Kerotan
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Microsoft gaming chief calls for industry-wide game preservation
- Thread starter Craig of War
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OmegaSupreme
advanced basic bitch
Didn't they just delist forza 7? Why can't they renew licenses for old games? They have infinite money after all.
Andodalf
Banned
That’s just not how their BC works. Not even the og emulation on the 360. They’ve always had games get repackaged in new formats for the emulator. When you put a disk in rn all it does is check to make sure it’s that game, and then download the new game package from their servers. They can’t make those new packages and let you download them without new licensing agreements.
TwiztidElf
Member
Can we start with Outrun Online Arcade please Phil?
Or Project Gotham Racing 2? (greatest racing game ever made).
Or Project Gotham Racing 2? (greatest racing game ever made).
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urmie
Member
Ah ok, thanks for that. I've been seeking answers on this. That makes more sense, kinda really wish for an "all-in-one" from any company.
DrAspirino
Banned
Licenses. There's only so much they can do with licenses owners. Some games were published by companies that even today they no longer exist, so it would be legally impossible to emulate them.
There's also the music and cars licensing, where some games use music or car models that are no longer licensed to the game publisher/developer and that also comprises a whole lot of legal mazes and paperwork that, in the end, it depends 100% on the owners of those assets (you know....record labels, car brands, etc).
Emulation is the "easy" part. Licensing is a bitch. =/
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urmie
Member
You can still buy the physical versions and they work without issue. Forza games delist after 5 years normally and they give plenty of notice ahead of time including a final discount.
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DrAspirino
Banned
They can and have. That's what virtual machines are for. You can use Windows XP with Word 2007 on new computers via virtual machines, since Word 2007 uses some REALLY old APIs that are no longer supported on new OSs.
Umbasaborne
Banned
I really wish jim would do something about ps3 preservation other than shitty streaming. Its a damn shame that we cant play ps one games on ps4 or ps5 like we could on ps3. And the list of availible ps2 games is pultry at best. Sony can do so much better with this stuff, its a shame they cant be fucking assed to
M1chl
Currently Gif and Meme Champion
You can run 2007 on W10, my father sure does that. Hell fucking ancient MS Works....*cough* works. The compatibility tab is amazing thing in Windows.
01011001
Banned
because the FPGA consoles use already released and sold cartridges. The consoles also don't come with any games, it's just a piece of hardware
backwards compatibility on Xbox requires the games to be modified and repackaged, making them legally NEW releases that need to renew their licenses if needed and need to have the actually owner of the IP/Game to be on board
THEY COULD make all Xbox games compatible if they somehow made an emulator that can play every game directly from the disc with no modding of the games needed.
that would be 100% impossible on Xbox One/One X, it is doable on Series X|S but it would be a lot of addition work
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Hendrick's
If only my penis was as big as my GamerScore!
They aren’t all worth saving. There are still a few notable exclusions though. I wonder if we might not see a few more trickle out alongside their remakes or sequels. At least for the Xbox published games that are not tied to car or sport licenses.
kingfey
Banned
They think its easy to port the game to the new console.
The moment MS does that, they will get sued by the owners of the game.
Here is what stopping MS.
Intellectual property protection of video games - Wikipedia
Dr.Morris79
Gold Member
........Put retroarch back on the app store then MS.
Tomorrow will do.
Tomorrow will do.
Andodalf
Banned
Brute forcing emulation would be an alternative that could play any game, but is really heavy on the CPU. 360 and PS3 emulation is still imperfect with really great pc dedicated CPUs, let alone console APUs.
Little Chicken
Banned
Preservation should be a priority for all of them.
The other day I was just thinking about the hoops I'd have to jump through just to play Skies of Arcadia. Shouldn't have to be that difficult to access software in 2021.
The other day I was just thinking about the hoops I'd have to jump through just to play Skies of Arcadia. Shouldn't have to be that difficult to access software in 2021.
Strider Highwind
Banned
Skies or Arcadia.....damn you took me back to some good memories, about to go watch some vids on youtube and trip through memory lane lol
DeepEnigma
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Doczu
Member
CXBX-R is the one i checked and used, but it's still not good. Aroubd 10% games are playable, most with some (minor) glitches.
It's better than ever, but still...
MrFunSocks
Banned
Sigh, another one. Maybe read what they said about their xbox/360 BC before spouting crap.
RafterXL
Member
Damn, this is a horrible attempt at a "gotcha". Literally the single best console BC on the planet, by a large margin, and you wanna pull this shit over licensing issues? You just made his entire point, btw, that it needs to be an industry wide thing, which would make significantly easier for them to add the remaining games they are missing or, at the very least, keep these issues from happening in the future.
Or you know, you could just read the article instead of trying to be the first shitpost in a thread.
Your point is terrible. First off BC doesn't change the game software, it emulates it. The games that aren't on the platform are missing due to licensing issues, not because they need publisher permission due to changing code. Even boosted games, games that get resolution increases, and HDR aren't touched from their original state. Publisher's rights are exactly the same on XSX and PS5.
