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Please stop making people fool.

The alternative of MS acquiring ABK is NOT Sony acquiring ABK. The alternative is that ABK remains independent and continues to publish its games across all platforms (PC/Xbox/PS/Switch) as they have been doing for decades now.

Acquiring ABK is only going to decrease the number of players ABK games are available to.
The alternative you propose may also end up having MS leaving the video game market. It's a distinct possibility and one that MS has considered not so long ago. Big corporations are prone to take drastic measures very quickly. In mi opinion, after the merger Sony will still be the leading actor in the market by a wide margin, and it's output will probably increase in quality and numbers. Without the merger, I have my doubts MS will stick around for next generation.
 
The alternative you propose may also end up having MS leaving the video game market. It's a distinct possibility and one that MS has considered not so long ago. Big corporations are prone to take drastic measures very quickly. In mi opinion, after the merger Sony will still be the leading actor in the market by a wide margin, and it's output will probably increase in quality and numbers. Without the merger, I have my doubts MS will stick around for next generation.
But other companies should not be penalized just to protect one other company that is unable to compete because of its own continuous mistakes.

Microsoft has more studios, more developers, and more money than PlayStation. They should be able to compete and actually be the #1 gaming company -- ahead of PlayStation and Nintendo.

But if they can't compete despite having more developers and resources and after just buying Zenimax, then honestly, they don't deserve it then. Let the open market correct itself.
 
Yes I'm definitely not trying to exterminate people like adamsapple adamsapple from these forums. He does good things like those Digital Foundry summaries. But then he makes silly mistakes by constantly jabbing one side while always praising the other. It's these types of things that gets him in trouble but I'm pretty open when it comes to my preferences and I don't try to hide them.
Leave my beautiful meme machine alone 💚
 
But other companies should not be penalized just to protect one other company that is unable to compete because of its own continuous mistakes.

Microsoft has more studios, more developers, and more money than PlayStation. They should be able to compete and actually be the #1 gaming company -- ahead of PlayStation and Nintendo.

But if they can't compete despite having more developers and resources and after just buying Zenimax, then honestly, they don't deserve it then. Let the open market correct itself.

Not sure if Xbox has more Game Developers than PlayStation.

Bungie alone is massive, + all the support studios that aren't even 'official' like Visual Arts, SN Systems or AudioKinect.

Bungie alone is also aiming to grow to 2000+ Developers and has been recruiting massively behind the scenes.
 
But other companies should not be penalized just to protect one other company that is unable to compete because of its own continuous mistakes.

Microsoft has more studios, more developers, and more money than PlayStation. They should be able to compete and actually be the #1 gaming company -- ahead of PlayStation and Nintendo.

But if they can't compete despite having more developers and resources and after just buying Zenimax, then honestly, they don't deserve it then. Let the open market correct itself.

This, a million times this. If Xbox isn't an alternative to PlayStation right now it's because of its own incompetence.
 
Yes I'm definitely not trying to exterminate people like adamsapple adamsapple from these forums. He does good things like those Digital Foundry summaries. But then he makes silly mistakes by constantly jabbing one side while always praising the other. It's these types of things that gets him in trouble but I'm pretty open when it comes to my preferences and I don't try to hide them.
Yep as much as we had disagreements (and we've had a lot), I would never block him(her?) he contributes a lot to this forum and He'd stay polite even when we had strong disagrements.Some other seems to be incapable of handling the slightest critic toward their favorite brand.
But when some people never contributes to anything they'll pop right in my ignore list. adamsapple adamsapple is not one of those useless warriors that are incapable of anything that blatant lies and trolls (if he could just drop the blatant, obvious double standard he'd be a really great gaffer to me).

Edit: adamsapple adamsapple you don't get to like my post we are still ennemies
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Yep as much as we had disagreements (and we've had a lot), I would never block him(her?) he contributes a lot to this forum and He'd stay polite even when we had strong disagrements.Some other seems to be incapable of handling the slightest critic toward their favorite brand.
But when some people never contributes to anything they'll pop right in my ignore list. adamsapple adamsapple is not one of those useless warriors that are incapable of anything that blatant lies and trolls (if he could just drop the blatant, obvious double standard he'd be a really great gaffer to me).

