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Michael Jackson Spent $35M To Silence 24 Young Boys He Abused Over 15 Years
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The FBI had a file on him and found him guilty of nothing, what questions are you going to ask? Its not like any cases are mysteriously going to appear. His estate is worth a LOT of money so its convenient certain people can now say something happened in a chance to get paid since he is no longer around to defend himself.
Dark Ninja
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Allegedly?
out0v0rder
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Let him rest in peace. I won $250 on the MJ slot machine in vegas last week
ColonelColon
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http://www.showbiz411.com/2013/06/3...les-are-from-people-discredited-long-time-ago
http://www.foxnews.com/story/2005/04/11/jacko-major-domo-lied-about-cashing-in/
It sounds like the article's original source might have been stories provided to the National Enquirer.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/2005/04/11/jacko-major-domo-lied-about-cashing-in/
It sounds like the article's original source might have been stories provided to the National Enquirer.
Note that LeMarque is one of the sources cited in the original OP article.
MrCunningham
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I always liked George Carlin's take on Michael Jackson: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2uC8LSV-j2g
Yeah. Blood on the dance floor is a very slept on album. Behind the mask is also great. Even with all the drama going on and health issues, he still created great songs. He's very consistent (although I admit I prefer the sound of his earlier albums). Best of Joy, I think, was one of the last songs he recorded and it's great. Thankfully MJ has a shit load of songs in the vault. I just hope they don't fuck them up and try to add artists to them when they get released.
Ollie Pooch
In a perfect world, we'd all be homersexual
I'm sure this fact will be ignored.
Raonak
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I think theres a pretty likely chance. He had a pretty fucked childhood, and was a really strange guy. psychologically damaged. it was back in the days before internet was mainstream. a lot of celebrities did shady shit. he was rich. powerful. slept with boys. theres way too much smoke to think nothing at all happened imo.
indigo-cyclops
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Top notch album.
krypt0nian
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No there really isn't.
Anticitizen One
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There is no evidence
Rebel Leader
THE POWER OF BUTTERSCOTCH BOTTOMS
are we sure that's not justin bieber room??
There is no evidence.
While I'm sure 99% of the stories are BS, something inappropriate was absolutely going on. It was just not normal or healthy for any of the people involved no matter what spin the apologists try to put on it. And the fact that he continued to indulge in behaviour that was bound to lead to more speculation and lawsuits even after the sh*t hit the fan only proves how out of touch with reality the man was.
Of course, any parent who's willing to allow their child to spend unsupervised time with an unrelated man, specially one who's being accused of molesting children, should get in trouble with the law themselves.
Of course, any parent who's willing to allow their child to spend unsupervised time with an unrelated man, specially one who's being accused of molesting children, should get in trouble with the law themselves.
Well, there have been allegations that he was. Maybe he was, I don't know, but I've always been aware of the sort of money that changed hands during these court cases. I've also been critical of the parents of these children. There were a number of allegations against him, yet time and time again, the parents would allow their children to stay at his house unsupervised. Why would a responsible parent do this?
Allegations were made and it was settled outside of court for millions. It could be that he bought them off because he was guilty, but at the same time, considering all the options, it would probably have been a lot less stressful and cheaper to settle outside of court. These court cases tend to drag on, and when you're employing high-class lawyers, it tends to cost millions.
Not only were these parents negligent and irresponsible, but they were far more willing to accept money than justice for their children.
It is possible they made these allegations because they knew MJ was more likely to settle than to go through a long court case.
Half and half
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Even in death this man can find no peace.
mattiewheels
And then the LORD David Bowie saith to his Son, Jonny Depp: 'Go, and spread my image amongst the cosmos. For every living thing is in anguish and only the LIGHT shall give them reprieve.'
Neogaf was always a weird place to talk about MJ, since so many people here seem to worship him beyond the usual "oh yeah, he had some great songs" But what really gets me is that some of these guys feel like they "know" him enough to dispel any of the rumors that he was sick. I don't have proof that he was a predator so I can't say either way, but these guys don't have proof that trumps it. I don't think we'll ever know, unlike a guy like Jimmy Saville where the evidence just pours out.
The opposite can be said for those who are positive he was a pedo. I don't think anybody doubts he had psychological issues.
Ollie Pooch
In a perfect world, we'd all be homersexual
Well, I guess it's the fact that numerous FBI investigations showed up nothing that could be proven, plus the shady nature of many of the accusers, as shown by some of the links posted here. He was definitely a weird guy, and I'd certainly put some weight on the allegations (particularly cos of that guy Terry George) but the fact is, there is no actual evidence.
