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[Pelta88]

On the Bethesda exclusivity...

Anyone claiming that Phil didn't say certain games would be on PS are obfuscating the point. If you're on gaf then you have a basic idea of how development works. Both Platforms would have known the game was in development for their platform months if not years in advance. Phil's public comments are meaningless.

Bethesda would have informed PS in advance due to the legal, logistical, digital, and monetary framework that needs to be in place before any ip even goes gold. Qualifying Bethesda's IP pre purchase to what Phil Spencer said, is disingenuous at best.

 

[Sanepar]

There were a shit load of people which moved from xbox 360 to ps4 instead of xbox one because of tv focus and drm.

They didn't move because of sonys exclusives. If that was the case they wouldn't have had a 360 to begin with.

Again, the majority who plays fifa or cod usually play a little less of everything else, including exclusives.

Also, Gaf isn't the outside picture of reality.
People gave up assymetrical controllers for symmetrical, which shows the majority doesn't give a shit about the controllers, especially gimmick ones.
The average timmt who plays cod is probably not the same niche guy who tosses the console price on a niche Gr peripheral.
VR is still niche and will always be it.

Cods revenue is from the platform that has most users.
A lot of these people will follow where cod is.
Xbox getting cod as exclusive will move a lot of xbox consoles.
Not everyone is a dedicated fanboy.
Some can move, some can have both platforms at the same time.
Crazy, I know.

They might not sell their ps, but they would very likely buy a xbox, s or x doesn't matter, to play cod.

Sony exlusives before ps3 was nothing special imo. Their best exclusives franchises were third party games. From ps1-ps2 feom Sony only god of war and gt for me.

They started to turn things around 2008-2009.

Problem is ps4 gen was the first digital gen. Ps5 delivering better and more exclusives in 2 years than ps4. I don't think hw will change a lot...

 

[quest]

Ok.

Bethesda was multiplatform. Here is a list of IPs that on a `game by game` basis may not make it to the PS5 but were on at least one Playstation platform

1. Deatloop
2. Ghostwire
3. Doom
4. The Elder Scrolls
5. Rage
6. Wolfenstein
7. Fallout
8. The Evil Within
9. Prey
10. Dishonored

That 10 games that were on PS platforms that are just going to most ikey not be on PS platforms anymore. But yeah,Sony should just shut up and et MS get

1. Call of Duty
2. Crash Bandicoot
3. Diablo
4. DJ Hero
5. Guitar Hero
6. Gun
7. Hearthstone
8. Hexen
9. King’s Quest
10. Overwatch
11. Spyro the Dragon
12. Tenchu (legacy games)
13. Tony Hawk’s Pro Skater
14. True Crime

because MS is promising that COD still coming to PS platforms? And that makes sense to you?

I must of missed where Microsoft said publicly they are treating zenimax games like minecraft and offered sony a 10 year deal. We know from deathloop and Ghost wire tokyo Microsoft honors contracts. Also there is zero chance they make COD exclusive and allow another game fill that void on Playstation and become the new top competitive shooter. Every top competitive shooter is on anything that can run it for a reason to not allow another to fill that void and lose customers.

 

[solidus12]

Sony exlusives before ps3 was nothing special imo. Their best exclusives franchises were third party games. From ps1-ps2 feom Sony only god of war and gt for me.

They started to turn things around 2008-2009.

Problem is ps4 gen was the first digital gen. Ps5 delivering better and more exclusives in 2 years than ps4. I don't think hw will change a lot...

Ratchet and Clank games on PS2 were amazing.

Same for Jak and Daxter and Sly cooper.

Gran Turismo 3 is one of the best racing games.

Ico and Shadow of the Colossus.

PS2 exclusives were great, but yeah on PS3 it was something else.

 

[Topher]

On the Bethesda exclusivity...

Anyone claiming that Phil didn't say certain games would be on PS are obfuscating the point. If you're on gaf then you have a basic idea of how development works. Both Platforms would have known the game was in development for their platform months if not years in advance. Phil's public comments are meaningless.

Bethesda would have informed PS in advance due to the legal, logistical, digital, and monetary framework that needs to be in place before any ip even goes gold. Qualifying Bethesda's IP pre purchase to what Phil Spencer said, is disingenuous at best.

No one here knows how game development works. We just make guesses and pretend like we know what we are talking about, but we really don't.

Likewise, we have no idea what internal communications were made. So if we are going to have a discussion on what was said, let's make it about what we know was said and not what we think might have been said, but really have no idea.