Edit: adamsapple adamsapple you don't get to like my post we are still ennemies
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This guy is terror against us.
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Yep as much as we had disagreements (and we've had a lot), I would never block him(her?) he contributes a lot to this forum and He'd stay polite even when we had strong disagrements.Some other seems to be incapable of handling the slightest critic toward their favorite brand.
But when some people never contributes to anything they'll pop right in my ignore list. adamsapple adamsapple is not one of those useless warriors that are incapable of anything that blatant lies and trolls (if he could just drop the blatant, obvious double standard he'd be a really great gaffer to me).

Edit: adamsapple adamsapple you don't get to like my post we are still ennemies
Count Rugen The Princess Bride GIF by Disney+
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Most of the time his posts are pretty sensible. But every once in a while I read one that's sort of like a petty outburst from him. That's usually when he gets banned from a thread (scared Sony comment) or banned for a month (persecution complex comment).

He can contribute a lot to this forum but I agree he needs to stop being one sided and constantly dig at the competition while pretending to be a neutral gamer. That's usually what derails thread and makes others upset here.

Most of us have room for improvement including me.
 
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Guys I thought this was the activision acquisition thread, not the debate on adamsapples posting habits topic. Far from me to ask others to get back to the topic, but plz :messenger_grinning_sweat:
 
The alternative you propose may also end up having MS leaving the video game market. It's a distinct possibility and one that MS has considered not so long ago. Big corporations are prone to take drastic measures very quickly. In mi opinion, after the merger Sony will still be the leading actor in the market by a wide margin, and it's output will probably increase in quality and numbers. Without the merger, I have my doubts MS will stick around for next generation.

The regulator isn't there to help MS make money in it's business endeavours.

If MS leaves the gaming market - ok, that's their prerogative. Other companies will happily jump into the space they leave and that may well be better for consumers.

No one seems upset that stadia is disappearing. Sega "left" and MS jumped in. There have been plenty of joiners and leavers over time. Indeed Nintendo has had more than one duff product and still has managed to be successful and sustainable in gaming as has Sony.

The regulator is there to protect consumer interests through protection of healthy competitive market forces. They do that by providing equality of opportunity for companies - they're not there to guarantee equality of outcome for them. The outcome a company gets is based on how well it meets consumer wishes.

If MS determines it is not making enough money from gaming, that is due to their own poor performance and they are free to exit the marketplace.

What MS cannot do, is jeopardise a healthy and functional marketplace by monopolising a significant portion of it through acquisition, thereby reducing consumer choice. The regulators are rightfully assessing the risk of this now.
 
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This, a million times this. If Xbox isn't an alternative to PlayStation right now it's because of its own incompetence.

Yeah the story that because MS is the (trillion dollar) underdog and are in 3rd place, they should be allowed to buy one of the biggest publishers to compete is some desperate nonsense.

That's how the market works in this case. They're 3rd because their strategy and studio management is dire as well as a combination of several other things. One of those other things is their incompetence when it comes to markets outside the biggest two or three where they are trounced because they don't seem to give a fuck unless you're from the US/UK. Image problem is another factor. The brand is dated and still very male and American-centric.

So the idea that there needs to be an intervention (or lack of it in this case), so they are artificially propped up, is ridiculous because Xbox has been floundering for 10 years and the market has rightfully gone the other way.
 
Its a huge L, need city to drop points to keep a somewhat comfortable leead.
Hope Spurs (🤢) can beat them. If not, then we can only count ourselves.

And so the downfall begins. Mwhahahaha
Partey was injured. He shouldn't have started this game. If we were able to get ceicedo, this game would have been different. Jorginho isn't fit for this team.
And worst of all, the team was shit today.

Hope this loss can motivate the team like that ManU loss.
 
