Microsoft published 6 big games this year. None were nominated for GOTY.

CashPrizes said:
Indiana Jones came out in December of 2024 people, so according to their backwards rules it can not be nominated.

The Keighley Game Awards have a horrible precedent where they have the cutoff for nominees be like whatever Call of Duty's release is in early November, and any game in late November or December is ineligible for that years awards and the next years as well.
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And that is all that matters.

Indiana Jones is a better game than the last Ratchet and Clank, no doubt imo. The last ratchet was far from the best ratchet game. It doesnt touch the PS3 ones. If it missed last year and is not eligible for this year then that is a fault of the awards show not MS and Machine Games. If anyone takes these awards seriously they are delusional.
 
SlimySnake said:
Look at the Metacritics of all those titles. Aside from cod which is trash, the lowest is South of Midnight at 77. The same reviewers (at least the cream of the crop) make up Geoff's awards.

I personally think they are all mid tier garbage. I was just pointing out that despite the reception, they arent making the GOTY nominations.


Yes. Most of them. Outer worlds i might try next month, but I refuse to play COD though. I dont think any are deserving. I dont think people really understood my OP. I am not making the case that these games shouldve nominated. I am simply pointing out that the games MS did publish are not good enough to be nominated and there is not much else on the horizon that might change this.
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Metacritic lost its credibility time over time already, those sellout professional journos gave concord 62(for contrast user reivews 1,7), redfall sitting at 56(aka still above avg) while it got 3,6 from users, and those are 2 very obvious examples of inflated scores 99% of gafers will agree on.

With any game that is woke/for modern audience(aka 0 pandering to straight males, often pandering against us) they got crazy brownie points, aka underserved score bump and by a lot, easily in 20s and sometimes even 30+ points freebie.

Out of all those 6 games published by microsoft u can see only indy and doom got similar user score to its review score , which suggest majority of players feels similar to reviewers that those are solid games(not top of the top but worth buying/playing/praising).

Quick comparision:
Indy 86 meta, 82 user(sales bomba coz younger players got offput but recent woke indy movie and dont remember old fantastic ones like us- old farts, being fpp didnt do it any favours either- 3rd person view like in uncharted series would increase sales by a lot, maybe even doubled).

Soul of Midnight 77meta 6,7 user(and crazy bomba sales wise).

Avowed 80 meta 6,8 user(big bomba sales wise too).

OW2 83 meta 6,8 user (and for comparision first game got 85 meta 7,8 user so players actually liked first one more, and again- terrible sales, i think we all notice pattern already).

Doom:DA 83meta and 8,0 userscore(solid game again, just like indy, would have 0 complains if it was goty nominee in slower year, like in 2014 when DA:I won even, game's bad sales are result of Eternal going crazy acrobatics gameplay and forcing u to switch weapons coz of nasty lack of ammo constantly vs based Doom 2016 so basically u alienate doom 2016 audience with eternal, then alienate eternal audience with dark ages).

Cod BO7 82 meta from 22reviewers and only 1,7 from users- u can tell basically all of those 19 who gave scores above 75(aka green/positive) were sellout low-life 0 morals scums, other 3 gave it still relatively high score of 70, hence score so high compared to extremly dissapointed players- there is mountain of memes/yt shorts about how bad newest cod, especially SP is(sales numbers reflect it, its -61% in uk phys sales vs last years cod, below BF6 numbers too obviously).


TLDR: Out of those 6 games only 2 were solid-liked by players and even those 2 had relatively low sales(always gotta judge those vs game's budget).

Hell if u add Oblivion remaster on top which is now under MS wings- 80meta 75user so solid enough, it had great sales too but 7,5 user score and its obvious flaws of not fixing performance bugs after so many months after launch cant make it goty contender either(and i say it as bethesda/western rpg lover here, got well over 500h in og unmodded skyrim this year here and i obviously enjoyed it lots).
 
Of course this thread leaned into Horizon slander, franchise that probably sold more copies alone than all Microsoft's output this gen outside of Call o Duty.

Every time you look at that list just remember how many chances MS missed by simply rejecting the deals (like Marvel) or constantly betting on the wrong horse (Starfield, Activision) with dubious amounts of money. First and second most nominated games this year are both made on very moderate budgets and DS2 while being artsy-fartsy was a smart bet for the award season on SIEs side, thanks to terrific cast, pristine technical state and big names attached to it.