 

[Mr.Phoenix]

I must of missed where Microsoft said publicly they are treating zenimax games like minecraft and offered sony a 10 year deal. We know from deathloop and Ghost wire tokyo Microsoft honors contracts. Also there is zero chance they make COD exclusive and allow another game fill that void on Playstation and become the new top competitive shooter. Every top competitive shooter is on anything that can run it for a reason to not allow another to fill that void and lose customers.

Errr... ok. thanks for making my point.

 

[FoxMcChief]

FTC's record isn't good from what I recall. That is largely in part because Lina Khan has said that she is willing to lose cases in order to push the envelope in antitrust law. So winning isn't her primary goal in this. Big reason why I think the acquisition will be approved in the US. CMA is the only potential roadblock.

Have you seen the CMA roadblock? I walked over to the UK from California and took a photo.

 

[sainraja]

Ok.

Bethesda was multiplatform. Here is a list of IPs that on a `game by game` basis may not make it to the PS5 but were on at least one Playstation platform

1. Deatloop
2. Ghostwire
3. Doom
4. The Elder Scrolls
5. Rage
6. Wolfenstein
7. Fallout
8. The Evil Within
9. Prey
10. Dishonored

That 10 games that were on PS platforms that are just going to most ikey not be on PS platforms anymore. But yeah,Sony should just shut up and et MS get

1. Call of Duty
2. Crash Bandicoot
3. Diablo
4. DJ Hero
5. Guitar Hero
6. Gun
7. Hearthstone
8. Hexen
9. King’s Quest
10. Overwatch
11. Spyro the Dragon
12. Tenchu (legacy games)
13. Tony Hawk’s Pro Skater
14. True Crime

because MS is promising that COD still coming to PS platforms? And that makes sense to you?

Yeah, I don't get this type of thinking either. These people just want Microsoft to own everything, lol. I just find them all to be a little obnoxious. You can easily tell what their motive is, even if they try to hide it. They are far too invested in this console war and are blind to what this could mean for the future and they just want something to "rub" it in to those they think are "against" them (because of the "OtherBox"). Gaming really brings out the child in everyone, doesn't it?

Now I am not crazy either. Some of us may not see it yet, but this could end up being a good thing (no, not because of Game Pass), but, again, it could also be not such a good thing. It is hard to tell what kind of influence this will have... we just don't know.

I'm looking forward to the rest of the drama and dirty laundry reveals etc... What I'm NOT looking forward to is the hundreds or more of "Sony should buy so and so company to combat Microsoft" threads we're about to be seeing over the next few years.

We've also had threads about who MS should buy next... how they would just outbid Sony, etc etc. But who cares. People will do what they do.

 

[Pelta88]

No one here knows how game development works. We just make guesses and pretend like we know what we are talking about, but we really don't.

Likewise, we have no idea what internal communications were made. So if we are going to have a discussion on what was said, let's make it about what we know was said and not what we think might have been said, but really have no idea.

Again, what was said has zero bearing on how the industry works. You're trying to qualify exclusivity down to "Phil Spencer said." Despite the fact that the entire industry knows he heavily reliant on PR. Games are in development on a continuous basis 90% of what's scheduled for this generation we know nothing about.

Pretending otherwise to push a narrative is a disservice to yourself. We all know you know better.

2020

 

[phil_t98]

Yeah, I don't get this type of thinking either. These people just want Microsoft to own everything, lol. I just find them all to be a little obnoxious. You can easily tell what their motive is, even if they try to hide it. They are far too invested in this console war and are blind to what this could mean for the future and they just want something to "rub" it in to those they think are "against" them (because of the "OtherBox"). Gaming really brings out the child in everyone, doesn't it?

Now I am not crazy either. Some of us may not see it yet, but this could end up being a good thing (no, not because of Game Pass), but, again, it could also be not such a good thing. It is hard to tell what kind of influence this will have... we just don't know.


We've also had threads about who MS should buy next... how they would just outbid Sony, etc etc. But who cares. People will do what they do.

Go back to early this gen and it was championed about how Sony had approached all companies for exclusives with an open cheque book. Both sets of fans are no different from each other , if Sony were buying activision I would expect Xbox fans to behave as Sony fans are now.

Just how it is

 

[sainraja]

Go back to early this gen and it was championed about how Sony had approached all companies for exclusives with an open cheque book. Both sets of fans are no different from each other , if Sony were buying activision I would expect Xbox fans to behave as Sony fans are now.