Even when the Gooners had a 12-point lead I knew they weren't winning the title, and I like them more than any other club in England. Sorry lads it was never happening :messenger_tongue:
 
Guys I thought this was the activision acquisition thread, not the debate on adamsapples posting habits topic. Far from me to ask others to get back to the topic, but plz :messenger_grinning_sweat:

Maybe work on getting your tag changed first?

Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?

Posting habits could have something to do with your issues.

LOL

:p

Maybe you deserve a thread at this point.

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The idiocy continues. Did you know Gamepass is in its second year of net profit? Did you know Xbox recently recorded its largest gross revenue ever? Same goes for Ninty and Sony.

The level of misinformation and wilful ignorance should no longer surprise me anymore but here we are.
I don't believe anything without figures. All they talk about on MSFT earnings calls is revenue and Gamepass users, the word profit is never mentioned.

Puff piece interviews and tweets don't count in my book.
 
MS has released games on other consoles previously. Have those titles been cloud only? MS has never released a cloud only title before and there is no evidence they would start now. Cloud is a feature.

Your entire argument failed right here at the beginning. Other consoles aren't relevant. The Nintendo Switch isn't as powerful as the other consoles. That is why they get far less AAA games ported to it.
 
Your entire argument failed right here at the beginning. Other consoles aren't relevant. The Nintendo Switch isn't as powerful as the other consoles. That is why they get far less AAA games ported to it.

There will be a Switch successor in the next 12 to 18 months. There won't be a new CoD until next year. It's way more likely that the next Nintendo console will get a CoD game pending approval of this deal than the other way around.
 
New article from NY Times' Dealbook, more of an analysis piece with no new info, but still interesting to read imo:

Microsoft's Activision Deal Tests a New Global Alignment on Antitrust

Until recently, antitrust regulators in Europe and the United States took different approaches. Now, they're on the same page — which some experts say makes closing deals harder.

By Ephrat Livni and Michael J. de la Merced
Feb. 4, 2023Updated 9:37 a.m. ET

When Microsoft announced its $70 billion acquisition of the video game maker Activision Blizzard last year, almost everyone involved expected antitrust inquiries from officials in the European Union and Britain, and many thought regulators there would try to block the deal. What U.S. enforcers would do, however, was less clear.

By December, it had become apparent that all three regulators would scrutinize the deal — and that they were playing off one another's plans.

The tell? The Federal Trade Commission chose to sue Microsoft in its own administrative court rather than first moving to block the deal in a federal court. Typically, the agency would seek a temporary injunction from a federal judge to stop a transaction from going through before trial; in this case, the European Union's antitrust authority had already announced it was reviewing the deal. And the F.T.C. knew Europe's inquiry meant the deal was at least many months away from closing, so it went straight to its own, more favorable court.

Welcome to the modern era of global antitrust enforcement — an elaborate labyrinth of regulatory bodies working together.

Cooperation among antitrust regulators isn't new, and U.S. regulators have long discussed timing on cases, arguments, objections and potential remedies with their foreign counterparts. The shift now is that what are perhaps the three most important regulators worldwide — the F.T.C., the European Commission, and Britain's Competition and Markets Authority — are roughly on the same page. All of them want to be seen as tough on deals.

Microsoft's Activision deal is the biggest test yet of this new alignment between global antitrust enforcers, which some lawyers say is making it tougher for big corporations to close deals.

Microsoft's case


Officials in more than a dozen countries are reviewing Microsoft's Activision deal, which would vault Microsoft to the top of the $175 billion gaming industry. Some fear that if Microsoft owns Activision, it could make some of the world's most popular games, like "Call of Duty," exclusive to its Xbox consoles.

Microsoft has said that it is not interested in this strategy, and that it is acquiring Activision to gain a foothold in mobile gaming and virtual reality. In filings and statements, the company has pledged to keep licensing of Activision games open to its competitors including Sony and Nintendo.

In the past, so-called behavioral remedies, in which companies pledge to refrain from certain activities that could hurt competition, had been accepted by antitrust enforcers, such was the case in the 2010 merger of Live Nation and Ticketmaster. But today, it's harder for companies to make these sorts of compromises.

