IT can if they are selling it everywhere else. PLus we all know MS is no stranger to eating short term loss for long term gains. Another thing to consider is that game development is NOT getting any cheaper..infact its getting more expensive....expect more price hikes on digital and physical sales..at some point GP is gonna look a lot more temtping even than it does now, when games are baseline $100 a pop because MTXs are more likely to enduce backlash, depending on the game it will be safer for devs and publishers to put the cost up front...or go tthe sub route and assuming their game is engaging enough people will spend what they would spend on the cost of the game instead on MTX for the game. I know Ive spent more on ESO and destiny than the cost of most single player games with their DLC..... there some kind of burning the candles at both ends type of shit going on in the games biz I reckon as far as the cost of games and making money from them. and in a world where people are not so finnacially strong, gamepass and MTX might be their best chance in the future at making money. Things are changing . a new generation of ganers are grwoing up with radically diferent gaming habits to people who played through the 80, 90s and even 00s. Iremember being 17 and working at computer exchange...we sold waaay more used games than new ones... humans trend to be cheapskates..if we can have the exact thing we want for a fraction of the price we will take it. especially during a recession! I dont know many gamers in real life but I know plenty of price conscious regular folk, with kids and bills !I don't think COD will launch day one on gamepass at its current price
I have no idea what will happen.
but I know something...
Capcom will be Metacritic's 2023 publisher of the year.
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Ready for RE4make to be the lightning striking twice.
If COD was popular on the XB360, way didn't those gamers stay with Xbox?
No matter how much text you type. At the end of the day, it was the Playstation exclusives that made the PS4 as popular as it is and COD being exclusive to Xbox isn't going to change that.
Makes sense. Did you see the picture of him in the red jacket? Man looked miserable.Hearing reports from Europe that Jim Ryan was spotted crying alone in his car. Witnesses heard muffled sobbing, resembling a “dying animal”.
Yeah I don't really care either. Regardless of what Sony provides them with, if its of any value there is a transaction there. Cash or resources is irrelevant. What matters is they take that money or something money provides and converts it into an exclusive.I don’t think you know how a lot of Sony’s exclusivity deals work. The developers and publishers get a lot more than money.
There were a shit load of people which moved from xbox 360 to ps4 instead of xbox one because of tv focus and drm.Take a good look at this image.
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Realistically speaking.
How many playstation gamers you think is going to switch to Xbox if Microsoft acquires Activision and leave behind these?
PlayStation exclusives
Dualsense features
PS VR 2
Their Playstation catalog
It doesn't matter how much revenue or popularity COD generates on consoles.
What matter is where that revenue and popularity lies and 80% of that lies with Playstation.
COD was never an exclusive, so how can you say gamers go where COD goes?They didnt stay because as I stated in my post they are COD fans and not loyal to any platform.... They go where COD goes. you say it was sonys exclusives that won the day for them during the PS4 era... Im sorry but thats only partly true. It was MS very public mistakes with xbox, sonys taunts at early E3 pressers (heres how to share a game). I attribute PS4 success to xbox failures, sony always had lots of good exclusives but non of them were doing COD numbers. a lot of what they have done since then has been right out of the X360 playbook. PS5 has been cruising on that good will gained from the PS4 era backed by sonys consitency and quality...While MS has consitently made poor choices in that same timeframe.... Sony have done an excellent job with their platform. I dont even own a playstation and Ill say that. Ill give them that. but you are crazy if you think the biggest attribute to their success so far does not come from the network effect of being the marketing home of the biggest FPS in the world.... But whatever make you feel better. sony knows what is buttering their bread better than you do....
If COD was popular on the XB360, way didn't those gamers stay with Xbox?
No. And you know that.No matter how much text you type. At the end of the day, it was the Playstation exclusives that made the PS4 as popular as it is and COD being exclusive to Xbox isn't going to change that.
Imo, the XB1 launch was good.
Because Don Mattrick f'd everything up for xbox from the push on a tv set top box, cutting 1st party development, stopped doing third party deals (COD), weak hardware.. The list goes on and on. I'm convinced if Peter Moore was there at the time the X1 launched none of this crap would have happened.If COD was popular on the XB360, way didn't those gamers stay with Xbox?
No matter how much text you type. At the end of the day, it was the Playstation exclusives that made the PS4 as popular as it is and COD being exclusive to Xbox isn't going to change that.
