
MGS V has better gameplay tho (but I don't think witcher is a slouch in this department but MGS gives you so much choice in approach)
I love both but witcher 3 for sure. Also funnily enough I started the witcher series around after mgs4 and it easily supplanted my previous favorite game series.
MGS V has better gameplay tho (but I don't think witcher is a slouch in this department but MGS gives you so much choice in approach)
I love both but witcher 3 for sure. Also funnily enough I started the witcher series around after mgs4 and it easily supplanted my previous favorite game series.
Magic Mushroom
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There are many people who've completed it and still think it's 10/10 or GotY or whatever (not me, I think Bloodborne is still the best game of this gen), who don't have trouble doing side-ops or replaying missions because they adore the core gameplay and experimenting with the mechanics, whereas a game can have tremendous storytelling or a great gameworld, but if the mechanics are not enjoyable, I won't touch it again. GTA V is an example of this for me, as is Bethesda's work.
Like I said, it all depends on which aspects of a game you value the most.
Only time will truly tell which games will stand the test of time, but I think Gaf's 2015 GOTY awards could be a good way to gauge which one currently stands as the favorite. Both have a very good shot at it and then there's Fallout 4 which is another huge contender.
GribbleGrunger said:
Uh... Alright then. I'll have to disagree with you to the point of befuddlement though.
Krappadizzle
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It's like you say, ymmv. And your reasons are more than valid.
That said, in regards to combat, I switched the step move with the roll on the PC and found myself dancing between enemies getting a slice or two in as I'm dodging the next enemy, I thought it was a lot of fun, especially if you've read the books as that's how he is kinda represented in them. But it's being lauded as one of the best because it has an open-world that is dirty, mean and beautiful at the same time, it has incredible music, and some of the most meaningful, well-written side quests in a game, where as most are just throwaway collecta-thons in other RPG's. It's not for everyone and the sheer size of the world they've created can be a bit overwhelming if you're not prepared for it. It's, in my opinion the best looking game to come out this year(especially if you add in a couple of mods and hairworks).
MGSV open world is so boring. There's not much to do in it, and I would have just preferred to have been dropped at my destination and infiltrate that way as opposed to this boring traversal to the next area. Even that aside, the fact that there is no good way to listen to the tapes in-game without either, stopping where you are and just listening or sitting somewhere staring at the screen while a timer counts down to the end of the tape so you can then listen to the next one. The tapes in the game are super important to the plot and they are annoying to listen to if you want to do something while listening to them as they muffle the sound of the world while you listen to them.
That said, MGSV has fantastic moment-to-moment gameplay and is a lot of fun to actually play. The tools at your disposal at any given time really add to the versatility and tactics you can approach any situation with.
Wanna stop a truck so you can get into a base? Throw a decoy out and hop in the back while the enemy investigates. Wanna pull the enemies out of a base? Plant C4 a few meters down the road and blow it up for them to investigate and letting you infiltrate. The buddy system is awesome and I loved having DD with me, especially his "keep em' busy" move. Sic em' boy and then switch to the bionic arm and knock the fool out. It's a great game to play, but it's not a great MGS.
The only true solution.
Fair enough, you know what you like and I won't say you're wrong. I'll just say I hated the MB management and I wanted to like the story, there just wasn't enough, or at least enough in an engaging manner(i.e. tapes). Post Chpt. 1, most of the missions are just exact repeats of previous missions. How is that fun? They even take away some of your tools or set conditions(no detection) that are more annoying than engaging. I also like the music, but it's so unmemorable in comparison to MGS1-4. It's not bad, it's just there. Where as MGS1-4 all had memorable themes, there's a couple in MGSV, but none of them stand out as memorable in the same way. Elegia? That's a good one. Quiet's theme? Ehh okay I guess. But it's got nothing on the music from previous titles.
Discotheque
Banned
MGSV has probably some of the worst traversal in an open world game I've seen. I find myself calling a chopper after every mission because who's got time to get to these far apart sideops with a million guard posts in between
A real shame coming off of Arkham knight too which was so damn fun with the moving around the city
A real shame coming off of Arkham knight too which was so damn fun with the moving around the city
LookAtMeGo
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Both such great games. TW3 was a sight to behold but after a while I got pretty burnt out on it. Too much "yes I will help you but first you must help me by going here and talking to this person then come back here so I can send you to somebody else that will ask you to do the same thing". Still it was great.
The way MGS is set up, I have not gone about a mission the same way twice. So many different ways to go at every mission. The more stuff you unlock, the more options open up. You can go back and play old missions with the new gear and its completely different. I love that about it. We will see if I get burnt on it after as much time spent as I did with TW3 though.
Like others have said. I was more invested in the world of TW3 but the gameplay in MGS is just so far beyond what's in TW3, that I can't even get back into it anymore.
I would have to choose MGS but you can't go wrong with either.
Just get Rocket League.
The way MGS is set up, I have not gone about a mission the same way twice. So many different ways to go at every mission. The more stuff you unlock, the more options open up. You can go back and play old missions with the new gear and its completely different. I love that about it. We will see if I get burnt on it after as much time spent as I did with TW3 though.
Like others have said. I was more invested in the world of TW3 but the gameplay in MGS is just so far beyond what's in TW3, that I can't even get back into it anymore.
I would have to choose MGS but you can't go wrong with either.
Just get Rocket League.
family_guy
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I would have prefer they just copy Suikoden. Bring important people with actual personalities and a background back to base and see things change as you do. I think MGSV goes way in the other direction.
RevolverRoden
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My man
BennyBlanco
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Witcher 3. Much prettier game (on pc), better soundtrack, gwent, so many interesting questlines, etc.
Easily my GOTY but MGSV is also really fun.
Easily my GOTY but MGSV is also really fun.
For someone who has read the books it gets really awesome later on, lots of excellently done personal moments between the characters that just hit home for me. I do understand however that some of it gets lost if you do not have that context and for the Baron quest you don't need any context which is why it works best as a standalone element. It's absolutely fair to criticise the game for it but I personally enjoyed how they integrated that story into the bigger picture of the Witcher universe. The game doesn't stop to explain it (except for one optional information dump one of the quests offers) which probably causes some issues for people new to these characters.