Until recently, the European Commission was often seen as the toughest antitrust regulator, taking a more expansive view of what could harm competition. On the other end of the spectrum was the United States, where decades of precedent leaned toward a more limited view of the kinds of deals that should be blocked. And so deal makers believed that if they could appease the European Union with a behavioral remedy, their transaction was likely to survive global scrutiny.

That has changed. Britain's Competition and Markets Authority, which was established in 2014, has positioned itself as pushing for tougher powers after Brexit, presenting itself as a check on Big Tech and other corporate giants. In the United States, President Biden has appointed antitrust officials — Lina Khan of the F.T.C. and Jonathan Kanter of the Justice Department's antitrust division — who have expansive takes on regulating competition. Khan, in particular, has championed cracking down on mergers and Big Tech, and she has said she is willing to take on tough-to-win cases to help stretch the boundaries of antitrust law.

Cracking down on consolidation, especially in Big Tech, is politically popular on both the right and left, and antitrust cases are getting more attention from the public.

One former enforcement official, who asked not to be named because his employer had not authorized him to comment, put it this way to DealBook: Regulators would rather fight to block a deal and lose than accept a compromise, because the political cost of agreement is too steep.

Alignment across The Atlantic

The F.T.C. opposed Microsoft's bid to acquire Activision in a lawsuit filed in December. Microsoft's legal team also expects the antitrust authority in Britain to oppose the transaction, while it believes the European Commission is open to potential remedies, according to four people briefed on the matter who were not authorized to speak publicly.

Some of these people said that Microsoft was hoping to convince both Britain and the European Union to accept its concessions and approve the deal, which could make it easier for the company to reach an agreement with the F.T.C. before the scheduled administrative trial starts in the summer. If all of the agencies accept the compromise, the (perhaps wishful) thinking goes, none of them will look weak on Big Tech.

That logic also works in reverse: Any of the three agencies could instead put pressure on the others to oppose the acquisition.

Still, the closer philosophical alignment of American, British and European merger enforcers has its limits, as a major blow to the F.T.C. this week made clear. A federal judge rejected the agency's bid to block a deal by Meta, Facebook's parent company, to buy a virtual reality fitness start-up. That case was built upon a little-tested legal theory that the deal would hurt future competition in an untested market — similar to the F.T.C.'s argument that Microsoft's purchase of Activision would be a threat to the still-nascent market for cloud-based gaming.

Ms. Khan herself has suggested that even if these types of cases fail, they can still push the boundaries of antitrust enforcement. For example, in the decision on Meta's bid to buy Within, which was unsealed on Friday evening, the judge found merit in the legal theory even while deciding the facts in the particular case were unconvincing.

"The new heads are trying to understand new harms," said Eleanor Fox, a professor at N.Y.U. law school who is an expert in competition policy. "They're moving into new territory."

Link: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/04/business/dealbook/microsofts-activision-deal.html
Archive: https://archive.is/IAb9O
 
There will be a Switch successor in the next 12 to 18 months. There won't be a new CoD until next year. It's way more likely that the next Nintendo console will get a CoD game pending approval of this deal than the other way around.
COD used to previously release on Nintendo hardware by Activision (without Microsoft's help). If Nintendo releases a hardware that is comparable to current-gen consoles, Activision can once again bring back COD to Switch v2. It's not subject to pending the approval of the acquisition.
 
COD used to previously release on Nintendo hardware by Activision (without Microsoft's help). If Nintendo releases a hardware that is comparable to current-gen consoles, Activision can once again bring back COD to Switch v2. It's not subject to pending the approval of the acquisition.

It's not subject but at least one party has made their intentions clear that they *will* bring the game to Nintendo platforms again.
 
A well thought out post, I agree that the only way the CMA approves this is with divestiture.

However, I can't see it being Xbox hardware. That would remove options from the consumer and would lead to Sony being able to implement anti-consumer practices - which is counter to the CMA's purpose.