Just how it is

We can go back and forth on this all day long, and as you point this out to me, I hope you also realize that MS engages in the same thing? They just "upped" the ante by purchasing two publishers this generation.

My point was that it is stupid and obnoxious no matter who is doing it. In this case, regarding this acquisition, the majority of them are on the green side.

 

[adamsapple]

If you're on gaf then you have a basic idea of how development works

This thread continues to be a veritable goldmine.

 

[ToadMan]

Go back to early this gen and it was championed about how Sony had approached all companies for exclusives with an open cheque book. Both sets of fans are no different from each other , if Sony were buying activision I would expect Xbox fans to behave as Sony fans are now.

Just how it is

Strawman.

Sony wouldn’t buy ABK because they can’t.

And that’s exactly the problem with MS buying ABK - it’s not a fight of equals or equivalents.

Equals would be MS actually producing original game content to tempt customers to their platforms.

Instead they’re trying to buy customer’s favorite games and game makers using money made from outside the gaming market. No company would do that without the expectation they’ll create a coercive monopoly.

That will undermine the market we all take part in.

 

[HerpDerpstreit]

Ratchet and Clank games on PS2 were amazing.

Same for Jak and Daxter and Sly cooper.

Gran Turismo 3 is one of the best racing games.

Ico and Shadow of the Colossus.

PS2 exclusives were great, but yeah on PS3 it was something else.

Killzone 2 was a fantastic game, once GG fixed it. In it's launch state, with their extreme deadzone on aiming to "add that weight" to the guns, turned a LOT of people off of the game. I still look back on the MP very fondly because I had so much fun in the mode that was one long match that rotated between all of the different MP objectives in one game.

 

[MasterCornholio]

#SonyToo

 

[SmurfMustard]

If you're on gaf then you have a basic idea of how development works.

Now my stomach hurts from laughing and I have tears in my eyes. And you even said it with sincerity. Amazing.

 

[FBeeEye]

Obvious troll.

Ever heard of Windows, Office or Azure, you know MS products that actually bring in a profit.

I get some people say a load of shite as they are fanboying/shilling, but this is too much

Windows, Office or Azure aren't consumer products. They're business-centric products. Examples of consumer products are Surface, Phones and peripherals. Out of all of these, Xbox is the most popular and profitable.

 

[HerpDerpstreit]

Ok.

Bethesda was multiplatform. Here is a list of IPs that on a `game by game` basis may not make it to the PS5 but were on at least one Playstation platform

1. Deatloop
2. Ghostwire
3. Doom
4. The Elder Scrolls

These 4 are all currently available on PS5. I've said this before, we only have CONFIRMATION that Starfield is NOT going to be on Playstation. Everything else, TES, Fallout, and the rest of the Zenimax IP's have not been confirmed nor denied to go the exclusive route or not.

With SF being a new IP, it makes sense to try it as exclusive. With Fallout, Elder Scrolls, DOOM, and the rest of the established ones, it makes more sense to keep them multiplatform. Whether MSFT keeps them that way or not who fucking knows.

 

[Topher]

Again, what was said has zero bearing on how the industry works. You're trying to qualify exclusivity down to "Phil Spencer said." Despite the fact that the entire industry knows he heavily reliant on PR. Games are in development on a continuous basis 90% of what's scheduled for this generation we know nothing about.

Pretending otherwise to push a narrative is a disservice to yourself. We all know you know better.

Right......I'm the one pushing narratives.

 

[ToadMan]

These 4 are all currently available on PS5. I've said this before, we only have CONFIRMATION that Starfield is NOT going to be on Playstation. Everything else, TES, Fallout, and the rest of the Zenimax IP's have not been confirmed nor denied to go the exclusive route or not.

With SF being a new IP, it makes sense to try it as exclusive. With Fallout, Elder Scrolls, DOOM, and the rest of the established ones, it makes more sense to keep them multiplatform. Whether MSFT keeps them that way or not who fucking knows.

This is a hackneyed argument.

Prior to acquisition 24/26 zenimax games were multiplat. The 2 being Ghostwire and Deathloop - both now multiplat too.

The fact any zenimax games aren’t multiplat is eye raising. That they’re seemingly forever exclusive is an outrage and detrimental to every gamer if for no other reason than MS didn’t invest in new gaming content, IPs or innovation.

 

[Pelta88]

Right......I'm the one pushing narratives.