What MS can offer to counter those games? Barely coherent UE5 asset demo from Double Fine? Two undercooked RPGs from obsidian? Weakest Doom from the rebooted trilogy? A very basic game about the American folklore that was made by Canadians and delivered in a way that barely resonated with worldwide audiences? Clearly divisive Indian Jones FPS Immersive some from 1 year ago? (Though i liked that one)

Like it was said before, skill issue.
 
DenchDeckard said:
Ahhhh awards season. Where people let other people's opinions tell them what's good. Lead by a guy so far in Sonys pocket that he can manage to add any Sony game to the list, and even he couldn't get ghost of yotei in the runnings for this year, lol.

Plus someone who literally is in Kojimas games and friends with him. Yet people think these lists are legit.
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Seems like the Xbox defense force is out in full force.

Still remember the melt downs, especially yours, last year when astrobot won.

Looking forward to more this year as well.
 
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Hookshot said:
Sony announces it's pandering to Japan again and suddenly western games like MS make are snubbed.

Coincidence?
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When PS4 released it only had indie games. Indie Games were the shit back then fuck triple a games, Indies are where the futire is at.

Then the PS4 exclusives began to roll then suddenly indie games were shit lol
 
The Category for big publishers is innovation in accessibility. Two Microsoft nominations and even assassins creed
 
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In my Opinion The Game Award's are about Money and political Agendas (Ideologies) instead of Video Games.

The Game Award's are existing to make Geoff Keighley just Richer.

Nintendo understood that thankfully and stopped supporting The Game Award's!!!
 
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South of Midnight is surprisingly an excellent game for me
I expect most of those who said is trash haven't tried the game
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Dont blame us, bro, game was crazy sales bomba and for most straight males even seeing that protag is enough to never look at that game ever again =D
Again- does any straight male wanna play as 3 or if we are being generous 4/10 female protag with bossbitch attitude?
Anytime she makes a comment we all like:

Its marketting 101- u pander to straight males- make ur protag manly masculine male or at least hot femine woman(cyborg worsk too obviously ;p)- then and usually only then u get sales :P
GOW3 remaster had 0 problem selling great but it had everything what us - straight males love- masculine protag, crazy amount of brutality/gore and sprinkled on top with sexy scenes, timestamped:
 
DenchDeckard said:
Nothing I said is incorrect though. love
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Nothing you said is incorrect? Do give proof about Sony "funding and having a back door entry" to the tga, since you are so confident. Or are you just spouting fanboy console warrior drivel. Surely you have an article of Sony arranging the awards for themselves.
 
These discussions always remind me of the endless debate when the Baseball Writers Association of America announce their Hall of Fame inductees.

Using that analogy, Indiana Jones and Doom TDA aren't Hall of Fame worthy. They're solid "Hall of Very Good" members. But credit where it's due, Indiana Jones got my vote for Best Action/Adventure, Doom got my vote for Best Action, South of Midnight got my vote for Impact. And I picked Troy Baker over the other options for voice actors because he did a near flawless Harrison Ford as Indiana.

But they're just not GOTY level material.

Late Edit: I just realized Borderlands 4 didn't get nominated for anything. Not a single nomination in any category. :LOL: I guess Take Two doesn't care since they'll probably end up with an obscene amount of nominations for GTA6 next year.
 
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DenchDeckard said:
Ahhhh awards season. Where people let other people's opinions tell them what's good. Lead by a guy so far in Sonys pocket that he can manage to add any Sony game to the list, and even he couldn't get ghost of yotei in the runnings for this year, lol.

Plus someone who literally is in Kojimas games and friends with him. Yet people think these lists are legit.
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DenchDeckard said:
It's the Geoff, Herman and Sony triple threat.