I think they'd have to sell some/all of 343i, The Coalition, Blizzard Entertainment, id Software, MachineGames & Arkane. The CMA have noted in their phase 1 report how if this deal were to pass Xbox would own popular shooters like Halo, Gears, CoD, Overwatch and Doom.

But I don't even know if they will offer divestiture. That's probably best case scenario for MS.

Or...they can just spin off COD into its own company. Like The Pokemon Company. Let it operate independently, with MS still retaining partial ownership.

That's probably one of the more obvious concessions IMO. I think one of the others might be offering xCloud as its own app not tied to Game Pass, that one would be for mobile and possibly act as a way of other platform holders (i.e Sony & Nintendo) being OK with Game Pass on their systems. Let alone the fact it would probably also help with things on the mobile front (I guess).

I don't really see why concessions would involve non-ABK properties, when the whole thing is about ABK and its IPs. That doesn't necessarily make sense to me, especially considering all of those options you just listed still amount to less combined than COD on its own.
 
It's not subject but at least one party has made their intentions clear that they *will* bring the game to Nintendo platforms again.
But it's redundant as ABK is already releasing Nintendo games, and not just for "10 years" but in perpetuity.

ABK has already released the following games on Nintendo Switch. They didn't need Microsoft to port these games on Nintendo.
  • Blizzard Arcade Collection
  • Skylanders: Imaginators
  • Crash Bandicoot N. Sane Trilogy
  • Crash Team Racing Nitro-Fueled
  • Spyro Reignited Trilogy
  • Crash Bandicoot 4: It's About Time
  • Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 1 + 2
 
But it's redundant as ABK is already releasing Nintendo games, and not just for "10 years" but in perpetuity.


We're talking about CoD specifically. Namely, new CoD games, not watered down ports of 2 gen old ones.

Nintendo hasn't seen one of those for a while and there wasn't any communication from ABK proper about remedying that any time soon.

Though it was one of the first talking points after the announcement of the acquisition all the way back in Feb that MS intends to bring CoD back to Switch.
 
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But it's redundant as ABK is already releasing Nintendo games, and not just for "10 years" but in perpetuity.

ABK has already released the following games on Nintendo Switch. They didn't need Microsoft to port these games on Nintendo.
  • Blizzard Arcade Collection
  • Skylanders: Imaginators
  • Crash Bandicoot N. Sane Trilogy
  • Crash Team Racing Nitro-Fueled
  • Spyro Reignited Trilogy
  • Crash Bandicoot 4: It's About Time
  • Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 1 + 2

I wonder whats going to happen to those franchises now?

Curious to see if they still release on Sony or Nintendo systems.
 
We're talking about CoD specifically. Namely, new CoD games, not watered down ports of 2 gen old ones.

Nintendo hasn't seen one of those for a while and there wasn't any communication from ABK proper about remedying that any time soon.

Though it was one of the first talking points after the announcement of the acquisition all the way back in Feb that MS intends to bring CoD back to Switch.
As I said, COD used to come on Activision, until Nintendo's hardware started lagging behind. The availability of COD on Nintendo depends on hardware.

And if Nintendo releases a hardware that's comparable to current-gen consoles, Activision will bring those games on their own (as they have always done; COD used to release on Nintendo just until a few years ago until the hardware became too low-powered to keep up). ABK releases all other games that can run on the platform.
 
Absolutely, they won't. Microsoft even canceled ports for Hi-Fi Rush and Psychonauts 2 (PS5 version). They can be really cheap when it comes to this type of stuff.

Well they do own those companies so they can do what they want with them.

However this will only give regulators ammo to use. If Microsoft tries to argue that they will keep the developers multiplatform this could be used as proof that there's no guarantee of that.
 