When I realize that someone is wilfully playing dumb I tend to gravitate away from the conversation. Everyone and their grandmother knows games are in development before they're revealed to the masses. You can continue to qualify Bethesda's games, pre-purchase, down to what Phil says.

Deathloop and Ghostwire highlight the established process.

 

[Mr.Phoenix]

These 4 are all currently available on PS5. I've said this before, we only have CONFIRMATION that Starfield is NOT going to be on Playstation. Everything else, TES, Fallout, and the rest of the Zenimax IP's have not been confirmed nor denied to go the exclusive route or not.

With SF being a new IP, it makes sense to try it as exclusive. With Fallout, Elder Scrolls, DOOM, and the rest of the established ones, it makes more sense to keep them multiplatform. Whether MSFT keeps them that way or not who fucking knows.

And the point most of us are making, is that the worst thing that could happen to gaming as a whole is when ONE platform holder has that much control over that many IPs. And you would be remiss to think that if this deal goes through, it ends there and MS would not just go onto acquire EA, Ubisoft...etc. Then we add their own IPs to the growing list of what we hope MS will allow be on whatever platform they want.

Why would anyone want that?

I would understand if these publishers are struggling and going under, or if it were the odd studio here and there. But these are publishers whose games were coming on at least 3 of the four existing platforms. Hell, we can even throw stadia into that mix.

Those of us against this deal, have no qualms with the games being on Xbox. Just as they are on PS or PC. We don't even have a problem with any individual game being on gamepass. If MS bids for them, secure the right to have them on GP along with every other platform? That's all well and good. What we have a problem with is the ever-growing volume of IPs MS is trying to outright own.And then at that point its a crapshoot what they will or won't do. And we all know what they are most likey to do... MS have themselves said that three of the next Bethesda games are going exclusive to xbox and PC... which three games do you think that is?

What is really disturbing, is that those that are for this deal, basically are ok with the idea that those games... All those games, could very well just be exclusive to xbox. Games that you ready have access to, that everyone has access to. This is the dark side of GP... the narrative is shifting from we get Xbox FP games day 1 and we get at est this two or three great games each year...to ets get everything as day 1 and the more IPs MS owns the better for us. That may be good for GP, and those of us that have a GPsub, but how is that good for the industry in general if we aow MSbe the gatekeeper?

Its like people's eyes are wide shut.

 

[reksveks]

Trying to figure out the latest is re: subpoena's in the FTC case

MS to Google: 3rd March
FTC to Valve: 6th March
FTC to Take-2: 3rd March
FTC to Sony: 1st March
ABK to Nintendo : ???
MS to Sony: ???

 

[Warablo]

Exclusives for me, but not for thee.

Tell me why CoD shouldn't be exclusive eventually once Xbox or any other company owns them?

 

[adamsapple]

Trying to figure out the latest is re: subpoena's in the FTC case

MS to Google: 3rd March
FTC to Valve: 6th March
FTC to Take-2: 3rd March
FTC to Sony: 1st March

Lotta subpoena's going around.

 

[Topher]

When I realize that someone is wilfully playing dumb I tend to gravitate away from the conversation.

I do the same when I realize someone is talking out of their ass. So why don't we just "gravitate" away from each other here?

 

[drganon]

Windows, Office or Azure aren't consumer products. They're business-centric products. Examples of consumer products are Surface, Phones and peripherals. Out of all of these, Xbox is the most popular and profitable.

 

[RedC]

This is a hackneyed argument.

Prior to acquisition 24/26 zenimax games were multiplat. The 2 being Ghostwire and Deathloop - both now multiplat too.

The fact any zenimax games aren’t multiplat is eye raising. That they’re seemingly forever exclusive is an outrage and detrimental to every gamer if for no other reason than MS didn’t invest in new gaming content, IPs or innovation.

Entitlement: Case in point ^^^

No future games are obligated to release on your preferred platform of choice.

To think otherwise is entitlement.

 

[splattered]

Strawman.

Sony wouldn’t buy ABK because they can’t.

And that’s exactly the problem with MS buying ABK - it’s not a fight of equals or equivalents.

Equals would be MS actually producing original game content to tempt customers to their platforms.

Instead they’re trying to buy customer’s favorite games and game makers using money made from outside the gaming market. No company would do that without the expectation they’ll create a coercive monopoly.

That will undermine the market we all take part in.

Ok cool... then Sony needs to stop making deals with Japanese developers. Because they are a Japanese company and Microsoft are not. It just isn't fair!

