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Microsoft Studios' creative director has some choice words about always-online
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Coulomb_Barrier
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I have.
There's a timer on the warning, whereby if you don't select that you want these updates to be postponed by 10 mins/1 hour/2 hour/4 hours etc it shuts your computer down to install them.
Can happen when you're busy.
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MeisaMcCaffrey
Media picking up things from GAF isn't our problem. We were discussing a sensitive issue and many sites chose to report on it because it was a valid matter and something that could very well shape the future of our industry. People shouldn't feel bad for Orth; he should have been more responsible with his comments. Even though it was his personal account, disrespecting customers and dismissing their concerns reflects badly on the company that employed him. He could be fired for that very reason.
That was excellent. Personally, I love both his real (Jerry) and fake (Francis) persona.
Hahaha... are you for real? Take yourself pretty seriously, huh?
Katana_Strikes
Member
Holy crap! I didn't even catch his comments on the vacuum cleaner and mobile phone analogy. Unfortunately that's part of life/technology limitations. Unless you have a battery powered vacuum. Though maybe if he's getting spotty reception on his mobile he should move to another city. How ironic!
What MS will be doing, there are offline alternatives for, where those "always on" complication don't affect it. However, it's a problem MS will be creating by doing such a stupid move, so they can control and watch over everything you're doing.
What MS will be doing, there are offline alternatives for, where those "always on" complication don't affect it. However, it's a problem MS will be creating by doing such a stupid move, so they can control and watch over everything you're doing.
GribbleGrunger
Dreams in Digital
Yes, I am 'for real.' This isn't Twitter, and I do occasionally take myself seriously when I realise I'm not being the person I would like to be.
Worse - it's a video game forum.
educator
Member
His real name is Steven Williams, but I take it you mean Jessy (the patriotic 'merican character he portrays)? There is no Jerry..
GribbleGrunger
Dreams in Digital
LOL.
Katana_Strikes
Member
and electricity and phone bills. Guess he's just gonna have to deal with it, just like everyone else.
perineumlick
Member
The problem isn't GAF; people need to be accountable of their own actions. Social media has embolden some to express themselves in ways that weren't possible before, and those who can't govern themselves responsibly will always struggle with the medium. I have no sympathy for those who lack the sensitivity and common sense to think before they speak.
What a load of BS.
Did anyone here except for maybe diehard MS loyalist or maybe employees asking him to be fired? I don't recall it but please list names if you want to but don't act like they represent all of GAF.
Now, the man made some pretty disgusting remark which resulted in us mocking him. That much is true but what does he expect when he mocked the very customers he supposed to respect in the first place? Not to mention he was defending an anti-consumer tactic which may or may not be used in the future by the company he works for. Are you asking us not to draw attention as to how undesirable that is? No, thank you!
What follows next is out of our hands. We just pointed out how unsavory his attitude towards the customers and how undesirable it is to not be able to play games you've purchase unless you're online. The media then picked up on it and things snowballed from it. Even if someone demanded that he got fired, we have no power over the final decision. You know who does? Microsoft. You want to be high and mighty about this and become internet white knight? Why don't YOU express this concern to Microsoft who actually has the final and absolute say in this?
Since when did it become the case that when a grown man suffers the consequences for his own poor choices the people who should feel guilty are the people who brought attention to those choices.
An adult is responsible for their own actions, no one else's and no one else is.
An adult is responsible for their own actions, no one else's and no one else is.
Twilight Gap
Member
I do agree. I couldn't help but find the memes and videos amusing, but I still feel bad knowing that we're essentially mocking somebody who most likely just lost their career. Everybody has their share of screw ups, and he probably would have been in hot water for those without us helping it along. But you and I both pointed out that the real issue was first and foremost the rumor of the system. Mr. Orth was unfortunately on the receiving end of that frustration, but there's no point to continue this investigation or belittle the man.
Going further would defeat the whole purpose of calling him out for the comments he made in the first place. He dun goofed and he was reprimanded. Case closed.
He made a mistake. We called him out on it. He's facing the consequences. That isn't the problem.
The problem is we're still mocking him as if he's the scummiest scum on the planet when that issue was long resolved.
Microsoft should too, in this case.
Mengy
wishes it were bannable to say mean things about Marvel
Wow, I actually like him being himself more than in character. That was well spoken and very honest. He also makes a great point.
He didn't "lose" his credibility. He threw it away. Nothing to feel sorry for.
Yeah, his Francis character also made good points, which made a little hesitant to admit it, but when he's himself he is a great spokesperson for his viewpoints...
Eh, I see a lot of people already accepting all the bullshit. In the end, gamers still buy Sim City and Diablo in droves.
Twilight Gap
Member
This guy is pretty cool.
Twilight Gap
Member
The point is, it's over.
Now if we see him in 6 weeks and he's saying more nonsense online somewhere, you can forget all this and say as you will. But after a shitstorm this big, the guy needs to recollect.
As far as I'm concerned, he's disarmed.
EDIT: Wow, didn't think this thread would slow down enough for me to double post :/
AdventureRacing
Member
Oh come on. I'd say he's doing quite well for himself and will be fine after this whole incident (even if he gets fired). I have little sympathy even if that wasn't the case. If you post stupid shit like that onto a completely open platform like twitter you better be ready to accept the consequences. It's a pretty easy situation to avoid.
Nobody is treating him like the scummiest scum on the earth. He made a stupid mistake and people are having fun mocking him for it. That's basically how the internet works and there's no point expecting an exception to be made for someone.