Second your PS4 example is strange because XBO games ALL (sans Kinect) work and all take advantage of new hardware, which means there are no negatives compared to Sony's approach. We all know which approach is better, let's not pretend otherwise.
Bonus round, did you know that you can play MORE Playststion games on the Xbox Series of consoles than you can on the PS4 or PS5? Double bonus, you can also play more Nintendo games on the XSS/X than on the Switch.
GymWolf
Member
Do you still have the OG Ratbox to play those?!
bender
What time is it?
Sealed copies of both but not the system.
GHG
Member
Based on some recent discussions here in not sure people want to play old games anyway.
Not sure what people will do without battlepasses, xp bars filling up, cosmetics to unlock and buy. There aren't even any trophies and achievements, how will you feel the awesome without the popups telling you that you are?
Play old games? It would all be for nothing.
Not sure what people will do without battlepasses, xp bars filling up, cosmetics to unlock and buy. There aren't even any trophies and achievements, how will you feel the awesome without the popups telling you that you are?
Play old games? It would all be for nothing.
GymWolf
Member
Classic rat behaviour, abandoning the console while its sinking.
bender
What time is it?
I bought it for Munch at launch and that game gave me a sadness that I could never get over.
zaanan
Banned
Right? Like MS doesn’t have an army of lawyers and more money than God, either of which would be more than enough to make it happen. But no - “golly gee, those darn licensing issues are just too hard to solve!”
Kenpachii
Member
Easily solvable with emulators. they could provide a open source emulator all those problems are fixed tommorow.
Until then preservation arguments are just a meme.
Dr.Morris79
Gold Member
This. THIS!!
Impotaku
Member
The biggest problem now is online games, once they close the servers devs are like oops sorry thanks for playing enjoy your new drinks coaster. When online games cease they should do what chunsoft did all the way back on the gamecube.
A little known online rpg on gamecube called homeland used to have online servers that allowed you to do the online story part of the game but eventually they had to close them down but in the final few days of the service a dev from chunsoft came online & started playing in loads of user games telling all the players they met a secret keyword when typed into the game unlocked direct lan to lan connection mode so when the servers went down players could still play online & lose none of the features of the game. Modern consoles should allow something similar, when they announce they are stopping online support make & release a patch for thr game to work in lan mode with content been transferred from server side to console for games that use that method. Far too many games already on multiple systems have esentially been lost because they need online servers to start up.
A little known online rpg on gamecube called homeland used to have online servers that allowed you to do the online story part of the game but eventually they had to close them down but in the final few days of the service a dev from chunsoft came online & started playing in loads of user games telling all the players they met a secret keyword when typed into the game unlocked direct lan to lan connection mode so when the servers went down players could still play online & lose none of the features of the game. Modern consoles should allow something similar, when they announce they are stopping online support make & release a patch for thr game to work in lan mode with content been transferred from server side to console for games that use that method. Far too many games already on multiple systems have esentially been lost because they need online servers to start up.
GymWolf
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xiseerht
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If you are a gamer , how in the world would you think this is a bad thing ? So many classic games that I would love to play in 2021 that I can't unless I go and find a ROM somewhere. But of course , you aren't allowed to ask anyone for a great rom site because that is illegal . That is what Phil is talking about it. And the legal side of things are screwing things up for all of us. Remember, just a few weeks ago , Metal Gear Solid HD collection had to be removed from the digital stores so that they can clear up some old license things.
Umbasaborne
Banned
Any idea why fear 1 cant be made availible digitally? Im dying to Play it again, but not bad enough to spend 30-60 bucks on an ebay copy
DeltaPolarBear
Member
You CAN, my point is that Microsoft had ceased support. And official support is the entire argument in this thread.
Because if you are talking about third party emulators, then there is no point having this thread at all.
GriffinCorp
Member
Okay why can't Microsoft just have a multi laser disc reader, so the console could read discs from the OG/360/One? I know PS3 basically had a PS2 inside, why can't they just do this again? I know costs but honestly it can't add that much on. If this was done, could they stop worrying about licensing? Digital would have licensing issues.
DrAspirino
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L I C E N S E S
PS4 games running on PS5 are a thing because Sony literally made a "mock PS4" with their BC mode. Xbox One games on Xbox Series are a thing because of the very design of Xbox One games: they're literally contained within virtual machines. That's why they can be released untouched on any future Xbox console and be played by just downloading a VM profile.
Both console licenses were for games under a VERY specific platform and under VERY specific conditions. That's why emulation is still illegal in most platforms.
Nope.
The entire argument in this thread is game preservation and all the legal bullshit that's impeding it. Support for older games and software ended years ago and we all acknowledge that. We're talking about LEGALLY having the ability to run software on a platform that they weren't designed for, not if they're supported or not.
Are you THAT dense?
And yes, as Phil said, we need this to be an industry-wide thing for it to work, otherwise it would be relegated to PC (since it's an "open" platform) with VERY dubious legal status.
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