Phat Michael
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it's amazing reading this thread compared to the two threads on the gaming side which accuse superdae of having child porn on his pc and the other with the eternal darkness guy.
those have posts from people actively wishing these guys get raped In prison (none have been convicted) yet in this thread the views seem to be more "he can't even have peace in death" etc.
those have posts from people actively wishing these guys get raped In prison (none have been convicted) yet in this thread the views seem to be more "he can't even have peace in death" etc.
Thunder Monkey
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Generally there are destructive, control, or power dynamics at play with pedophiles.
Think of it in a rapist sense. There's more at work there than sexual attraction. This is partly why most molesters identify as straight.
No one else was really responding to you so I figured I'd lend a hand. Maybe help understand a bit.
NervousXtian
Thought Emoji Movie was good. Take that as you will.
You would if I was asking for your kid to sleep in my bed. Think about that for a minute.
Assuming you have kids. I do.. and if someone asked to have my kid sleep in their bed I'd be calling the police.
Dude was taking really powerful painkillers.. read about his Demerol use... he was a hardcore drug addict in the years leading to his death.
Those are the accusations yes. I haven't seen anything publicly available to say the plying with alcohol was anything more than accusations. In fact it was 3 kids mentioned in police records who supposedly received wine, but only one child's family brought suit. What about the other 2 from the other family? They're only mentioned by child #3 and never charge or accuse MJ at all?
And tabloids have repeated those accusations as facts ad nauseum, and even attributed some of the stories to other people, and those other people have denied it, like Aaron Carter. So it becomes an echo effect, one person's charge suddenly becomes a group of accusers' charges, and even still all we have are accusations. They know he has a weird discoloring marks on his privates, but that could have been an educated guess based on the fact that he had vitiligo, meaning that he may have had weird discoloring everywhere.
edit: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trial_of_Michael_Jackson
I was mistaken. There was supposedly another sister and brother who were mentioned as being served wine as well, but they're not in the court case. The news story might be mistaken or even false though. The accuser was called to question, the family had previous issues with the law and with theft, the main accuser had credibility issues, the witnesses for them and for the prosecution had credibility issues for stealing from the Jackson home, selling info to tabloids, and suing him for wrongful termination. Later coming back to say they saw him molesting or grooming. They made charges of molestation for others who came and denied the claims. I mean, the thing was just shady from the floor up. And all we have are accusations from people who may not be trustworthy, but with all of that, and him settling out of court instead of fighting it in court, the world made up it's mind.
But I'm not so sure anymore.
Also, while I hope the accusations aren't true for obvious reasons, I just have a far, far easier timer seeing MJ molesting boys than banging Brooke Shields and Lisa Marie Presley.
In fact, I'd love to be privy to the details of his marriage to Lisa Marie. I still can't believe he thought it would be a good PR move and I can't understand why she'd agree to be part of the circus.
In fact, I'd love to be privy to the details of his marriage to Lisa Marie. I still can't believe he thought it would be a good PR move and I can't understand why she'd agree to be part of the circus.
Laughing Banana
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I didn't know about FBI investigating him.
Hey, if they couldn't find anything linking him to child abuse/pedophilia, then...? Why do we value a gossip tabloid over FBI in here?
Or... huh, is the FBI a big fan of him or something? Or... *dons a conspiracy hat*, did he pay them?
Hey, if they couldn't find anything linking him to child abuse/pedophilia, then...? Why do we value a gossip tabloid over FBI in here?
Or... huh, is the FBI a big fan of him or something? Or... *dons a conspiracy hat*, did he pay them?
Black-Wind
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I really don't think ANYONE here is saying he's not "sick". He clearly had problems ... doesn't mean he's a pedo.
And as it's been pointed out many times here, those accusers all had a strange air of "shady" to them. Hell, one of/ the first kid came clean about how his dad fabricated the story and had him go along with it. I mean, at the end of the day ... when you look at ALL the things and not just "weird MJ not liking women and hanging with kids ... connect the dots!" it goes in MJs favor from what I see.
From the fact that he was never convicted after all these allegations to the lack of any evidence to the shady accusers to the fact that even the FIB raids couldn't shake-free any proof that he was doing anything ...
Either he's the Dexter of child molestation/ rape or he's simply the victim of shady people using him and his "problems" to get to his money.
acheron_xl
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There's more people in this thread that thinks MJ was pure and innocent than I had thought existed on Earth.
Twilight Gap
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These.
Obviously none of us "know" him, but if even 1% of this were true I wouldn't forget the legacy he's left behind. His music has been with me since I could walk. Hell, I practically look like the guy in his heyday. It's too bad he still can't even escape this kind of attention. You'd have a hard time finding a musician or dancer who doesn't revere him for his legacy, and that's all that matters in the end.
bonesmccoy
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The kind of problems that are almost always, if not always, indicative of pedophilia.