ScepticMatt
Member
it is now
Too small city, not enough land to fit server buildings and neither of the neighboring cities care about the internet.
Advertising revenue.
I'm not sure if this has been mentioned - I haven't read the entire thread, although much of it - but in this situation, anyone falling foul of Microsoft and getting a ban is possibly going to lose access to their entire console for the duration of the ban. Maybe they wouldn't handle it that way, but it's conceivable. Always online gives them that power.
You're projecting too much of your past experiences. Look at that the threads that were spawned from this one. Every single one of them is either demanding for answers from MS, bashing always online in the same breadth of offering a "balanced discussion" and mocking MS customer service over the past few years.
The overwhelming majority of posts in this thread and those were concerned first and foremost with MS denouncing always online even though it is a rumor for now.
Very few comments were made about Orr getting fired and those that did amounted to it's unlikely he'll escape making this mistake or he set himself up for this and deserves his fate. I doubt you can count the number of posters who wanted him fired beyond one hand even though this thread is over 9,000.
cyberheater
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Another interesting point and another reason not to get that machine of the rumours are true.
Interestingly though, you are dealing with it. The success of Steam is the reason why Microsoft is going this route (and close ties with EA no doubt).
Twilight Gap
Member
Well, I'm not interested in changing the internet. I know his mistakes and I was at the forefront of the mockery, but now that's passed. I don't want to leave this this thread and then complain about similar circumstances elsewhere. There are few things worse than a hypocrite.
It's okay if people disagree with me. I don't owe him anything, but it'd only be a personal disappointment for me if I were to continue to rub salt in the wound. Think of it as... trying to sleep peacefully
Everything he said in this video I agree with fully.
If he got fired it was his own damn fault. When you work for a company and you say things you better realize in many ways people will perceive you as speaking for the people you work for and the effects can get you fired should they reflect poorly on you. It's happened to other people in other fields before, the guy is not exempt from that.
Your words, your consequences.
Or to put it in another way:
Your words, your consequences.
Or to put it in another way:
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
Banned
Personally I think he did neither. He didn't confirm nor deny always online, just that he didn't see the big deal with always online. He more or less insulted people living in small rural places, but that was more of a snarky riposte to something he obviously didn't have an answer to, not something to be taken seriously. All of his other posts just show some elitism/insensitivity but you can hardly demand people to be socialist.
Fantastic.
Online games go down where there are server outages! Who knew!
Luckily this doesn't happen when you are playing BioShock infinite. It continues on just like all single player games should whether you are online or not.
Insta subscribed. I honestly didn't know that "Francis" was a made up persona. This follow up video is brilliant, it addresses the problem and breaks down one by one why it is detrimental for gamers and Microsoft. Subscribed to his channel.
Strickland
Member
This had made me feel so.much.better it said everything I wanted to say.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2WZhJccOMs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2WZhJccOMs
Katana_Strikes
Member
Ima watch that later, but his rage video was one of the funniest I've seen in a while and he STILL made great points. Not that it's difficult when the offender makes such a shitty argument and says those stupid things in the first place mind.
If he was fired, I dont think any of us would be surprised. Am I happy about it no, but I sure as hell ain't sad either.
In the games industry (and of course elsewhere), people are made redundant all the time through no fault of their own. He opened his mouth talking about what most likely is a future (crappy) MS policy and doing it in a pretty arrogant way towards possible future customers. So this guy deserves no sympathy, lets save it for those that do deserve it.
I am sure after this, some idiotic journalists will sit there and try to blame the entitled gamer. Was this story picked up by forums such as GAF, yes. However, even if his comments were not seen by the public, the outcome would have still been the same as you can bet one of his colleagues would have seen them and reported it. That would have been enough to seal his fate.
The only question left if his firing is true, is where will he end up next. I just cannot see one single major developer employing him, not after this shitstorm.
In the games industry (and of course elsewhere), people are made redundant all the time through no fault of their own. He opened his mouth talking about what most likely is a future (crappy) MS policy and doing it in a pretty arrogant way towards possible future customers. So this guy deserves no sympathy, lets save it for those that do deserve it.
I am sure after this, some idiotic journalists will sit there and try to blame the entitled gamer. Was this story picked up by forums such as GAF, yes. However, even if his comments were not seen by the public, the outcome would have still been the same as you can bet one of his colleagues would have seen them and reported it. That would have been enough to seal his fate.
The only question left if his firing is true, is where will he end up next. I just cannot see one single major developer employing him, not after this shitstorm.
EatChildren
Currently polling second in Australia's federal election (first in the Gold Coast), this feral may one day be your Bogan King.
I firmly believe no company should dictate employment and judge performance based on the behavior of someone's personal life. But this assumes the personal life does not cross streams with the business. Twitter and other social networking services, made entirely public on the most advanced communication network in human existence, are death traps in the hands of people who do not appreciate nor understand the damage they can do. You cannot advertise your position within a company, then argue for your company, in a condescending and rude manner, and expect no repercussions. As soon as you start speaking as a face of a company, you are the face of that company, and will be judged by the company accordingly.
Unfortunate if he lost his job, irrespective of what he said. But he really should have known better.
Unfortunate if he lost his job, irrespective of what he said. But he really should have known better.
Katana_Strikes
Member
That guy has the DC Samba De Amigo. He gets full kudos points from me by default.
fabricated backlash
Member
No, bans would be issued for online play only, they'd still want you exposed to all the advertisement and buyable content.