Well they do own those companies so they can do what they want with them.
So will the case if/when Microsoft closes the ABK acquisition. They will own ABK so they can do what they want with them -- and it's unlikely they will port those smaller games to other platforms as recent precedence suggests.
However this will only give regulators ammo to use. If Microsoft tries to argue that they will keep the developers multiplatform this could be used as proof that there's no guarantee of that.
So far all arguments and discussions with regulatory bodies have revolved around COD, unfortunately. These other IPs haven't been discussed at all, so I doubt there would be concessions (if any) about these IPs.
 
The open market is trying to correct itself with this deal, but unfortunately it isn't as open as it should be so there is resistance to the balancing act.
It isn't exactly the open market correcting itself when Xbox takes its parent company's money to buy the biggest independent publishers only to remove games from their competitor's platform.

A true 'balancing act' would have been Xbox investing in new games, studio setups, and expansion of teams to produce more Xbox games and add to the industry.
 
New article from NY Times' Dealbook, more of an analysis piece with no new info, but still interesting to read imo:

Microsoft's Activision Deal Tests a New Global Alignment on Antitrust

Until recently, antitrust regulators in Europe and the United States took different approaches. Now, they're on the same page — which some experts say makes closing deals harder.

By Ephrat Livni and Michael J. de la Merced
Feb. 4, 2023Updated 9:37 a.m. ET

When Microsoft announced its $70 billion acquisition of the video game maker Activision Blizzard last year, almost everyone involved expected antitrust inquiries from officials in the European Union and Britain, and many thought regulators there would try to block the deal. What U.S. enforcers would do, however, was less clear.

By December, it had become apparent that all three regulators would scrutinize the deal — and that they were playing off one another's plans.

The tell? The Federal Trade Commission chose to sue Microsoft in its own administrative court rather than first moving to block the deal in a federal court. Typically, the agency would seek a temporary injunction from a federal judge to stop a transaction from going through before trial; in this case, the European Union's antitrust authority had already announced it was reviewing the deal. And the F.T.C. knew Europe's inquiry meant the deal was at least many months away from closing, so it went straight to its own, more favorable court.

Welcome to the modern era of global antitrust enforcement — an elaborate labyrinth of regulatory bodies working together.

Cooperation among antitrust regulators isn't new, and U.S. regulators have long discussed timing on cases, arguments, objections and potential remedies with their foreign counterparts. The shift now is that what are perhaps the three most important regulators worldwide — the F.T.C., the European Commission, and Britain's Competition and Markets Authority — are roughly on the same page. All of them want to be seen as tough on deals.

Microsoft's Activision deal is the biggest test yet of this new alignment between global antitrust enforcers, which some lawyers say is making it tougher for big corporations to close deals.

Microsoft's case


Officials in more than a dozen countries are reviewing Microsoft's Activision deal, which would vault Microsoft to the top of the $175 billion gaming industry. Some fear that if Microsoft owns Activision, it could make some of the world's most popular games, like "Call of Duty," exclusive to its Xbox consoles.

Microsoft has said that it is not interested in this strategy, and that it is acquiring Activision to gain a foothold in mobile gaming and virtual reality. In filings and statements, the company has pledged to keep licensing of Activision games open to its competitors including Sony and Nintendo.

In the past, so-called behavioral remedies, in which companies pledge to refrain from certain activities that could hurt competition, had been accepted by antitrust enforcers, such was the case in the 2010 merger of Live Nation and Ticketmaster. But today, it's harder for companies to make these sorts of compromises.

Until recently, the European Commission was often seen as the toughest antitrust regulator, taking a more expansive view of what could harm competition. On the other end of the spectrum was the United States, where decades of precedent leaned toward a more limited view of the kinds of deals that should be blocked. And so deal makers believed that if they could appease the European Union with a behavioral remedy, their transaction was likely to survive global scrutiny.

That has changed. Britain's Competition and Markets Authority, which was established in 2014, has positioned itself as pushing for tougher powers after Brexit, presenting itself as a check on Big Tech and other corporate giants. In the United States, President Biden has appointed antitrust officials — Lina Khan of the F.T.C. and Jonathan Kanter of the Justice Department's antitrust division — who have expansive takes on regulating competition. Khan, in particular, has championed cracking down on mergers and Big Tech, and she has said she is willing to take on tough-to-win cases to help stretch the boundaries of antitrust law.