 

[reksveks]

Lotta subpoena's going around.

There is two more that I didn't add which i should
MS to Sony
ABK to Nintendo

 

[X-Wing]

Strawman.

Sony wouldn’t buy ABK because they can’t.

And that’s exactly the problem with MS buying ABK - it’s not a fight of equals or equivalents.

Equals would be MS actually producing original game content to tempt customers to their platforms.

Instead they’re trying to buy customer’s favorite games and game makers using money made from outside the gaming market. No company would do that without the expectation they’ll create a coercive monopoly.

That will undermine the market we all take part in.

You are being too intelligent, rational and unbiased for this forum. I disregard your opinion.

 

[demigod]

No one here knows how game development works. We just make guesses and pretend like we know what we are talking about, but we really don't.

Likewise, we have no idea what internal communications were made. So if we are going to have a discussion on what was said, let's make it about what we know was said and not what we think might have been said, but really have no idea.

Platform holders know in advance when games are being made. You don’t really think publishers just goes to the platform holder on the final day and asks them to print the discs do you?

 

[HerpDerpstreit]

And the point most of us are making, is that the worst thing that could happen to gaming as a whole is when ONE platform holder has that much control over that many IPs. And you would be remiss to think that if this deal goes through, it ends there and MS would not just go onto acquire EA, Ubisoft...etc. Then we add their own IPs to the growing list of what we hope MS will allow be on whatever platform they want.

Why would anyone want that?

I would understand if these publishers are struggling and going under, or if it were the odd studio here and there. But these are publishers whose games were coming on at least 3 of the four existing platforms. Hell, we can even throw stadia into that mix.

Those of us against this deal, have no qualms with the games being on Xbox. Just as they are on PS or PC. We don't even have a problem with any individual game being on gamepass. If MS bids for them, secure the right to have them on GP along with every other platform? That's all well and good. What we have a problem with is the ever-growing volume of IPs MS is trying to outright own.And then at that point its a crapshoot what they will or won't do. And we all know what they are most likey to do... MS have themselves said that three of the next Bethesda games are going exclusive to xbox and PC... which three games do you think that is?

What is really disturbing, is that those that are for this deal, basically are ok with the idea that those games... All those games, could very well just be exclusive to xbox. Games that you ready have access to, that everyone has access to. This is the dark side of GP... the narrative is shifting from we get Xbox FP games day 1 and we get at est this two or three great games each year...to ets get everything as day 1 and the more IPs MS owns the better for us. That may be good for GP, and those of us that have a GPsub, but how is that good for the industry in general if we aow MSbe the gatekeeper?

Its like people's eyes are wide shut.

I get what you are saying being a owner of all the consoles and an adequate PC for the last 23 years it can be hard for me to maintain perspective on those that have to choose which platform to be on when the latest and greatest drops.

That being said, prior to cross-play and save, which platform one purchased was largely dictated by what ecosystem the majority of your friends were on that had the games that group enjoyed playing. Even further back than that, all of the companies that had their 1st party IP's is what swayed a gamer toward one platform vs another. I missed out on Streets of Rage, Sonic, and the violent version of Mortal Kombat because I had the SNES.

Gaming has been and will continue to be a big part of my life and as such I make the effort to cover all my bases. (when it makes sense to, i.e. - enough exclusives to justify the purchase) Right now, there is not enough available JUST on the PS5 for me to get one. The Sony games that were must plays for me all are available on the PS4. I personally don't give a shit about Call of Duty and have not for going on 15 years. Same goes for something like Madden or FIFA. With that, I acknowledge that those 3 titles sell consistently well every year because it is fair to assume that is one of the only games those player bases buy all year. And they play it the whole year until the next version is dropped.

I understand the concerns of what MSFT COULD or MIGHT do. There is plenty of evidence that they may make COD exclusive and there are plenty of examples with big and small releases that they are just trying to get certain games to as many players as possible.

In a vacuum, what makes the most business sense if the deal is approved, is to maintain course with COD and leave it multi-platform for as long as it is doing the numbers it has. Bring back some IP's that have been underutilized in the shadow of COD and if the interest is there, make as many of those multi-platform as possible. However, if you feel like you have something truly special, then as the owner whether through acquisitions like Starfield or enabling your existing creative teams to come up with something like Hi-Fi Rush. I take no issue with any of this and that's how it SHOULD work if your business interest truly lie in improving gaming as a whole.