If cod became exclusive(it is not the case) i would say in us and uk ps would lose half of it install base.Take a good look at this image.
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Realistically speaking.
How many playstation gamers you think is going to switch to Xbox if Microsoft acquires Activision and leave behind these?
PlayStation exclusives
Dualsense features
PS VR 2
Their Playstation catalog
It doesn't matter how much revenue or popularity COD generates on consoles.
What matter is where that revenue and popularity lies and 80% of that lies with Playstation.
People moved because they wanted to play Playstation exclusives.There were a shit load of people which moved from xbox 360 to ps4 instead of xbox one because of tv focus and drm.
They didn't move because of sonys exclusives. If that was the case they wouldn't have had a 360 to begin with.
Again, the majority who plays fifa or cod usually play a little less of everything else, including exclusives.
Also, Gaf isn't the outside picture of reality.
People gave up assymetrical controllers for symmetrical, which shows the majority doesn't give a shit about the controllers, especially gimmick ones.
The average timmt who plays cod is probably not the same niche guy who tosses the console price on a niche Gr peripheral.
VR is still niche and will always be it.
Cods revenue is from the platform that has most users.
A lot of these people will follow where cod is.
Xbox getting cod as exclusive will move a lot of xbox consoles.
Not everyone is a dedicated fanboy.
Some can move, some can have both platforms at the same time.
Crazy, I know.
They might not sell their ps, but they would very likely buy a xbox, s or x doesn't matter, to play cod.
Exclusives are important.Let's face the fact.
Exclusives are important for a console to be popular. Microsoft knows this, which is why they're trying to stop or win back some of the market share by purchasing Bethesda and now Activision.
This and drm.
But you know that.
No. And you know that.
Edit:
OK, thanks for being clear that you are trolling.
PlayStation had Move and TV apps as gimmick.I'm not, Playstation did the same thing with PS Move and TV apps but they still end up selling 100M+.
So how well you think COD is going to sell without Playstation?Exclusives are important.
Just not call of duty which literally outsell any playstation exclusive.
Take a look at the PS3 launch (which is arguably the worst launch in console history) and tell me it wasn't their exclusives that saved them.PlayStation had Move and TV apps as gimmick.
Xbox One was literally build around TV DRM and Kinect.
How can you say XB1 had a good launch, and don't know shit like this.
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That would put disproportionate power to be unreasonable in Sony’s hands. Never going to happen that way IMO.Well yes, if the deal passes, which would likely require concessions at this point, one of those which may be “no GP unless can come to terms with competitor service”
I know it was never exclusive but brand association deffo plays its part. Can’t deny that if you really look at the network effects of cod on a given platform when it’s seen as the main platform for that game, and the version used in their official esports stuff.COD was never an exclusive, so how can you say gamers go where COD goes?
Imo, the XB1 launch was good.
It's just that Playstation had the better exclusives. Xbox fan base like to blame everything but the lack of exclusives.
COD numbers are because it's a mulitplat vs Sony exclusives.
It will never be an issue because MS won’t be taking it off PS. It will serve better as a cash cow than an exclusive. They have all their other games for that.So how well you think COD is going to sell without Playstation?
Take a look at the PS3 launch (which is arguably the worst launch in console history) and tell me it wasn't their exclusives that saved them.
series SX says hello.Take a look at the PS3 launch (which is arguably the worst launch in console history) and tell me it wasn't their exclusives that saved them.
I know a lot of you have a hateboner towards Hoeg (this is why I'm posting this).
or just because he is a lawyer in mergers and acquisitions and he explains all these technical stuff.
Microsoft will drop all the COD games on GP immediately. Another thing i noticed today is that MS has really been kicking up the advertising lately. Must have seen the Diablo commercial 20 times today on TV.Who here honestly believes that when this deal happens, COD won’t launch on game pass Day One?
Microsoft will drop all the COD games on GP immediately. Another thing i noticed today is that MS has really been kicking up the advertising lately. Must have seen the Diablo commercial 20 times today on TV.
Same thing.That's Activision's advertising.
Same thing.
The regulators aren't there to maintain the status quo. They are there to stop a substantial lessening of competition.I’m hypothesizing a scenario where the deal goes through with concessions regardless of what Sony wants
The concessions for PS plus would be such that the current status quo wouldn’t change.