Cracking down on consolidation, especially in Big Tech, is politically popular on both the right and left, and antitrust cases are getting more attention from the public.

One former enforcement official, who asked not to be named because his employer had not authorized him to comment, put it this way to DealBook: Regulators would rather fight to block a deal and lose than accept a compromise, because the political cost of agreement is too steep.

Alignment across The Atlantic

The F.T.C. opposed Microsoft's bid to acquire Activision in a lawsuit filed in December. Microsoft's legal team also expects the antitrust authority in Britain to oppose the transaction, while it believes the European Commission is open to potential remedies, according to four people briefed on the matter who were not authorized to speak publicly.

Some of these people said that Microsoft was hoping to convince both Britain and the European Union to accept its concessions and approve the deal, which could make it easier for the company to reach an agreement with the F.T.C. before the scheduled administrative trial starts in the summer. If all of the agencies accept the compromise, the (perhaps wishful) thinking goes, none of them will look weak on Big Tech.

That logic also works in reverse: Any of the three agencies could instead put pressure on the others to oppose the acquisition.

Still, the closer philosophical alignment of American, British and European merger enforcers has its limits, as a major blow to the F.T.C. this week made clear. A federal judge rejected the agency's bid to block a deal by Meta, Facebook's parent company, to buy a virtual reality fitness start-up. That case was built upon a little-tested legal theory that the deal would hurt future competition in an untested market — similar to the F.T.C.'s argument that Microsoft's purchase of Activision would be a threat to the still-nascent market for cloud-based gaming.

Ms. Khan herself has suggested that even if these types of cases fail, they can still push the boundaries of antitrust enforcement. For example, in the decision on Meta's bid to buy Within, which was unsealed on Friday evening, the judge found merit in the legal theory even while deciding the facts in the particular case were unconvincing.

"The new heads are trying to understand new harms," said Eleanor Fox, a professor at N.Y.U. law school who is an expert in competition policy. "They're moving into new territory."

Link: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/04/business/dealbook/microsofts-activision-deal.html
Archive: https://archive.is/IAb9O
Isn't this technically new info? Their legal team's expecting the CMA to sue to block the deal & believe the EU might be open to remedies.
The F.T.C. opposed Microsoft's bid to acquire Activision in a lawsuit filed in December. Microsoft's legal team also expects the antitrust authority in Britain to oppose the transaction, while it believes the European Commission is open to potential remedies, according to four people briefed on the matter who were not authorized to speak publicly.
Some of these people said that Microsoft was hoping to convince both Britain and the European Union to accept its concessions and approve the deal, which could make it easier for the company to reach an agreement with the F.T.C. before the scheduled administrative trial starts in the summer. If all of the agencies accept the compromise, the (perhaps wishful) thinking goes, none of them will look weak on Big Tech.
 
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There will be a Switch successor in the next 12 to 18 months. There won't be a new CoD until next year. It's way more likely that the next Nintendo console will get a CoD game pending approval of this deal than the other way around.

It's fine to make assumptions, but let's not pretend that our assumptions are facts. Just like you can't state as a fact that the Nintendo Switch successor will release in the next 12-18 months, you also can't state that the Nintendo Switch successor will be powerful enough to run Call of Duty games natively, nor can you state that Microsoft (assuming they do acquire Activision Blizzard King) will want to pursue native ports of Call of Duty games versus just using a cloud version. Again, everything you and DarkMage619 DarkMage619 are saying revolves around assumptions being made, but you're spouting this stuff off as if they are facts. Neither of you are privy to the deal that Microsoft has offered Nintendo. Neither of you can say for certain that Microsoft will, upon completing this acquisition, offer native ports versus just using Xbox Cloud Gaming.
 
Absolutely, they won't. Microsoft even canceled ports for Hi-Fi Rush and Psychonauts 2 (PS5 version). They can be really cheap when it comes to this type of stuff.