 

[adamsapple]

There is two more that I didn't add which i should
MS to Sony
ABK to Nintendo

What's the FTC subpoena to Take 2 in relation to ? is it related to the MS Acti deal or something else ?

 

[IFireflyl]

Again, what was said has zero bearing on how the industry works. You're trying to qualify exclusivity down to "Phil Spencer said." Despite the fact that the entire industry knows he heavily reliant on PR. Games are in development on a continuous basis 90% of what's scheduled for this generation we know nothing about.

Pretending otherwise to push a narrative is a disservice to yourself. We all know you know better.

2020

Topher has been one of the most level-headed people in this thread. Have you actually looked at his post history? He has, for the most part, called out both sides for their idiocy. Remove your warrior armor, man.

 

[reksveks]

What's the FTC subpoena to Take 2 in relation to ? is it related to the MS Acti deal or something else ?

Yeah, it's a part of this case. Probably won't know what they are looking for.

 

[Topher]

Platform holders know in advance when games are being made. You don’t really think publishers just goes to the platform holder on the final day and asks them to print the discs do you?

I'm not saying that at all. Look....if you and others want to speculate on all that then fine, have at it. We have a guy calling out anyone who would rather go by actual facts rather than speculation. That's what I took issue with.

 

[Pelta88]

Topher has been one of the most level-headed people in this thread. Have you actually looked at his post history? He has, for the most part, called out both sides for their idiocy. Remove your warrior armor, man.

I'm not really into debating basic facts. Games Products go through dev before they get announced or released to the public. Except on gaming forums, where people elevate and take their favourite CEO's words as gospel.

 

[Moridianae]

The real worry I have, if this is to go through, is it'll create a perception that Microsoft can do whatever they want with the money they have, and the reality is it won't stop with ABK.

It'll create an image that the checks and balances are just there for show and nothing else.

It may even start Sony into going for, say, Square or whomever, creating a bidding war wherein nobody wins for gaming.

 

[IFireflyl]

I'm not really into debating basic facts. Games Products go through dev before they get announced or released to the public. Except on gaming forums, where people elevate and take their favourite CEO's words as gospel.

Show me on a doll where Phil Spencer touched you.

 

[RedC]

Games get announced and never get released all the time but it seems some people believe if a game was in development on a preferred platform of choice and then becomes exclusive on another platform for whatever reason it's betrayal of the highest order. LOL

 

[DeepEnigma]

Strawman.

Sony wouldn’t buy ABK because they can’t.

And that’s exactly the problem with MS buying ABK - it’s not a fight of equals or equivalents.

Equals would be MS actually producing original game content to tempt customers to their platforms.

Instead they’re trying to buy customer’s favorite games and game makers using money made from outside the gaming market. No company would do that without the expectation they’ll create a coercive monopoly.

That will undermine the market we all take part in.

 

[aries_71]

Great summation of why the deal is being blocked.

Believe! So say we all!

 

[Punished Miku]

Right......I'm the one pushing narratives.

#blocked

 

[splattered]

Nah... both companies take advantage of their strengths. You could simply say "Man what is wrong with Sony? All they have to do is figure out how to generate more revenue as a company and push more funding towards the gaming division to match Microsoft!" It isn't that Sony "can't" it's that they "don't" Sony have their own strengths and advantages in the gaming industry that Microsoft can't really compete with. I'm not going to stomp around and say it isn't fair.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Nah... both companies take advantage of their strengths. You could simply say "Man what is wrong with Sony? All they have to do is figure out how to generate more revenue as a company and push more funding towards the gaming division to match Microsoft!" It isn't that Sony "can't" it's that they "don't" Sony have their own strengths and advantages in the gaming industry that Microsoft can't really compete with. I'm not going to stomp around and say it isn't fair.

Ok.

 

[Captain Toad]

If the acquisition eventually gets approved and Sony didn’t take Microsoft up on the COD 10 year deal, does that mean MS could keep it off PlayStation immediately? Almost like “tough luck, you didn’t accept our deal and now you get nothing”

They won't.

 

[Pelta88]

Show me on a doll where Phil Spencer touched you.

Phil Spencer's lies are really well documented. Demonstrated numerous times on every gaming board and throughout the wider hobby.

 

[splattered]

They won't.

I agree, Sony are going to get COD even if they don't sign and agreement and this does end up going through.

 

[Captain Toad]

Sony exlusives before ps3 was nothing special imo.

I assume you mean from their first-party studios. Because you'd be hard press to find consoles with more major exclusives than PS1 and PS2.