Microsoft will drop all the COD games on GP immediately. Another thing i noticed today is that MS has really been kicking up the advertising lately. Must have seen the Diablo commercial 20 times today on TV.
As long as Call of Duty is available to be put on PS+ at fair market value, then competition isn't damaged.
Basically this. Whatever the outcome might be, the regulators aren't out to just be disruptive for the sake of it, they are there to check whether this deal has anti-competitive effects, how severe they are, and what could be done to mitigate them.The regulators aren't there to maintain the status quo. They are there to stop a substantial lessening of competition.
A third party would decide what fair market is. From the latest Mlex report I'm pretty sure Microsoft said they would pay a third party to overlook that the concessions they make are being followed.The problem is “fair market value” is not easy to assess when Microsoft is willing to heavily subsidize CoD on GP
So the regulators are unlikely to want to even touch that subject, now or in the future. It’s why they saw behavioral remedies as unlikely, and divestiture a necessary move to ease their concerns
I think for the first time that Sony wants to put CoD on PS+, the fair market value would probably favour Sony, giving them a possible discount the first time they do it.It’s very complicated. Microsoft has multiple deal types on GP and there’s no one size fits all model, with a whole lot of uncertainty for both parties involved
If only they would make Megaman Legends 3.I have no idea what will happen.
but I know something...
Capcom will be Metacritic's 2023 publisher of the year.
Yes, it says Play it on XBOX Series x/s pre order and get into the beta 3/17- 3/19... something like that.Does the ad end with any specific console vendor branding?
I remember before RE Village came out, that game was getting a shit ton of Sony branded adverts on prime time TV slots.
They won’t, as they didn’t with Zenimax titlesIf it goes through and Sony doesn't sign the contract then yes, in theory MS could pull it immediately after Sony's contract with Activision is over next year. I highly doubt they would though, too much money to be made.
And Phil’s the first man you kissed, you were so nervous that you nearly missed.Look at this photograph
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Personally, I find that to be the definition of anti-competitive. You can afford timed exclusives far easier and far more cheaply because of a dominant position. So you use that to basically prevent anyone else from competing against you on equal footing, because they would have to pay 10x more for an exclusive, and it would still result in lower sales. Repeat this over and over for years and it cheaply prevents competition. It makes perfect sense that one of the only responses to this is acquisitions, as it's one of the only ways to pay for something at the standard price, as opposed to repeatedly paying 10x more than your competitor for less.
Not to mention MS can absolutely afford it but MS' business model doesn't make it worthwhile for publishers.So because 3rd parties dont want to lose money by giving MS a discount on an exclusive deal that makes Sony anti competitive?
I don't think COD/Starfield/ESVI/FallOut/Gears/Halo/Forza will launch day one on gamepass at its current price
The obligation is money. Sony don't have to sign anything. COD will always be on Playstation.MS then would have no obligation to put CoD on playstation. Deal was offered, from what we have heard multiple times and was refused by Sony.
The developers don’t have to take it. But Sony’s marketing, engineering and pipeline are the best of any publisher in the most markets.Yeah I don't really care either. Regardless of what Sony provides them with, if its of any value there is a transaction there. Cash or resources is irrelevant. What matters is they take that money or something money provides and converts it into an exclusive.
In what world would it pass with behavioural remedies and MS would have no obligation to put CoD on PS?So now EU is likely to approve with behavioural remedies, FTC is still unknown, but they are likely to loose MS appeal in court outside of FTC, this leaves us with CMA. I still think they will approve with behavioural remedies after deals goes through with FTC and EU.
I am wondering what will happen if this deal gets approved and Sony is the only party that haven’t signed the licensing deal. MS then would have no obligation to put CoD on playstation. Deal was offered, from what we have heard multiple times and was refused by Sony.
In what world would it pass with behavioural remedies and MS would have no obligation to put CoD on PS?
What do you think the behavioural remedies pertain to?
The European Commission, which is scheduled to decide on the deal by April 25, is not expected to demand that Microsoft sell assets to win its approval, the people said.
In addition to the licensing deals for rivals, Microsoft may also have to offer other behavioural remedies to allay concerns of other parties than Sony, one of the people said. Such remedies typically refer to the future conduct of the merged company.