There was never a PS5 version in development for Hi-Fi Rush.


As I said, COD used to come on Activision, until Nintendo's hardware started lagging behind. The availability of COD on Nintendo depends on hardware.

Base Xbox is still getting new CoD games and that hardware is barely a stones throw above Switch. This will naturally be remedied with the next generation Nintendo hardware.


It's fine to make assumptions, but let's not pretend that our assumptions are facts. Just like you can't state as a fact that the Nintendo Switch successor will release in the next 12-18 months, you also can't state that the Nintendo Switch successor will be powerful enough to run Call of Duty games natively, nor can you state that Microsoft (assuming they do acquire Activision Blizzard King) will want to pursue native ports of Call of Duty games versus just using a cloud version. Again, everything you and DarkMage619 DarkMage619 are saying revolves around assumptions being made, but you're spouting this stuff off as if they are facts. Neither of you are privy to the deal that Microsoft has offered Nintendo. Neither of you can say for certain that Microsoft will, upon completing this acquisition, offer native ports versus just using Xbox Cloud Gaming.

This is Phil's direct quote a few months back, he's talking about multiplatform development in context of Nintendo, not just throwing in an Xcloud verison.

"Minecraft and Call of Duty are different games. But from how you get games onto Nintendo, how you run a development team that is targeting multiple platforms, that's experience we have."

Everything can be taken as an assumption, but they (multiple people from MS) have clearly and openly talked about their intent to bring CoD back to Nintendo platforms. There's very little room for assumption in that fact at least.
 
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So will the case if/when Microsoft closes the ABK acquisition. They will own ABK so they can do what they want with them -- and it's unlikely they will port those smaller games to other platforms as recent precedence suggests.

So far all arguments and discussions with regulatory bodies have revolved around COD, unfortunately. These other IPs haven't been discussed at all, so I doubt there would be concessions (if any) about these IPs.

I'm definitely expecting Microsoft to take some franchises away unless concessions are forced on them. I guess we have to wait and see what happens.
 
Isn't this technically new info? Their legal team's expecting the CMA to sue to block the deal & believe the EU might be open to remedies.
The article seems to get some stuff wrong. They're not buying ABK to get a foothold in virtual reality. Also the 3 main regulators here are not working as closely as this article lets on. The FTC tried to influence the EC but failed.

Maybe Microsoft's lawyers have an idea that CMA is going to oppose, but there are conflicting reports saying that Microsoft is in the dark on what the CMA is going to do like everyone else.
 
We're talking about CoD specifically. Namely, new CoD games, not watered down ports of 2 gen old ones.

Nintendo hasn't seen one of those for a while and there wasn't any communication from ABK proper about remedying that any time soon.

Or to put it more accurately, there is currently no market on Nintendo platforms for CoD…

But there is on Sony platforms and that market is well established - exactly the platforms MS is trying to remove the franchise from and hoping to herd the refugees to its platforms and hoover up their cash.

Let's see if the FTC and international regulators feel that is a reasonable way for MS to gain market share.
 
The article seems to get some stuff wrong. They're not buying ABK to get a foothold in virtual reality.
This is based on the metaverse comments by Kotick at the time of the acquisition being mixed up with Metas metaverse.

Virtual reality doesn't necessarily mean a headset here I don't think but virtual worlds:



Also the 3 main regulators here are not working as closely as this article lets on. The FTC tried to influence the EC but failed.
How do you know they aren't working closely or something failed? What did they fail on?
 
Or to put it more accurately, there is currently no market on Nintendo platforms for CoD…

But there is on Sony platforms and that market is well established - exactly the platforms MS is trying to remove the franchise from and hoping to herd the refugees to its platforms and hoover up their cash.

Let's see if the FTC and international regulators feel that is a reasonable way for MS to gain market share.

MS is not removing CoD from the Sony platforms, there has been enough backlash and enough assurances from them on the matter already that we can put that to bed. This isn't something that can be correlated to the "case by case basis" Bethesda statement, as they have specifically said CoD will stay by name.
 
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