But ok, all these accusations and alleged cover-ups are just attempts to besmirch a real-life angel. How could he be a pedophile/pederast if he was such a good entertainer? Right?
Monocle
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Did you intentionally select the most uncritical posts in the thread?
Twilight Gap
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I quoted the posts on the first page that I agreed with.
I guess the FBI were fans of him too.
Doctor West
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The amount of apologists in this thread is amazing. Just because you like him as an entertainer doesn't mean that he was a saint in his private live. The amount of creepy pedo shit attached to him is too much to ignore. Some shady shit with him and kids went down, but I doubt we'll ever know what it was. You can continue to like his music, but don't act like he was an innocent man who just thought kids were cool. It's embarrassing to read.
Velcro Fly
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The burden of proof is on the accuser. Show me some proof.
JordanN
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Apart from having a book with naked children in it, what was the "creepy pedo" stuff attached to him?
By the way, I'm speaking from neutrality.
Laughing Banana
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From a simple Google Search. So, was the FBI investigation bogus? Does anyone who allege him as a child molester here can respond to how FBI, apparently, failed to produce any kind of proof about his child molestation offense even after a such a thorough investigation?
Or is the FBI simply mistaken? Can someone who is in the agreement that MJ is a child molester here respond? I am interested to know your opinion about this.
vas_a_morir
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Remember when they found this painting in his house after his death?
popGAFwhen asked if MJ is a pedophile.
Is this for real? I can't believe it. At best, it's insanely narcissistic. It's like Troy McClure's aquarium.
ConfusingJazz
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Jerry Sandusky helped children from awful circumstances get ahead in life via his charity, The Second Mile, and was considered to be a pillar of his community.
But he also raped children.
Jimmy Savile raised money for and volunteered at children's hospitals, he had a tv devoted to granting the wishes of children.
But he also raped children.
Being charitable doesn't mean shit.
Ninja Scooter
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I've resigned myself to the fact that now that he is dead, we will never really know the truth. Would it surprise me if a person with MJ's personality and lifestyle were actually a predatory pedophile? Not one bit. Would it surprise me if it turned out he was a naive idiot who was being taken advantage of by money hungry families? Actually that would surprise me a little more, but it is certainly a possibility.
I said I'd like to believe, and I also said we'll never really know. /shrug
bonesmccoy
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Of course! Because coppers never make mistakes, or turn a blind eye, or don't press charges.
Read up on the Catholic Church abuse cases, or just sexual abuse cases in general. You'll be shocked/amazed/depressed by how many times parents and victims went to police and were simply brushed off. Remember, it was't the cops that broke the sex abuse stories in Boston, it was a couple dedicated journalists.
Laughing Banana
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Oh, so to brush off the veracity of the results from (apparently very thorough) FBI investigation, one can simply wave a hand and say, "But the Feds turn a blind eye!"
That's... very convenient.
Note that although I might appear to defending MJ here, I am not (though I don't really care if anyone thought of me as his defender or whatever); I am just interested how a thorough investigation by a reputable law enforcer like the FBI can be just so thoroughly dismissed like that like it's nothing.
The Vatican benefits from covering up such crimes but what does the FBI gain from lying to us about MJ?
Angry Puppy
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FBI investigated him and provided support that he was not a child molester.
http://vault.fbi.gov/Michael Jackson
But it seems that many people would rather believe the tabloids than the FBI.
I actually can't blame them too much because of how widespread the false reports are.
That's not saying MJ isn't weird either. In my opinion, MJ wasn't right in the head, but not in the predator sense. He stated many times he never had a childhood, and finally having the independence and freedom to do anything with his amount of money, he lived in a childlike fantasy that would be creepy to many.(including me) However, I don't believe he ever had any sexual intent with any children, more like he was trying to relive childhood sleepovers.
http://vault.fbi.gov/Michael Jackson
But it seems that many people would rather believe the tabloids than the FBI.
I actually can't blame them too much because of how widespread the false reports are.
That's not saying MJ isn't weird either. In my opinion, MJ wasn't right in the head, but not in the predator sense. He stated many times he never had a childhood, and finally having the independence and freedom to do anything with his amount of money, he lived in a childlike fantasy that would be creepy to many.(including me) However, I don't believe he ever had any sexual intent with any children, more like he was trying to relive childhood sleepovers.
The Illiterati
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REALLY raises an eyebrow, doesn't it? I find this thread just astonishing. Having sleepovers with unrelated children is perverted and severely deviant, I don't care if if he gave them Junior Juice. Anyone who can ignore that is just...wow.
Wolves Evolve
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I have no idea why people can't just accept what's in front of their eyes. What does it matter? I still watch Polanski films, I'm not some moral lunatic. Michael Jackson was pop's bigger ever icon, and he abused children and it is not up for debate that both of those things are true, together.
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