Genius.
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I put Geoff Keighley loves Sony into google

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the claim that Geoff Keighley "loves" Sony is a perception held by some, his relationship with the company is complex and appears to be a mix of genuine fandom and professional collaboration. He is known for his long-standing association with PlayStation, a history of positive commentary on its exclusive titles, and professional work with them. This has led to accusations of bias, with some viewers questioning his neutrality, particularly during events where he covers multiple companies.
  • Professional and historical relationship: Keighley has a long history with PlayStation, which includes, among other things, his work on events, interviews, and his personal relationship with key figures like Hideo Kojima.
  • Accusations of bias: Due to this long-standing relationship and his focus on PlayStation's exclusive titles, he is often accused of showing a strong bias towards the brand.
  • Perceived favoritism: Some critics point to specific instances, such as his extensive promotion of the PlayStation 5 Pro or his comparatively muted response to layoffs at PlayStation versus Xbox, as evidence of this favoritism.
  • A complex figure: Keighley is seen by many as an ambassador for the gaming industry, and his work with multiple companies, including Sony, is a key part of that role. However, the perception of bias has led to ongoing debate about his neutrality
 
DenchDeckard said:
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I put Geoff Keighley loves Sony into google

AI Overview



While
the claim that Geoff Keighley "loves" Sony is a perception held by some, his relationship with the company is complex and appears to be a mix of genuine fandom and professional collaboration. He is known for his long-standing association with PlayStation, a history of positive commentary on its exclusive titles, and professional work with them. This has led to accusations of bias, with some viewers questioning his neutrality, particularly during events where he covers multiple companies.
  • Professional and historical relationship: Keighley has a long history with PlayStation, which includes, among other things, his work on events, interviews, and his personal relationship with key figures like Hideo Kojima.
  • Accusations of bias: Due to this long-standing relationship and his focus on PlayStation's exclusive titles, he is often accused of showing a strong bias towards the brand.
  • Perceived favoritism: Some critics point to specific instances, such as his extensive promotion of the PlayStation 5 Pro or his comparatively muted response to layoffs at PlayStation versus Xbox, as evidence of this favoritism.
  • A complex figure: Keighley is seen by many as an ambassador for the gaming industry, and his work with multiple companies, including Sony, is a key part of that role. However, the perception of bias has led to ongoing debate about his neutrality
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DenchDeckard said:
Ahhhh awards season. Where people let other people's opinions tell them what's good. Lead by a guy so far in Sonys pocket that he can manage to add any Sony game to the list, and even he couldn't get ghost of yotei in the runnings for this year, lol.

Plus someone who literally is in Kojimas games and friends with him. Yet people think these lists are legit.
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Decent scores are all that matter, awards have always been overrated. Don't care if games I like win goty no matter what system they are on. That's just me though.
 
CashPrizes said:
Indiana Jones came out in December of 2024 people, so according to their backwards rules it can not be nominated.

The Keighley Game Awards have a horrible precedent where they have the cutoff for nominees be like whatever Call of Duty's release is in early November, and any game in late November or December is ineligible for that years awards and the next years as well.
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Metroid Prime 4: Beyond got Robbed ;)
 
PeteBull said:
Metacritic lost its credibility time over time already, those sellout professional journos gave concord 62(for contrast user reivews 1,7), redfall sitting at 56(aka still above avg) while it got 3,6 from users, and those are 2 very obvious examples of inflated scores 99% of gafers will agree on.

With any game that is woke/for modern audience(aka 0 pandering to straight males, often pandering against us) they got crazy brownie points, aka underserved score bump and by a lot, easily in 20s and sometimes even 30+ points freebie.

Out of all those 6 games published by microsoft u can see only indy and doom got similar user score to its review score , which suggest majority of players feels similar to reviewers that those are solid games(not top of the top but worth buying/playing/praising).

Quick comparision:
Indy 86 meta, 82 user(sales bomba coz younger players got offput but recent woke indy movie and dont remember old fantastic ones like us- old farts, being fpp didnt do it any favours either- 3rd person view like in uncharted series would increase sales by a lot, maybe even doubled).

Soul of Midnight 77meta 6,7 user(and crazy bomba sales wise).

Avowed 80 meta 6,8 user(big bomba sales wise too).

OW2 83 meta 6,8 user (and for comparision first game got 85 meta 7,8 user so players actually liked first one more, and again- terrible sales, i think we all notice pattern already).

Doom:DA 83meta and 8,0 userscore(solid game again, just like indy, would have 0 complains if it was goty nominee in slower year, like in 2014 when DA:I won even, game's bad sales are result of Eternal going crazy acrobatics gameplay and forcing u to switch weapons coz of nasty lack of ammo constantly vs based Doom 2016 so basically u alienate doom 2016 audience with eternal, then alienate eternal audience with dark ages).

Cod BO7 82 meta from 22reviewers and only 1,7 from users- u can tell basically all of those 19 who gave scores above 75(aka green/positive) were sellout low-life 0 morals scums, other 3 gave it still relatively high score of 70, hence score so high compared to extremly dissapointed players- there is mountain of memes/yt shorts about how bad newest cod, especially SP is(sales numbers reflect it, its -61% in uk phys sales vs last years cod, below BF6 numbers too obviously).


TLDR: Out of those 6 games only 2 were solid-liked by players and even those 2 had relatively low sales(always gotta judge those vs game's budget).

Hell if u add Oblivion remaster on top which is now under MS wings- 80meta 75user so solid enough, it had great sales too but 7,5 user score and its obvious flaws of not fixing performance bugs after so many months after launch cant make it goty contender either(and i say it as bethesda/western rpg lover here, got well over 500h in og unmodded skyrim this year here and i obviously enjoyed it lots).
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I dont disagree. I think metacritic and critics in general overrate the fuck out of modern games. I would personally rate all these games at least 20 points below the metacritic average.

However, as far as consensus is concerned, i can only look at the data i have on hand, and critics do like these games. The same critics vote on the Geoff awards, so i stand by my statement that the games were well received.
 
SlimySnake said:
I dont disagree. I think metacritic and critics in general overrate the fuck out of modern games. I would personally rate all these games at least 20 points below the metacritic average.

However, as far as consensus is concerned, i can only look at the data i have on hand, and critics do like these games. The same critics vote on the Geoff awards, so i stand by my statement that the games were well received.
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Just an anecdote, about recent OW2, publisher( or game's PR)gave free early codes to reviewers/influencers, even ones in my country, small ones with like 6k subs yt channel, those 3 guys who run that tiny yt/twitch channel praised that game big time in their podcast/2h stream(ofc ~30min of char creation, to kill time) only 1 of those 3 guys finished game solid few weeks after launch and funny enough thats the guy who said game has tons of flaws(and u can easily complete it in 50h w/o rushing at all).

Now the question arises- were those 2 others actually honest in praising game then after few weeks not even finishing it(which they admited 2weeks later since their podcast is bi-weekly), or they didnt wanna destroy relationship with publisher simply, and only honest one was the one who pointed out tons of game's flaws but finished it despite of them- he still liked the game but he gave his genuine opinion not ommiting negative stuff :)

My personal opinion is -some of those professional reviewers who give 80, 90 or even higher metascores genuinely like those games, but its very likely that majority of them are simply sellouts w/o any kind of morals and praise many games+give them way overinflated scores coz their jobs/living depends on keeping friendly relationsip with publishers :)

I remember days of paper magazines in the 90s and early 2000s, and ppl who wrote reviews/articles in those, usualy late teens/early 20s guys making lowest possible or very close to lowest possible salary, working crazy hours and doing overtime work, like 48h no sleep challenge just so review/guide for particular new game comes out on time- otherwise it would have to be month late- those were true passionate ppl who gave their soul to the job, not majority of current day reviewers :P

And last but not least, lets look at actual GOTY nominee, kcd2- 88meta on all 3 platforms, and whats even more impressive 8,7 user score, aka u can tell game got 0 brownie points for wokeness or being published by big mofo publisher- it genuinely deserved that score.
8,7 userscore is extremly high, just for comparision cp2077 had only 7,3(expack 8,8-cpdr redeemed themselfs not only releasing high quality and with tons of content expack but reworking/improving base game/its systems/fixing quests/bugs, adding pt and such) and this years undisputed future goty(exp 33) has 9,7 userscore, nuff said ;)

Quick comparision:
2024 goty- astrobot= 9,1 userscore
2023 BG3= 9,2
2022 ER= 8,3 only- here i got no clue why, maybe casuals reviewbombed it lol?
2021 ITT = 8,9
2020 TLOU2 -5,8 (cant even be mad coz of that, cuckman did it to himself, i was just as pissed as at least 50% of first TLOU fanbase).
2019 sekiro= 8,9
2018 GoW =9,0
2017 BoTW= 8,9
2016 Overwatch=6,6(lool, but no clue if back in 2016 it wasnt much higher, it likely was ;p)
2015 W3 = 9,1
2014 DA:I = 6.1 (first time award was given, and year was slow af :P)
 
Doom was ok but worse than eternal and 2016, Indy I only played the first hour, its a good but not great game, the rest is trash IMHO.
 
descent games (except for COD...ive hated that game for years)....I really liked indiana jones, south of midnight and doom.... havent really gotten into avaowed yet becasue of my back loh.....havent played outer worlds 2 because i still have the first one in my backlog. am I supposed to discard my experience with them because they got never nominated for GOTY, or is it ok that i PERSONALLY just liked them. not every game is gonna be a genre redifining experience. sometimes they are just good games. should that not be enough sometimes?
 
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Denton said:
I finished the first three.

Indy - 8.5
Avowed - 7
South of Midnight - 7

Yeah, none are GOTY material.

I think inXile and Playground could make GOTY nominee, maybe Obsidian if they rehired Avellone and all the rest that made New Vegas and were given proper budget.
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Not in this day and age...if it doesnt give you an over the shoulder '4D experience' with lesbian teens...'challenging our ' perceptions of things.... and some guy named drucknal heading it..... gamers are not impressed.
 
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Did anyone honestly expect any different? If ain't a "cinematic third person movie-game" or tugging on the nostalgia strings, Geoff Keighley couldn't give less of a fuck. With that said, to be fair to Keighley this year, Microsoft's output has been pretty average this entire generation, and this year is the poster child of it - so it's not like there's an obvious snub in there to get all worked up over.

Indiana Jones was their best game this year by far - and it's still niche as fuck. It'll be the "hidden gem" of choice for YouTubers in a few years, the same way as Alice: Madness Returns or Escape from Butcher Bay is today. Great game that finally unseats Fate of Atlantis for best Indiana Jones game. Avowed and Outer Worlds 2 were fine and South of Midnight was ok. I didn't finish any of them because I got bored, but they're all totally fine. Doom: The Dark Ages was the only misfire in my eyes - though I do have to give credit for its technical achievements, and for it's steadfastness in trying to innovate, even though I think it really missed the mark with its gameplay changes. Haven't played Call of Duty Black Ops 7 at all, but the OT seems to have positive things to say, so I imagine it's overall fine.

Not sure there's much else to say here - Microsoft didn't put out a game I consider to be a Game of the Year contender at all. Dune: Awakening and Arc Raiders are my picks this year - both are incredible - but I expect Expedition 33 to sweep. It's the best Final Fantasy since Square Enix stopped making actual Final Fantasy games. It's a super well made game, with my only real issues stemming from Unreal Engine 5, rather than the game itself.
 
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Did anyone honestly expect any different? If ain't a "cinematic third person movie-game" or tugging on the nostalgia strings, Geoff Keighley couldn't give less of a fuck.
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I think this is true.

I dont agree with the notion that a game must have good story for it to be good.

Especially when "good" game stories are bottom of the barrel stuff.
 
I have the feeling Indiana would have been received better if MS would not be its publisher. Kinda like Guardians of the Galaxy where Avenger prevented any hype. MS is in a negativity hole right now and nothing can escape that.
 
Once you go corpo, there is no going back.

People in charge now are the kind that says they "Always enjoy gaming, and how close it birngs us" and then sit at the decision making table and start ordering more mtx, woke pandering and how to keep the "player engagement" at a maximum.

The creative minds that put Xbox on the spotlight are no longer there, and the current idiots are not leaving because it makes a lot of money for them.
 
I zero-interest in Call of Duty so I cannot comment on that quality of Black Ops 7 but I do own and have played the other 5 games listed in the opening post on Steam (PC). None of those games are bad with Outer Worlds 2 and Indiana Jones and the Great Circle being the best ones. Not game of the year quality but still very good in my opinion with many hours of enjoyment had from both. Avowed is a weird one for me; I played a lot of it and mostly enjoyed my time with it but it was a completely forgettable experience and I'm struggling to remember anything about the story or setting.
 
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